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Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 21:01 pm
by scoutyjones2
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:59 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:56 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:54 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:50 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:48 pm
Do you think Winn fears JJ taking his SS position?
He should
No different than any player.
But Winn is a 3+ fWAR player the last 2 years. Those don’t grow on trees. And he’s only 23 years old.
JJ is 23 years old. Played college, top draft pick. Lighting up AAA and has power
I know who JJ is. He’ll be our starting 2B. And I’m looking forward to the WW combination of Winn and Wetherholt up the middle.
Waste at 2b. Winn should be moved, along with Hurdy Gurdy
Why the heck is he a waste at 2B? If anything 2B is less of an offensive position than SS and Wetherholt isn’t a good defensive SS (he’s average), while I’m sure he’d be better at 2B. So you’d have a guy that would be one of the best 2B in the game and a SS that would be one of the best defensive SS in baseball.
You trade Winn before his knee and arm are done, and get a RH bat from the Athletics
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 21:02 pm
by vegascardsfan5890
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 21:01 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:59 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:56 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:54 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:50 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:48 pm
Do you think Winn fears JJ taking his SS position?
He should
No different than any player.
But Winn is a 3+ fWAR player the last 2 years. Those don’t grow on trees. And he’s only 23 years old.
JJ is 23 years old. Played college, top draft pick. Lighting up AAA and has power
I know who JJ is. He’ll be our starting 2B. And I’m looking forward to the WW combination of Winn and Wetherholt up the middle.
Waste at 2b. Winn should be moved, along with Hurdy Gurdy
Why the heck is he a waste at 2B? If anything 2B is less of an offensive position than SS and Wetherholt isn’t a good defensive SS (he’s average), while I’m sure he’d be better at 2B. So you’d have a guy that would be one of the best 2B in the game and a SS that would be one of the best defensive SS in baseball.
You trade Winn before his knee and arm are done, and get a RH bat from the Athletics
Would you rather take Winn or Volpe over the next 10 years?
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 21:03 pm
by scoutyjones2
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 21:02 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 21:01 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:59 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:56 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:54 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:50 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:48 pm
Do you think Winn fears JJ taking his SS position?
He should
No different than any player.
But Winn is a 3+ fWAR player the last 2 years. Those don’t grow on trees. And he’s only 23 years old.
JJ is 23 years old. Played college, top draft pick. Lighting up AAA and has power
I know who JJ is. He’ll be our starting 2B. And I’m looking forward to the WW combination of Winn and Wetherholt up the middle.
Waste at 2b. Winn should be moved, along with Hurdy Gurdy
Why the heck is he a waste at 2B? If anything 2B is less of an offensive position than SS and Wetherholt isn’t a good defensive SS (he’s average), while I’m sure he’d be better at 2B. So you’d have a guy that would be one of the best 2B in the game and a SS that would be one of the best defensive SS in baseball.
You trade Winn before his knee and arm are done, and get a RH bat from the Athletics
Would you rather take Winn or Volpe over the next 10 years?
Neither. I want JJ at SS, send Winn-mill to another team for a RH OF bat
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 21:07 pm
by RunSup
Youboughtit wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:48 pm
RunSup wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:37 pm
Just messing this while waiting for the Cardinals to score a run or Mo to make a trade
Subtraction Assumptions
Traded or signed elsewhere
RP Helsley RH
RP Maton RH
RP Matz LH
Traded
RP Romero LH
RP King LH
3B Arenado RH
2026 Cardinals
C Pages. RH
C Pozo RH / Crooks LH
1B Contreras RH
2B Wetherholt LH
3B Gorman LH
SS Winn RH
Util Saggese RH
OF Nootbar LH
CF Scott LH
RF Walker RH
1B / LF Herrera RH
1B / OF Burleson LH
OF / IF Donovan LH
CF TBD (Church?)
SP Gray RH
SP Liberatore LH
SP Pallante RH
SP McGreevy RH
SP TBD
SP/RP TBD
RP O'Brien RH
RP Leahy RH
RP Granillo RH
RP Svanson RH
RP Graceffo RH
RP TBD LH
RP TBD LH
RP TBD
Minors / TBD
SP Matthews LH
RP Fernandez RH
RP Thompson LH
SP Doyle LH
SP Hernandez RH
C Bernal RH
CF / OF Church LH
OF Baez RH
OF Davis LH
...
SP / RP Bedell RH
SP / RP Hence RH
That’s what a $75m roster looks like. 13 position players is all they will have and you have 14 without Aranado who I beleive will be here. So Segesse and Crooks to AAA. Still missing the 35/100 MOTO superstar to anchor the lineup and make it fall into place. .500 if they add a TOR SP from FA and that bat. Otherwise 70 wins
I was looking for a backup CF. That has to be Nootbar. Church would be the next man up. Otherwise stuck with a Hampson or Fermin clogging the roster. Saggese has a spot as util, unless Donovan is the backup SS too.
Yes. Need a MOTO bat, A FOTR starter, and Back of the bullpen shutdown relievers.
Maybe Zach Thompson recovers to be a LHRP option in 2026 But a lot of holes to fill that the system won't have answers for til 2027... at best.
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 21:26 pm
by rightthinker4
RunSup wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:37 pm
Just messing this while waiting for the Cardinals to score a run or Mo to make a trade
Subtraction Assumptions
Traded or signed elsewhere
RP Helsley RH
RP Maton RH
RP Matz LH
Traded
RP Romero LH
RP King LH
3B Arenado RH
2026 Cardinals
C Pages. RH
C Pozo RH / Crooks LH
1B Contreras RH
2B Wetherholt LH
3B Gorman LH
SS Winn RH
Util Saggese RH
OF Nootbar LH
CF Scott LH
RF Walker RH
1B / LF Herrera RH
1B / OF Burleson LH
OF / IF Donovan LH
CF TBD (Church?)
SP Gray RH
SP Liberatore LH
SP Pallante RH
SP McGreevy RH
SP TBD
SP/RP TBD
RP O'Brien RH
RP Leahy RH
RP Granillo RH
RP Svanson RH
RP Graceffo RH
RP TBD LH
RP TBD LH
RP TBD
Minors / TBD
SP Matthews LH
RP Fernandez RH
RP Thompson LH
SP Doyle LH
SP Hernandez RH
C Bernal RH
CF / OF Church LH
OF Baez RH
OF Davis LH
...
SP / RP Bedell RH
SP / RP Hence RH
MO likes to deal closer to the deadline. A lot of low hanging fruit just there for the taking, that everybody else passed on.
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 21:29 pm
by DickyBennett
What a sad roster you laid out
I hope Bloom is aggressive
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 21:40 pm
by RunSup
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 21:29 pm
What a sad roster you laid out
I hope Bloom is aggressive
Well they should pay me more to be the GM and I'll do a better job. I'll take half of Mo's salary.
But yes. This is what Bloom starts with. Let's see what he does.
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 22:16 pm
by Youboughtit
RunSup wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 21:07 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:48 pm
RunSup wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:37 pm
Just messing this while waiting for the Cardinals to score a run or Mo to make a trade
Subtraction Assumptions
Traded or signed elsewhere
RP Helsley RH
RP Maton RH
RP Matz LH
Traded
RP Romero LH
RP King LH
3B Arenado RH
2026 Cardinals
C Pages. RH
C Pozo RH / Crooks LH
1B Contreras RH
2B Wetherholt LH
3B Gorman LH
SS Winn RH
Util Saggese RH
OF Nootbar LH
CF Scott LH
RF Walker RH
1B / LF Herrera RH
1B / OF Burleson LH
OF / IF Donovan LH
CF TBD (Church?)
SP Gray RH
SP Liberatore LH
SP Pallante RH
SP McGreevy RH
SP TBD
SP/RP TBD
RP O'Brien RH
RP Leahy RH
RP Granillo RH
RP Svanson RH
RP Graceffo RH
RP TBD LH
RP TBD LH
RP TBD
Minors / TBD
SP Matthews LH
RP Fernandez RH
RP Thompson LH
SP Doyle LH
SP Hernandez RH
C Bernal RH
CF / OF Church LH
OF Baez RH
OF Davis LH
...
SP / RP Bedell RH
SP / RP Hence RH
That’s what a $75m roster looks like. 13 position players is all they will have and you have 14 without Aranado who I beleive will be here. So Segesse and Crooks to AAA. Still missing the 35/100 MOTO superstar to anchor the lineup and make it fall into place. .500 if they add a TOR SP from FA and that bat. Otherwise 70 wins
I was looking for a backup CF. That has to be Nootbar. Church would be the next man up. Otherwise stuck with a Hampson or Fermin clogging the roster. Saggese has a spot as util, unless Donovan is the backup SS too.
Yes. Need a MOTO bat, A FOTR starter, and Back of the bullpen shutdown relievers.
Maybe Zach Thompson recovers to be a LHRP option in 2026 But a lot of holes to fill that the system won't have answers for til 2027... at best.
Wetherholt will be backup SS. In a perfect world Arenado would be traded to add a RP. 2 birds with one stone. Then Helsley returns a SP. with Arenado gone Gorman to 3B and Segesse as backup. The logjam is OF. Scott in CF means LF/RF has Donovan Walker Nootbar Burleson. One of them needs traded. I just have no faith those moves get made to fix the bad roster construction.
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 22:17 pm
by ecleme22
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:48 pm
Do you think Winn fears JJ taking his SS position?
He should
No.
Classic Scouty for [shirt] talking Winn
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 22:21 pm
by Goldfan
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:48 pm
Do you think Winn fears JJ taking his SS position?
He should
I think Winn fears having his double dangling earrings ripped from his earlobes at the same time by a wayward seagull from the Mississippi
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 22:22 pm
by scoutyjones2
ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 22:17 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:48 pm
Do you think Winn fears JJ taking his SS position?
He should
No.
Classic Scouty for [shirt] talking Winn
The bait was gulped and swallowed whole.
Thanks for playing your part
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 22:24 pm
by scoutyjones2
Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 22:21 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:48 pm
Do you think Winn fears JJ taking his SS position?
He should
I think Winn fears having his double dangling earrings ripped from his earlobes at the same time by a wayward seagull from the Mississippi
The chain is why he's bad at stealing bases...slows him down and like a cat wearing a bell...gives away his move
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 22:25 pm
by Goldfan
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 22:24 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 22:21 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:48 pm
Do you think Winn fears JJ taking his SS position?
He should
I think Winn fears having his double dangling earrings ripped from his earlobes at the same time by a wayward seagull from the Mississippi
The chain is why he's bad at stealing bases...slows him down and like a cat wearing a bell...gives away his move
Don’t get me started on the chains…..
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 22:30 pm
by cardsrmyteam
RunSup wrote: ↑29 Jul 2025 20:47 pm
Yep.
+1000
Another year with an empty ballpark.
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 22:37 pm
by hmoss859
If they have Gray and Arenado next year, that’s over 50 million in 2 players near end of career
The position player core should be
Wetherholt
Winn
Scott
Contreas
Herrera
Crooks
Donovan
Pitchers
Liberatore
McGreevey
Pallante
O’Brien
That’s it folks!
Players who have value and 3 of the 4 should be dealt to get pitching pitching and more pitching
Burleson
Gorman
Nootbaar
Walker
I assume Helsley, Matz, Maton and Romero are gone via trade
Re: 2026 Cardinals
Posted: 29 Jul 2025 22:41 pm
by Bad14
That's your outfield? That's a bad defense for a softball team.