Astros looking for LHH who can play 2B/LF

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Re: Astros looking for LHH who can play 2B/LF

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stlbirdlover wrote: 25 Jul 2025 16:17 pm So you want to send our best player whom is in the prime of his career away. Great way to build for the future!
Yes. He's not the future, to align with the Cards future. But it's got to be a great prospect or MLB player
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Re: Astros looking for LHH who can play 2B/LF

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45s wrote: 25 Jul 2025 14:25 pm
bfib wrote: 25 Jul 2025 14:20 pm We got a pretty good one of those.

What’s a deal for Donnie look like with Houston?
Donovan is the best chip the club has..

Cards need pitching…..but the young pitching the Stros can offer is at least a year or two away…

He will bring a good return from someone…
We have a $100 million payroll next year. There is good pitching available this offseason.
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Some don’t want to trade Donavan….on the premise that he is their best player..

Well…he is their best player this year and the club is struggling to be .500.

A good player surrounded by mediocrity is not as valuable as what he might bring in a trade..

The clock is ticking on team control…..he will never be as valuable in the trade market as he is now.
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Midrange Jay wrote: 25 Jul 2025 18:32 pm
45s wrote: 25 Jul 2025 14:25 pm
bfib wrote: 25 Jul 2025 14:20 pm We got a pretty good one of those.

What’s a deal for Donnie look like with Houston?
Donovan is the best chip the club has..

Cards need pitching…..but the young pitching the Stros can offer is at least a year or two away…

He will bring a good return from someone…
We have a $100 million payroll next year. There is good pitching available this offseason.
Available…..and getting them to come to Stl are two very different issues…
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Re: Astros looking for LHH who can play 2B/LF

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stlbirdlover wrote: 25 Jul 2025 16:17 pm So you want to send our best player whom is in the prime of his career away. Great way to build for the future!
+ 1,000
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45s wrote: 25 Jul 2025 19:43 pm Some don’t want to trade Donavan….on the premise that he is their best player..

Well…he is their best player this year and the club is struggling to be .500.

A good player surrounded by mediocrity is not as valuable as what he might bring in a trade..

The clock is ticking on team control…..he will never be as valuable in the trade market as he is now.
Who’s to say that if he was surrounded by better players, he wouldn’t be a better player? You don’t trade your best player on a player or two who you. “ Hope. “ will be good players! That does sound like something Mo would do though, it would lower the payroll even more!
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Re: Astros looking for LHH who can play 2B/LF

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I’d see if they were interested in Prieto! I’m only slightly kidding!
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Hoosier59 wrote: 25 Jul 2025 20:17 pm
45s wrote: 25 Jul 2025 19:43 pm Some don’t want to trade Donavan….on the premise that he is their best player..

Well…he is their best player this year and the club is struggling to be .500.

A good player surrounded by mediocrity is not as valuable as what he might bring in a trade..

The clock is ticking on team control…..he will never be as valuable in the trade market as he is now.
Who’s to say that if he was surrounded by better players, he wouldn’t be a better player? You don’t trade your best player on a player or two who you. “ Hope. “ will be good players! That does sound like something Mo would do though, it would lower the payroll even more!
It is pretty much how Tampa and MIL do business and it works for them. There are no guarantees in life and dealing Donovan might net two guys who are stars with team control for 6 years. Or might get two or more duds. The point is that Donovan alone can not raise this ship and by the time enough talent arrives he will be gone anyway. But opinions differ.

I do not expect them to trade Donovan anyway. Not the way STL does business. Then again they should have traded Fedde and Helsley last December and didn't and now Fedde has zero value and Helsley less value.
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Depends on the return. Have to be open for business.
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AZ_Cardsfan wrote: 25 Jul 2025 20:30 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: 25 Jul 2025 20:17 pm
45s wrote: 25 Jul 2025 19:43 pm Some don’t want to trade Donavan….on the premise that he is their best player..

Well…he is their best player this year and the club is struggling to be .500.

A good player surrounded by mediocrity is not as valuable as what he might bring in a trade..

The clock is ticking on team control…..he will never be as valuable in the trade market as he is now.
Who’s to say that if he was surrounded by better players, he wouldn’t be a better player? You don’t trade your best player on a player or two who you. “ Hope. “ will be good players! That does sound like something Mo would do though, it would lower the payroll even more!
It is pretty much how Tampa and MIL do business and it works for them. There are no guarantees in life and dealing Donovan might net two guys who are stars with team control for 6 years. Or might get two or more duds. The point is that Donovan alone can not raise this ship and by the time enough talent arrives he will be gone anyway. But opinions differ.

I do not expect them to trade Donovan anyway. Not the way STL does business. Then again they should have traded Fedde and Helsley last December and didn't and now Fedde has zero value and Helsley less value.
I agree, some players should have been moved this off season, it’s just mind boggling how the Cardinals couldn’t see this.
I just don’t agree about Donovan being traded. He doesn’t really do anything great, but he doesn’t do anything poorly either. He has a chance to lead the league in hits and average, and could be in the running for another gold glove, so those aren’t anything to sneeze at!
I’d subtract players not doing their parts, not the ones who are.
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Hoosier59 wrote: 25 Jul 2025 20:38 pm
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: 25 Jul 2025 20:30 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: 25 Jul 2025 20:17 pm
45s wrote: 25 Jul 2025 19:43 pm Some don’t want to trade Donavan….on the premise that he is their best player..

Well…he is their best player this year and the club is struggling to be .500.

A good player surrounded by mediocrity is not as valuable as what he might bring in a trade..

The clock is ticking on team control…..he will never be as valuable in the trade market as he is now.
Who’s to say that if he was surrounded by better players, he wouldn’t be a better player? You don’t trade your best player on a player or two who you. “ Hope. “ will be good players! That does sound like something Mo would do though, it would lower the payroll even more!
It is pretty much how Tampa and MIL do business and it works for them. There are no guarantees in life and dealing Donovan might net two guys who are stars with team control for 6 years. Or might get two or more duds. The point is that Donovan alone can not raise this ship and by the time enough talent arrives he will be gone anyway. But opinions differ.

I do not expect them to trade Donovan anyway. Not the way STL does business. Then again they should have traded Fedde and Helsley last December and didn't and now Fedde has zero value and Helsley less value.
I agree, some players should have been moved this off season, it’s just mind boggling how the Cardinals couldn’t see this.
I just don’t agree about Donovan being traded. He doesn’t really do anything great, but he doesn’t do anything poorly either. He has a chance to lead the league in hits and average, and could be in the running for another gold glove, so those aren’t anything to sneeze at!
I’d subtract players not doing their parts, not the ones who are.
As I said opinions differ. I can see why people want to keep him. If I thought STL had a chance to compete next year I'd say keep him. Sadly I do not see that barring some amazing improvements in the pitching staff and growth in the hitters. But who knows. Anyway I do hope they can move Matz, Maton and Helsley for some prospects that could be contributors by 2027. That is the year I am thinking they could start to make a move. Of course it depends on a lot including will the team open the coffers back up to the previous $180 mil level. They WILL need to replace some veteran talent aging out and leaving end of contracts.
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AZ_Cardsfan wrote: 25 Jul 2025 20:46 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: 25 Jul 2025 20:38 pm
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: 25 Jul 2025 20:30 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: 25 Jul 2025 20:17 pm
45s wrote: 25 Jul 2025 19:43 pm Some don’t want to trade Donavan….on the premise that he is their best player..

Well…he is their best player this year and the club is struggling to be .500.

A good player surrounded by mediocrity is not as valuable as what he might bring in a trade..

The clock is ticking on team control…..he will never be as valuable in the trade market as he is now.
Who’s to say that if he was surrounded by better players, he wouldn’t be a better player? You don’t trade your best player on a player or two who you. “ Hope. “ will be good players! That does sound like something Mo would do though, it would lower the payroll even more!
It is pretty much how Tampa and MIL do business and it works for them. There are no guarantees in life and dealing Donovan might net two guys who are stars with team control for 6 years. Or might get two or more duds. The point is that Donovan alone can not raise this ship and by the time enough talent arrives he will be gone anyway. But opinions differ.

I do not expect them to trade Donovan anyway. Not the way STL does business. Then again they should have traded Fedde and Helsley last December and didn't and now Fedde has zero value and Helsley less value.
I agree, some players should have been moved this off season, it’s just mind boggling how the Cardinals couldn’t see this.
I just don’t agree about Donovan being traded. He doesn’t really do anything great, but he doesn’t do anything poorly either. He has a chance to lead the league in hits and average, and could be in the running for another gold glove, so those aren’t anything to sneeze at!
I’d subtract players not doing their parts, not the ones who are.
As I said opinions differ. I can see why people want to keep him. If I thought STL had a chance to compete next year I'd say keep him. Sadly I do not see that barring some amazing improvements in the pitching staff and growth in the hitters. But who knows. Anyway I do hope they can move Matz, Maton and Helsley for some prospects that could be contributors by 2027. That is the year I am thinking they could start to make a move. Of course it depends on a lot including will the team open the coffers back up to the previous $180 mil level. They WILL need to replace some veteran talent aging out and leaving end of contracts.
I agree, DeWitt does need to increase the payroll back up and fill the holes on this team. They need a proven run producer, and lots of pitching!
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stlbirdlover wrote: 25 Jul 2025 16:17 pm So you want to send our best player whom is in the prime of his career away. Great way to build for the future!
I'd agree 100% if he were 25\26 years old or if they were a year away. But, neither is the case so if a team is in love with him and wants to back up the proverbial truck, happy trails, thanks for the memories and best of luck to you (except when you play the Cards)!
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Lightning Rod wrote: 25 Jul 2025 16:23 pm
stlbirdlover wrote: 25 Jul 2025 16:17 pm So you want to send our best player whom is in the prime of his career away. Great way to build for the future!
Probably the only guy I'd not trade. Now, if they made and offer we couldn't refuse I'd listen, but we've been snookered too many times lately. I don't trust Cards to evaluate talent, especially unproven talent.
This. Trade Donny, if we trade him, for a proven player with control. Or maybe Spencer Jones. But we'd need more in return for an AS with control.
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imyourhuckleberry wrote: 25 Jul 2025 21:04 pm
stlbirdlover wrote: 25 Jul 2025 16:17 pm So you want to send our best player whom is in the prime of his career away. Great way to build for the future!
I'd agree 100% if he were 25\26 years old or if they were a year away. But, neither is the case so if a team is in love with him and wants to back up the proverbial truck, happy trails, thanks for the memories and best of luck to you (except when you play the Cards)!
We could and should be a year away if Bloom makes the right moves. Keep trading everyone we develop for 50 grade low A prospects and we become the Pirates - forever 2 years away from a 2 year plan.
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Carp4Cy wrote: 25 Jul 2025 21:31 pm
imyourhuckleberry wrote: 25 Jul 2025 21:04 pm
stlbirdlover wrote: 25 Jul 2025 16:17 pm So you want to send our best player whom is in the prime of his career away. Great way to build for the future!
I'd agree 100% if he were 25\26 years old or if they were a year away. But, neither is the case so if a team is in love with him and wants to back up the proverbial truck, happy trails, thanks for the memories and best of luck to you (except when you play the Cards)!
We could and should be a year away if Bloom makes the right moves. Keep trading everyone we develop for 50 grade low A prospects and we become the Pirates - forever 2 years away from a 2 year plan.
I hope you're right. Truly. I don't think you are, however.
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