If we don't get offered exactly what we want/need for Helsley - keep him and give a QO

[Youboughtit]

The comp draft pick is worth more than a bad lotto ticket, so that has to be considered the minimum return in any Helsley deal.

Helsley has already said he wants a Hader type contract worth near 9 figures, which means 6-7+ years, so he is guaranteed to reject the QO and explore FA. Those draft picks can be very valuable, so its not a bad option if we don't get a great offer for him, or for a package including him, such as a Spencer Jones.

He will accept it immediately. $20m and it sets his market for the next season over that. Either trade him or sign him. Letting him get top 3 closer $ is a bad plan

[Youboughtit]

I can't see 1) BDWJr agreeing to a $21+M or 2) Helsley accepting it given he's going to get a solid LT deal from someone at $15-18M AAV.

Which is why risking the QO makes sense. Bill's not agreeing to anything, just a proceedural offer to get a pick.

He will accept. Then they are stuck with a $20m closer and trying to cut payroll.

[An Old Friend]

The comp draft pick is worth more than a bad lotto ticket, so that has to be considered the minimum return in any Helsley deal.

Helsley has already said he wants a Hader type contract worth near 9 figures, which means 6-7+ years, so he is guaranteed to reject the QO and explore FA. Those draft picks can be very valuable, so its not a bad option if we don't get a great offer for him, or for a package including him, such as a Spencer Jones.

No QO for Helsley.

Trade him for whatever they can get.

Otherwise next year they’ll have a (bleep) team with a $20 million closer. And just because he wants a Hader type deal doesn’t mean he’ll get it, or anything close to it.

I find it hilarious that many of the same people who claimed the Cardinals didn’t get a good enough offer for him during the last offseason now believe other GM’s are going to shower him with large multiyear offers, especially since he hasn’t been that great this year.

The way a QO works is we make it and Helsley has 5 days to accept or reject it. Only after rejecting it does he get to explore the FA market. He is definately going to want to explore it, and sure maybe he's wrong about market conditions, but this is his one big shot so he's sure to take the FA route. Plenty of players have turned down QOs in the past to explore more guaranteed money over more years (and a few times lost out big, but by then it was too late).

No, he can take the QO and then be unencumbered afterwards.

This offseason would be basically the worst time to hit the market with a QO over your head and work stoppage looming. No smart team is going to take that leap and he'd have to head back to St. Louis on a lesser deal.

[bfib]

The comp draft pick is worth more than a bad lotto ticket, so that has to be considered the minimum return in any Helsley deal.

Helsley has already said he wants a Hader type contract worth near 9 figures, which means 6-7+ years, so he is guaranteed to reject the QO and explore FA. Those draft picks can be very valuable, so its not a bad option if we don't get a great offer for him, or for a package including him, such as a Spencer Jones.

No QO for Helsley.

Trade him for whatever they can get.

Otherwise next year they’ll have a (bleep) team with a $20 million closer. And just because he wants a Hader type deal doesn’t mean he’ll get it, or anything close to it.

I find it hilarious that many of the same people who claimed the Cardinals didn’t get a good enough offer for him during the last offseason now believe other GM’s are going to shower him with large multiyear offers, especially since he hasn’t been that great this year.

There is zero chance he will accept a QO.

It doesn’t matter anyway as he will be traded before the 31st

[Ozziesfan41]

They aren’t going to offer him QO

[ramfandan]

I can't see 1) BDWJr agreeing to a $21+M or 2) Helsley accepting it given he's going to get a solid LT deal from someone at $15-18M AAV.

Last year the Brewers did not want to retain SS Willy Adames (for they did not wish to pay the big $$$ ) so rather than trade him at last year's trade deadline, they kept him and then gave the QO to him (figuring he was gong to get a much bigger payday elsewhere ) .
One of these analytic sites (was it Spotrac) determined Helsley would get in neighborhood of $81 M multi-year deal.

According to the rules, if a player leaving signs for more than $50 M contract , the team losing the player gets a comp. pick after the 1st round .
Adames did and Brewers got added draft choice .. No. 32 in this past draft . The selected HS SS Brady Ebel Pretty nice player!

Could Helsley just take the 1 yr. deal at $21 M .. I guess but to turn down a bundle for multi-year would be quite risky. He could decline some next year OR God forbid get some elbow injury and he would be toast for a big day after 2026. Pretty big gamble if you ask me.

Some think better haul in a trade as some expert thinks Helsley is worth a Top100 prospect type guy .

[jbrach]

The comp draft pick is worth more than a bad lotto ticket, so that has to be considered the minimum return in any Helsley deal.

Helsley has already said he wants a Hader type contract worth near 9 figures, which means 6-7+ years, so he is guaranteed to reject the QO and explore FA. Those draft picks can be very valuable, so its not a bad option if we don't get a great offer for him, or for a package including him, such as a Spencer Jones.

the cards dont want to be payng him 21 million dollars should he not have a good market so I doubt it...very very few closers are worth 21 million dollars and definitely not helesley

[scoutyjones2]

The comp draft pick is worth more than a bad lotto ticket, so that has to be considered the minimum return in any Helsley deal.

Helsley has already said he wants a Hader type contract worth near 9 figures, which means 6-7+ years, so he is guaranteed to reject the QO and explore FA. Those draft picks can be very valuable, so its not a bad option if we don't get a great offer for him, or for a package including him, such as a Spencer Jones.

No thank you.

[rockondlouie]

I can't see 1) BDWJr agreeing to a $21+M or 2) Helsley accepting it given he's going to get a solid LT deal from someone at $15-18M AAV.

Last year the Brewers did not want to retain SS Willy Adames (for they did not wish to pay the big $$$ ) so rather than trade him at last year's trade deadline, they kept him and then gave the QO to him (figuring he was gong to get a much bigger payday elsewhere ) .
One of these analytic sites (was it Spotrac) determined Helsley would get in neighborhood of $81 M multi-year deal.

According to the rules, if a player leaving signs for more than $50 M contract , the team losing the player gets a comp. pick after the 1st round .
Adames did and Brewers got added draft choice .. No. 32 in this past draft . The selected HS SS Brady Ebel Pretty nice player!

Could Helsley just take the 1 yr. deal at $21 M .. I guess but to turn down a bundle for multi-year would be quite risky. He could decline some next year OR God forbid get some elbow injury and he would be toast for a big day after 2026. Pretty big gamble if you ask me.

Some think better haul in a trade as some expert thinks Helsley is worth a Top100 prospect type guy .

Yea I read that Spotrac projection too RFD

Odds are even w/Helsley desperate to stay here his agent (wife?) wouldn't let him accept the $21+M QO if he could get that $81M from some team (BTW they also said it was a six year deal too).

This is going to be a moot point thought, (IMO) he's going to be traded.

[smilinjoefission]

Helsley HAS to be moved...can't keep wasting opportunities to better this club for the future.

[riff raff]

Helsley HAS to be moved...can't keep wasting opportunities to better this club for the future.

Yep.
And if he likes it here so much as some say he can come right back.

[craviduce]

no team will touch Helsley with a QO attached to his name. And if they do, no one will meet the 3 criteria needed to get 1 of the 3 different levels of Comp Picks.

You MUST trade Helsley now.

Not to mention, he'd likely take the QO from the Cards, b/c it would likely be more than any multi-year deal he's offered. And then we're stuck with an over $20M reliever who struggles to close games. No, absolutely no.

[ramfandan]

The comp draft pick is worth more than a bad lotto ticket, so that has to be considered the minimum return in any Helsley deal.

Helsley has already said he wants a Hader type contract worth near 9 figures, which means 6-7+ years, so he is guaranteed to reject the QO and explore FA. Those draft picks can be very valuable, so its not a bad option if we don't get a great offer for him, or for a package including him, such as a Spencer Jones.

I have a different option of how the Cardinals can play the Helsley situation .
A. You trade him at the deadline and get the best possible package for him .
B. Then during free agency period , the Cardinals approach him with a free agent multi-year offer . Of course, it would be somewhat lower than what he many get elsewhere and if he doesn't want it , the Cards are not out anything. Helsley has been on record saying he wants to remain with Cardinals. We would find out if for what amount less he would continue to play here.

To think this could never happen , go back to 2016 . Yankess had Aroldis Chapman who was on expiring contract. The Yankees decided to trade him to the Cubs . NYY got a package for him. Chapman helped Cubs win their first WS title . Then in that December , the Yankees resigned Chapman to a multi-year deal .
So they got a nice deal for Chapman and then got him to return.

Helsley's monies won't be in the Chapman or Josh Hader range so who knows if the Cardinals could offer something to entice him to return to the Cardinals. Maybe not but nothing lost to try.

So if Bloom plays this right , he could have Mo trade Helsley for players to help Bloom's future and if Bloom wanted to pay the $$ to keep Helsley it gives him that option too.

So my creative option to play the Helsley situation. Get some good kids for him and maybe a longshot to get him back for 2026. Keep in mind , Helsley is on record saying he would like to stay with Cardinals .

[An Old Friend]

I can't see 1) BDWJr agreeing to a $21+M or 2) Helsley accepting it given he's going to get a solid LT deal from someone at $15-18M AAV.

Last year the Brewers did not want to retain SS Willy Adames (for they did not wish to pay the big $$$ ) so rather than trade him at last year's trade deadline, they kept him and then gave the QO to him (figuring he was gong to get a much bigger payday elsewhere ) .
One of these analytic sites (was it Spotrac) determined Helsley would get in neighborhood of $81 M multi-year deal.

According to the rules, if a player leaving signs for more than $50 M contract , the team losing the player gets a comp. pick after the 1st round .
Adames did and Brewers got added draft choice .. No. 32 in this past draft . The selected HS SS Brady Ebel Pretty nice player!

Could Helsley just take the 1 yr. deal at $21 M .. I guess but to turn down a bundle for multi-year would be quite risky. He could decline some next year OR God forbid get some elbow injury and he would be toast for a big day after 2026. Pretty big gamble if you ask me.

Some think better haul in a trade as some expert thinks Helsley is worth a Top100 prospect type guy .

Yea I read that Spotrac projection too RFD

Odds are even w/Helsley desperate to stay here his agent (wife?) wouldn't let him accept the $21+M QO if he could get that $81M from some team (BTW they also said it was a six year deal too).

This is going to be a moot point thought, (IMO) he's going to be traded.

Name a reliever that has gotten a 6 year deal.

Y'all are on crack regarding Helsley's market. Not surprising though considering you're the same guy who calls Juan Soto "injury prone"

[riff raff]

I can't see 1) BDWJr agreeing to a $21+M or 2) Helsley accepting it given he's going to get a solid LT deal from someone at $15-18M AAV.

Last year the Brewers did not want to retain SS Willy Adames (for they did not wish to pay the big $$$ ) so rather than trade him at last year's trade deadline, they kept him and then gave the QO to him (figuring he was gong to get a much bigger payday elsewhere ) .
One of these analytic sites (was it Spotrac) determined Helsley would get in neighborhood of $81 M multi-year deal.

According to the rules, if a player leaving signs for more than $50 M contract , the team losing the player gets a comp. pick after the 1st round .
Adames did and Brewers got added draft choice .. No. 32 in this past draft . The selected HS SS Brady Ebel Pretty nice player!

Could Helsley just take the 1 yr. deal at $21 M .. I guess but to turn down a bundle for multi-year would be quite risky. He could decline some next year OR God forbid get some elbow injury and he would be toast for a big day after 2026. Pretty big gamble if you ask me.

Some think better haul in a trade as some expert thinks Helsley is worth a Top100 prospect type guy .

Yea I read that Spotrac projection too RFD

Odds are even w/Helsley desperate to stay here his agent (wife?) wouldn't let him accept the $21+M QO if he could get that $81M from some team (BTW they also said it was a six year deal too).

This is going to be a moot point thought, (IMO) he's going to be traded.

Name a reliever that has gotten a 6 year deal.

Y'all are on crack regarding Helsley's market. Not surprising though considering you're the same guy who calls Juan Soto "injury prone"

Hels will be lucky to get a three year deal. Six years is laughable.

[Bomber1]

no team will touch Helsley with a QO attached to his name. And if they do, no one will meet the 3 criteria needed to get 1 of the 3 different levels of Comp Picks.

You MUST trade Helsley now.

Not to mention, he'd likely take the QO from the Cards, b/c it would likely be more than any multi-year deal he's offered. And then we're stuck with an over $20M reliever who struggles to close games. No, absolutely no.

This, thank you.