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Re: Pages drops another fairly easy play at home to open up a huge inning
Posted: 27 Jul 2025 18:09 pm
by jcgmoi
Chadwick Tromp is a FA again after the Orioles outrighted him. Just saying.
Re: Pages drops another fairly easy play at home to open up a huge inning
Posted: 27 Jul 2025 18:21 pm
by dugoutrex
it was a pretty [shirt]ty toss by McGravy
Re: Pages drops another fairly easy play at home to open up a huge inning
Posted: 27 Jul 2025 18:33 pm
by Web7
dugoutrex wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 18:21 pm
it was a pretty [shirt]ty toss by McGravy
No, it wasn’t a good throw but most high school kids can scoop an easy one hopper …. He is a frikin MLB player… that play should be made 10 out of 10 times
Re: Pages drops another fairly easy play at home to open up a huge inning
Posted: 27 Jul 2025 18:46 pm
by Hoosier59
There are better options, their names are Pozo, Herrera, Contreras, and Crooks. Put any of them at catcher and then you add a better bat to the line up, whether it’s at catcher or at the position that the now catcher played. They need to bench Arenado’s while they’re at it. He hasn’t been providing anything lately, not even his usually good defense.
Re: Pages drops another fairly easy play at home to open up a huge inning
Posted: 27 Jul 2025 18:53 pm
by dugoutrex
Web7 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 18:33 pm
dugoutrex wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 18:21 pm
it was a pretty [shirt]ty toss by McGravy
No, it wasn’t a good throw but most high school kids can scoop an easy one hopper …. He is a frikin MLB player… that play should be made 10 out of 10 times
the toss should be made 10/10 times as well or is McGravy not a big leaguer ?
Re: Pages drops another fairly easy play at home to open up a huge inning
Posted: 27 Jul 2025 18:57 pm
by Melville
Yep - Pages should have made that play.
Contreras missed two plays today - and another yesterday.
N/A missed 2 today as well, with balls bouncing off his glove.
Donovan failed to keep a ball on the infield.
Walker made a couple of terrible throws.
Bad day for the defense all around.
They let McGreevy down and half the runs that scored were the result of bad defense.
And that has indeed become very common the last few weeks.
As for Pages/Pozo nothing has changed nor will it.
Pozo has been around for more than a decade and is pushing 30.
It is amusing to see folks jump from one view to another based on their emotions of the day.
I don't.
I do analysis free of bias, free of agenda, and free of emotion.
Yes - Pozo is a better bat.
Yes - he still rates far behind Pages with the glove.
He is scored at -17 rTOT YTD and has thrown out 14% of attempted base stealers.
Pages is rated +1 rTOT and has thrown out 26% - above league average.
Like it or not, Pages is the best option right now - as is made obvious by the fact that he is who pitchers prefer to have behind the plate.
Nothing has changed - all is as I correctly analyzed from the beginning.
He will remain the starter until Crooks arrives, or another catcher is acquired.
Is he a long term starter?
Of course not.
No one has ever said otherwise.
But he is the starter until displaced.
And it won't be Pozo who does so.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
Re: Pages drops another fairly easy play at home to open up a huge inning
Posted: 27 Jul 2025 19:02 pm
by renostl
jcgmoi wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 18:09 pm
Chadwick Tromp is a FA again after the Orioles outrighted him. Just saying.
Cards FO focused on selling relievers.
Cards don't need more catchers IMO.
Just decide with what they have.
Among the current 3 plus what's coming.
Re: Pages drops another fairly easy play at home to open up a huge inning
Posted: 27 Jul 2025 19:18 pm
by renostl
Melville wrote: ↑27 Jul 2025 18:57 pm
Yep - Pages should have made that play.
Contreras missed two plays today - and another yesterday.
N/A missed 2 today as well, with balls bouncing off his glove.
Donovan failed to keep a ball on the infield.
Walker made a couple of terrible throws.
Bad day for the defense all around.
They let McGreevy down and half the runs that scored were the result of bad defense.
And that has indeed become very common the last few weeks.
As for Pages/Pozo nothing has changed nor will it.
Pozo has been around for more than a decade and is pushing 30.
It is amusing to see folks jump from one view to another based on their emotions of the day.
I don't.
I do analysis free of bias, free of agenda, and free of emotion.
Yes - Pozo is a better bat.
Yes - he still rates far behind Pages with the glove.
He is scored at -17 rTOT YTD and has thrown out 14% of attempted base stealers.
Pages is rated +1 rTOT and has thrown out 26% - above league average.
Like it or not, Pages is the best option right now - as is made obvious by the fact that he is who pitchers prefer to have behind the plate.
Nothing has changed - all is as I correctly analyzed from the beginning.
He will remain the starter until Crooks arrives, or another catcher is acquired.
Is he a long term starter?
Of course not.
No one has ever said otherwise.
But he is the starter until displaced.
And it won't be Pozo who does so.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
You are correct for the remainder of 2025, unless one of the 3 are dealt.
Pages is 27. Age irrelevant for what either should be as a 50 game catcher.
What other players did in todays games also irrelevant in regard to Pages.
The difference in their gloves is small at best. What pitchers say in a microphone and
taken as definitive seems below what should be considered as a fact.
2026 we'll see who's here, and neither should be pacing for over 100 games, IMO.