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imadangman wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:46 am

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:40 am

45s wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:37 am

imadangman wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:25 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:06 am

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 09:54 am The Cardinals should be open to trading their pending free agents to anybody, including the Cubs and the Brewers. That means all 3 relievers with contracts ending.

Cutting off 2 teams out of the market for these players just because they are in the division is silly.

This seems completely obvious. But just had to get that off my chest.

Or with the Reds, who are only 1 game back of the 3rd WC spot and with starters like Abbott, Burns, Greene (if he came back healthy), Lodolo, etc. could really be set up for a playoff run.

Reds could use 2B/3B, and 1B help. Would Contreras waive his NTC? Or Donovan help?

Trading key fan favorite players with more control after this season to in division teams? Might as well just move the team to Nashville at that point.

Would you rather lose with a “fan favorite “…….or improve the club and return to being successful?

+1. "Fan favorites" come and go. Winning teams are what build legacy.

Trading Contreras or Brendan Donovan to the Reds? I get the game is different but that isn't going to happen. Teams do trade in division but not with players on that level.

The Red Sox traded Verdugo to the Yankees coming off of a .745 OPS season/2.7 bWAR season. That’s not far off what Donovan (.780/2.4) is right now. And the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry is a bit more than the Cardinals/Reds. Cards traded for Quintana from the Pirates. Cubs traded for Aramis Ramirez from the Pirates years ago. It does happen.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:52 am

imadangman wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:46 am

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:40 am

45s wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:37 am

imadangman wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:25 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:06 am

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 09:54 am The Cardinals should be open to trading their pending free agents to anybody, including the Cubs and the Brewers. That means all 3 relievers with contracts ending.

Cutting off 2 teams out of the market for these players just because they are in the division is silly.

This seems completely obvious. But just had to get that off my chest.

Or with the Reds, who are only 1 game back of the 3rd WC spot and with starters like Abbott, Burns, Greene (if he came back healthy), Lodolo, etc. could really be set up for a playoff run.

Reds could use 2B/3B, and 1B help. Would Contreras waive his NTC? Or Donovan help?

Trading key fan favorite players with more control after this season to in division teams? Might as well just move the team to Nashville at that point.

Would you rather lose with a “fan favorite “…….or improve the club and return to being successful?

+1. "Fan favorites" come and go. Winning teams are what build legacy.

Trading Contreras or Brendan Donovan to the Reds? I get the game is different but that isn't going to happen. Teams do trade in division but not with players on that level.

The Red Sox traded Verdugo to the Yankees coming off of a .745 OPS season/2.7 bWAR season. That’s not far off what Donovan (.780/2.4) is right now. And the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry is a bit more than the Cardinals/Reds. Cards traded for Quintana from the Pirates. Cubs traded for Aramis Ramirez from the Pirates years ago. It does happen.

Good work on the examples but I just don't see those as similar cases.

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 09:54 am The Cardinals should be open to trading their pending free agents to anybody, including the Cubs and the Brewers. That means all 3 relievers with contracts ending.

Cutting off 2 teams out of the market for these players just because they are in the division is silly.

This seems completely obvious. But just had to get that off my chest.

Yes especially since players we would trade should be older and won’t impact us in a couple of years. However if they traded them Donovan or Winn I would have an issue with that.

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:38 am Who cares about trading in division, this idea should have died years ago.

What a fear-based mode of operation.

Who cares if a former Cardinals plays for a division rival.

It works both ways people.

Yep, before free agency it kinda made sense. The reserve clause meant teams basically owned the players and trading within the division meant seeing, and potentially getting beat by, that player for years.

imadangman wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:25 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:06 am

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 09:54 am The Cardinals should be open to trading their pending free agents to anybody, including the Cubs and the Brewers. That means all 3 relievers with contracts ending.

Cutting off 2 teams out of the market for these players just because they are in the division is silly.

This seems completely obvious. But just had to get that off my chest.

Or with the Reds, who are only 1 game back of the 3rd WC spot and with starters like Abbott, Burns, Greene (if he came back healthy), Lodolo, etc. could really be set up for a playoff run.

Reds could use 2B/3B, and 1B help. Would Contreras waive his NTC? Or Donovan help?

Trading key fan favorite players with more control after this season to in division teams? Might as well just move the team to Nashville at that point.

Does it mean the same in the balanced schedule times?

That and the attention span of cats.
Many people will need to be reminded a player
was once in the organization.

imadangman wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:23 am

JDW wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:12 am Arenado's lack of power in STL would possibly get a boost in Milwaukee's home stadium, or Wrigley for that matter. Don't know if he'd accept either, but I'll volunteer to come get him and drive him to either place with a trunk full of Cardinal money. Heck, make it a bed full of STL money if we take the truck. Wait, got a bigger business truck with a 18' trailer and 3 axles. We're talking pallets of moola now.
Free shipping would be my contribution. Plenty of room for a BP guy to tag along. I'll buy them lunch at the truck stops, well, within reasons obviously, you know, a dog, some chips and a drink. OK, and a candy bar, geesh.

Are you giving him a scenic ride

There’s a scenic ride to Cincinnati? Who knew?

butsir01 wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 11:04 am

imadangman wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:23 am

JDW wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:12 am Arenado's lack of power in STL would possibly get a boost in Milwaukee's home stadium, or Wrigley for that matter. Don't know if he'd accept either, but I'll volunteer to come get him and drive him to either place with a trunk full of Cardinal money. Heck, make it a bed full of STL money if we take the truck. Wait, got a bigger business truck with a 18' trailer and 3 axles. We're talking pallets of moola now.
Free shipping would be my contribution. Plenty of room for a BP guy to tag along. I'll buy them lunch at the truck stops, well, within reasons obviously, you know, a dog, some chips and a drink. OK, and a candy bar, geesh.

Are you giving him a scenic ride

There’s a scenic ride to Cincinnati? Who knew?

This post was about milwaukee and chicago. So maybe they can take the Illinois River route for a bit. If they're going to Cincinnati I guess 64 is nice through Indiana. Or maybe they want to take US-50 and then 150 on through Paoli.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:02 am Franchise is on an island right now.

Any move that can improve the team for the future.

It will be years before the Cardinals are relevant again.

Well put. I agree, take the best offer regardless of division.

ONLY if their offer blows away other teams.

If offers are equal, then no way you strengthen the scubs, Brewers or Reds.

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:13 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:06 am

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 09:54 am The Cardinals should be open to trading their pending free agents to anybody, including the Cubs and the Brewers. That means all 3 relievers with contracts ending.

Cutting off 2 teams out of the market for these players just because they are in the division is silly.

This seems completely obvious. But just had to get that off my chest.

Or with the Reds, who are only 1 game back of the 3rd WC spot and with starters like Abbott, Burns, Greene (if he came back healthy), Lodolo, etc. could really be set up for a playoff run.

Reds could use 2B/3B, and 1B help. Would Contreras waive his NTC? Or Donovan help?

Agreed on the Reds being right there in the wild card hunt and potential trade partners.

I am too used to leaving them out. They are changing the equation.

RE:
TERRY FRANCONA

(Nice job Dewitt you idiot, he begged for this job after TLR left and you passed letting Mo hire three stooges)

A scenic ride???

That might require a trip way out West in my view, but I'm only available for transport within the NLC. Ok, I'll add KC and Denver, lol.

More seriously, I'm a fan of Arenado, who HAS BEEN a great player even w/o any postseason success, but his time in the Lou no longer has much hope left in the tank. Possibly he could have a chance at a ring if he agreed to go elsewhere. A lot of players would salivate at that chance, and both the Cubs and Brewers have legit chances this October.
If I'm the Cards, sending along pallets of money to expediate any chance of moving forward more efficiently w/o Arenado could be a win-win.

butsir01 wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 11:04 am

imadangman wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:23 am

JDW wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:12 am Arenado's lack of power in STL would possibly get a boost in Milwaukee's home stadium, or Wrigley for that matter. Don't know if he'd accept either, but I'll volunteer to come get him and drive him to either place with a trunk full of Cardinal money. Heck, make it a bed full of STL money if we take the truck. Wait, got a bigger business truck with a 18' trailer and 3 axles. We're talking pallets of moola now.
Free shipping would be my contribution. Plenty of room for a BP guy to tag along. I'll buy them lunch at the truck stops, well, within reasons obviously, you know, a dog, some chips and a drink. OK, and a candy bar, geesh.

Are you giving him a scenic ride

There’s a scenic ride to Cincinnati? Who knew?

A southern route through Shawnee Nat'l Forest would be pretty nice.

AnExParrot wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 12:11 pm

butsir01 wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 11:04 am

imadangman wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:23 am

JDW wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:12 am Arenado's lack of power in STL would possibly get a boost in Milwaukee's home stadium, or Wrigley for that matter. Don't know if he'd accept either, but I'll volunteer to come get him and drive him to either place with a trunk full of Cardinal money. Heck, make it a bed full of STL money if we take the truck. Wait, got a bigger business truck with a 18' trailer and 3 axles. We're talking pallets of moola now.
Free shipping would be my contribution. Plenty of room for a BP guy to tag along. I'll buy them lunch at the truck stops, well, within reasons obviously, you know, a dog, some chips and a drink. OK, and a candy bar, geesh.

Are you giving him a scenic ride

There’s a scenic ride to Cincinnati? Who knew?

A southern route through Shawnee Nat'l Forest would be pretty nice.

Hmmm, so to Cahokia and down route 3? I ain't taking the big truck then, guess the extended cab Ram should suffice. Only a 5 or 6' bed, so going to need bigger bills. Still plenty of room for a BP guy and some gear. Guess we'll cross the river at Cairo. Heck, might as well throw in some fishing gear. Not the most efficient route for sure.

JDW wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 12:34 pm

AnExParrot wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 12:11 pm

butsir01 wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 11:04 am

imadangman wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:23 am

JDW wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:12 am Arenado's lack of power in STL would possibly get a boost in Milwaukee's home stadium, or Wrigley for that matter. Don't know if he'd accept either, but I'll volunteer to come get him and drive him to either place with a trunk full of Cardinal money. Heck, make it a bed full of STL money if we take the truck. Wait, got a bigger business truck with a 18' trailer and 3 axles. We're talking pallets of moola now.
Free shipping would be my contribution. Plenty of room for a BP guy to tag along. I'll buy them lunch at the truck stops, well, within reasons obviously, you know, a dog, some chips and a drink. OK, and a candy bar, geesh.

Are you giving him a scenic ride

There’s a scenic ride to Cincinnati? Who knew?

A southern route through Shawnee Nat'l Forest would be pretty nice.

Hmmm, so to Cahokia and down route 3? I ain't taking the big truck then, guess the extended cab Ram should suffice. Only a 5 or 6' bed, so going to need bigger bills. Still plenty of room for a BP guy and some gear. Guess we'll cross the river at Cairo. Heck, might as well throw in some fishing gear. Not the most efficient route for sure.

I'd take Bluff Rd. in Columbia, IL south until the Ft. Kaskaskia/Pierre Menard home area and figure it out from there. A really cool mausoleum/cemetery up on the bluffs out that way.

https://www.gershphoto.com/eagle-cliff- ... mausoleum/

The reluctance for trading within the division is more for the long term than immediate or short. Obviously, in the division or not, you’re not trading with teams you’re competing with for a playoff spot. However, in the Cardinals case, it would be the Brewers or Cubs who might be more reluctant. A top prospect could come back and haunt them for years. On the other hand, the player the Cards trade might only help for 6 weeks. The Cardinals were willing to deal Oviedo because they were confident he wasn’t much of a risk.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 10:02 am Franchise is on an island right now.

Any move that can improve the team for the future.

It will be years before the Cardinals are relevant again.

Maybe, but, I hope you are wrong on that one.