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Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 20:34 pm
by Dazepster
Worst case scenario, we bottom out and get another year of early picks in each draft round.

Have some talent seemingly on the cusp. A replenished farm to follow and might be good in 4 to 5 years.

Sorry, for those that disagree but I am an optimist at heart. Bloom is going to get the talent pipeline flowing. Will take a few years. So be patient. And New Ownership will have the ability and desire to see us Chase Championships Again.

Wait and Watch. It will be.

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 21:36 pm
by Goldfan
Quincy Varnish wrote: 23 Jul 2025 19:27 pm
Goldfan wrote: 23 Jul 2025 19:19 pmA solid hopeful season WAS possible until a few weeks ago, but the complete and true idiocy running this chitshow once again wouldn’t let it happen.
Anyone with partial eyesight could see the BP pitchers Miles/Fedde along with Pallante were Loses waiting to happen. These idiots are NEVER Proactive , an anvil needs to be dropped on their heads and they still have no ability head off a disaster seen coming from 200 miles away
So… they should have suddenly replaced 3/5 of their starting rotation 2 weeks ago? Who would be their replacements? Would that have somehow prevented them from being shutout by the Pirates?
No Quinc, they should’ve continued starting the guy they RELEASED TODAY…..that was the move to win games…..
This attitude of “there’s nothing we can do” is an illness here on CT
“How on Earth will they replace Fedde”. Oh my what will we do???

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 23 Jul 2025 22:28 pm
by Quincy Varnish
Goldfan wrote: 23 Jul 2025 21:36 pm
Quincy Varnish wrote: 23 Jul 2025 19:27 pm
Goldfan wrote: 23 Jul 2025 19:19 pmA solid hopeful season WAS possible until a few weeks ago, but the complete and true idiocy running this chitshow once again wouldn’t let it happen.
Anyone with partial eyesight could see the BP pitchers Miles/Fedde along with Pallante were Loses waiting to happen. These idiots are NEVER Proactive , an anvil needs to be dropped on their heads and they still have no ability head off a disaster seen coming from 200 miles away
So… they should have suddenly replaced 3/5 of their starting rotation 2 weeks ago? Who would be their replacements? Would that have somehow prevented them from being shutout by the Pirates?
No Quinc, they should’ve continued starting the guy they RELEASED TODAY…..that was the move to win games…..
This attitude of “there’s nothing we can do” is an illness here on CT
“How on Earth will they replace Fedde”. Oh my what will we do???
In two of Fedde’s last four starts, the Cardinals scored ZERO runs.

Now… what do we do about Pallante & Mikolas?

Note - Cards were shutout in three of Pallante’s last five starts. Couldn’t have won those games with Gibson. Cards actually won two of Mikolas’ last four, so…

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 24 Jul 2025 08:54 am
by rockondlouie
If it forces Mo to make the trades he HAS to make

and

If it means the end of Oli's reign of incompetence at seasons end

Then we have choice but to welcome Rock Bottom because it's coming.

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 28 Jul 2025 08:50 am
by Lloyd Braun
Good weekend.

Blown to pieces by San Diego by a combined 12-3 on Saturday and Sunday. The team now has a negative run differential on the season.
Since the end of May, Cardinals have the worst starting pitching staff in the entire league.

At the nosedive the Cardinals are currently on... they will get caught and passed by Pittsburgh in September and we can expect the Cardinals to finish in dead last place again.

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 28 Jul 2025 08:54 am
by scoutyjones2
WLTFE wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:48 pm
Lloyd Braun wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:45 pm Mozeliak deserves for this catastrophic collapse, on his watch, to be his final sendoff.

All credit for what occurred from 2008 - 2022 was on the backs of the players Jocketty left behind (Pujols, Molina, Chris Carp, Waino), as well as the draft picks Jeff Lunhow left behind. As well as a hell of a coaching staff that was left behind for a few years.

Once all those players and coaches left or retired, we are left with 2023 - 2025. This is what a Mozeliak-run organization looks like. He's the President of Baseball Operations for nearly 10 years, and the Cardinals have absolutely grotesque and embarrassing baseball operations.

He doesn't deserve to ride off in the sunset a winner. Because he wasn't a winner. He was a hanger-on, taking credit for others' successes, while internally destroying what made everything great.

It wouldn't feel justified, if the Cardinals had a winning season or made the playoffs. He deserves to be the most hated sports executive in St. Louis sports since Keenan.

The Cardinals need to start a Hall-of-Shame where he can be front and center.
+1...but he does have a beautiful family and a few front office (donkey) kissers who will be angry with you!
It's funny how you rip on the supposed front office kissers bgetting angry, when the front office haters are always angry...

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 28 Jul 2025 08:55 am
by scoutyjones2
Lloyd Braun wrote: 28 Jul 2025 08:50 am Good weekend.

Blown to pieces by San Diego by a combined 12-3 on Saturday and Sunday. The team now has a negative run differential on the season.
Since the end of May, Cardinals have the worst starting pitching staff in the entire league.

At the nosedive the Cardinals are currently on... they will get caught and passed by Pittsburgh in September and we can expect the Cardinals to finish in dead last place again.
LoL. No, they won't be caught and passed by Pittsburgh

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 28 Jul 2025 08:58 am
by rockondlouie
Nearing T - two months and counting before we're shed of Mo & hopefully Oli too. :D

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 28 Jul 2025 08:58 am
by desertrat23
scoutyjones2 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 08:54 am
WLTFE wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:48 pm
Lloyd Braun wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:45 pm Mozeliak deserves for this catastrophic collapse, on his watch, to be his final sendoff.

All credit for what occurred from 2008 - 2022 was on the backs of the players Jocketty left behind (Pujols, Molina, Chris Carp, Waino), as well as the draft picks Jeff Lunhow left behind. As well as a hell of a coaching staff that was left behind for a few years.

Once all those players and coaches left or retired, we are left with 2023 - 2025. This is what a Mozeliak-run organization looks like. He's the President of Baseball Operations for nearly 10 years, and the Cardinals have absolutely grotesque and embarrassing baseball operations.

He doesn't deserve to ride off in the sunset a winner. Because he wasn't a winner. He was a hanger-on, taking credit for others' successes, while internally destroying what made everything great.

It wouldn't feel justified, if the Cardinals had a winning season or made the playoffs. He deserves to be the most hated sports executive in St. Louis sports since Keenan.

The Cardinals need to start a Hall-of-Shame where he can be front and center.
+1...but he does have a beautiful family and a few front office (donkey) kissers who will be angry with you!
It's funny how you rip on the supposed front office kissers bgetting angry, when the front office haters are always angry...
Look at the standings. If you’re not angry, you’re not paying attention.

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 28 Jul 2025 09:00 am
by scoutyjones2
desertrat23 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 08:58 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 08:54 am
WLTFE wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:48 pm
Lloyd Braun wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:45 pm Mozeliak deserves for this catastrophic collapse, on his watch, to be his final sendoff.

All credit for what occurred from 2008 - 2022 was on the backs of the players Jocketty left behind (Pujols, Molina, Chris Carp, Waino), as well as the draft picks Jeff Lunhow left behind. As well as a hell of a coaching staff that was left behind for a few years.

Once all those players and coaches left or retired, we are left with 2023 - 2025. This is what a Mozeliak-run organization looks like. He's the President of Baseball Operations for nearly 10 years, and the Cardinals have absolutely grotesque and embarrassing baseball operations.

He doesn't deserve to ride off in the sunset a winner. Because he wasn't a winner. He was a hanger-on, taking credit for others' successes, while internally destroying what made everything great.

It wouldn't feel justified, if the Cardinals had a winning season or made the playoffs. He deserves to be the most hated sports executive in St. Louis sports since Keenan.

The Cardinals need to start a Hall-of-Shame where he can be front and center.
+1...but he does have a beautiful family and a few front office (donkey) kissers who will be angry with you!
It's funny how you rip on the supposed front office kissers bgetting angry, when the front office haters are always angry...
Look at the standings. If you’re not angry, you’re not paying attention.
I'm not angry. It's a game, entertainment. I want them to be better but look at the supposed talent....there really isn't any. If you thought this team was good, then that's on you

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 28 Jul 2025 09:03 am
by desertrat23
scoutyjones2 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 09:00 am
desertrat23 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 08:58 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 08:54 am
WLTFE wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:48 pm
Lloyd Braun wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:45 pm Mozeliak deserves for this catastrophic collapse, on his watch, to be his final sendoff.

All credit for what occurred from 2008 - 2022 was on the backs of the players Jocketty left behind (Pujols, Molina, Chris Carp, Waino), as well as the draft picks Jeff Lunhow left behind. As well as a hell of a coaching staff that was left behind for a few years.

Once all those players and coaches left or retired, we are left with 2023 - 2025. This is what a Mozeliak-run organization looks like. He's the President of Baseball Operations for nearly 10 years, and the Cardinals have absolutely grotesque and embarrassing baseball operations.

He doesn't deserve to ride off in the sunset a winner. Because he wasn't a winner. He was a hanger-on, taking credit for others' successes, while internally destroying what made everything great.

It wouldn't feel justified, if the Cardinals had a winning season or made the playoffs. He deserves to be the most hated sports executive in St. Louis sports since Keenan.

The Cardinals need to start a Hall-of-Shame where he can be front and center.
+1...but he does have a beautiful family and a few front office (donkey) kissers who will be angry with you!
It's funny how you rip on the supposed front office kissers bgetting angry, when the front office haters are always angry...
Look at the standings. If you’re not angry, you’re not paying attention.
I'm not angry. It's a game, entertainment. I want them to be better but look at the supposed talent....there really isn't any. If you thought this team was good, then that's on you
I certainly didn’t expect them to be good, but no one can call this entertaining.

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 28 Jul 2025 09:09 am
by scoutyjones2
desertrat23 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 09:03 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 09:00 am
desertrat23 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 08:58 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 08:54 am
WLTFE wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:48 pm
Lloyd Braun wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:45 pm Mozeliak deserves for this catastrophic collapse, on his watch, to be his final sendoff.

All credit for what occurred from 2008 - 2022 was on the backs of the players Jocketty left behind (Pujols, Molina, Chris Carp, Waino), as well as the draft picks Jeff Lunhow left behind. As well as a hell of a coaching staff that was left behind for a few years.

Once all those players and coaches left or retired, we are left with 2023 - 2025. This is what a Mozeliak-run organization looks like. He's the President of Baseball Operations for nearly 10 years, and the Cardinals have absolutely grotesque and embarrassing baseball operations.

He doesn't deserve to ride off in the sunset a winner. Because he wasn't a winner. He was a hanger-on, taking credit for others' successes, while internally destroying what made everything great.

It wouldn't feel justified, if the Cardinals had a winning season or made the playoffs. He deserves to be the most hated sports executive in St. Louis sports since Keenan.

The Cardinals need to start a Hall-of-Shame where he can be front and center.
+1...but he does have a beautiful family and a few front office (donkey) kissers who will be angry with you!
It's funny how you rip on the supposed front office kissers bgetting angry, when the front office haters are always angry...
Look at the standings. If you’re not angry, you’re not paying attention.
I'm not angry. It's a game, entertainment. I want them to be better but look at the supposed talent....there really isn't any. If you thought this team was good, then that's on you
I certainly didn’t expect them to be good, but no one can call this entertaining.
You don't like them splitting with the Padres? Playing above 500 ball and 3.5 games out of the playoffs?

Ok..

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 28 Jul 2025 09:11 am
by dugoutrex
Lloyd Braun wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:45 pm Mozeliak deserves for this catastrophic collapse, on his watch, to be his final sendoff.

All credit for what occurred from 2008 - 2022 was on the backs of the players Jocketty left behind (Pujols, Molina, Chris Carp, Waino), as well as the draft picks Jeff Lunhow left behind. As well as a hell of a coaching staff that was left behind for a few years.

Once all those players and coaches left or retired, we are left with 2023 - 2025. This is what a Mozeliak-run organization looks like. He's the President of Baseball Operations for nearly 10 years, and the Cardinals have absolutely grotesque and embarrassing baseball operations.

He doesn't deserve to ride off in the sunset a winner. Because he wasn't a winner. He was a hanger-on, taking credit for others' successes, while internally destroying what made everything great.

It wouldn't feel justified, if the Cardinals had a winning season or made the playoffs. He deserves to be the most hated sports executive in St. Louis sports since Keenan.

The Cardinals need to start a Hall-of-Shame where he can be front and center.
just wait 'till you see what hi boi is going to do

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 28 Jul 2025 09:24 am
by WLTFE
scoutyjones2 wrote: 28 Jul 2025 08:54 am
WLTFE wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:48 pm
Lloyd Braun wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:45 pm Mozeliak deserves for this catastrophic collapse, on his watch, to be his final sendoff.

All credit for what occurred from 2008 - 2022 was on the backs of the players Jocketty left behind (Pujols, Molina, Chris Carp, Waino), as well as the draft picks Jeff Lunhow left behind. As well as a hell of a coaching staff that was left behind for a few years.

Once all those players and coaches left or retired, we are left with 2023 - 2025. This is what a Mozeliak-run organization looks like. He's the President of Baseball Operations for nearly 10 years, and the Cardinals have absolutely grotesque and embarrassing baseball operations.

He doesn't deserve to ride off in the sunset a winner. Because he wasn't a winner. He was a hanger-on, taking credit for others' successes, while internally destroying what made everything great.

It wouldn't feel justified, if the Cardinals had a winning season or made the playoffs. He deserves to be the most hated sports executive in St. Louis sports since Keenan.

The Cardinals need to start a Hall-of-Shame where he can be front and center.
+1...but he does have a beautiful family and a few front office (donkey) kissers who will be angry with you!
It's funny how you rip on the supposed front office kissers bgetting angry, when the front office haters are always angry...
Fork Ewe!

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 28 Jul 2025 09:26 am
by Lloyd Braun
dugoutrex wrote: 28 Jul 2025 09:11 am
Lloyd Braun wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:45 pm Mozeliak deserves for this catastrophic collapse, on his watch, to be his final sendoff.

All credit for what occurred from 2008 - 2022 was on the backs of the players Jocketty left behind (Pujols, Molina, Chris Carp, Waino), as well as the draft picks Jeff Lunhow left behind. As well as a hell of a coaching staff that was left behind for a few years.

Once all those players and coaches left or retired, we are left with 2023 - 2025. This is what a Mozeliak-run organization looks like. He's the President of Baseball Operations for nearly 10 years, and the Cardinals have absolutely grotesque and embarrassing baseball operations.

He doesn't deserve to ride off in the sunset a winner. Because he wasn't a winner. He was a hanger-on, taking credit for others' successes, while internally destroying what made everything great.

It wouldn't feel justified, if the Cardinals had a winning season or made the playoffs. He deserves to be the most hated sports executive in St. Louis sports since Keenan.

The Cardinals need to start a Hall-of-Shame where he can be front and center.
just wait 'till you see what hi boi is going to do
I imagine he'll be as successful/unsuccessful here as he was in Boston, but with a lot less payroll to work with.

Hard for me to get excited when the best things people can say about Bloom's time in Boston was, "It wasn't his fault"

Re: Cards hit Rockie Bottom, and I am glad

Posted: 28 Jul 2025 09:44 am
by dugoutrex
Lloyd Braun wrote: 28 Jul 2025 09:26 am
dugoutrex wrote: 28 Jul 2025 09:11 am
Lloyd Braun wrote: 23 Jul 2025 18:45 pm Mozeliak deserves for this catastrophic collapse, on his watch, to be his final sendoff.

All credit for what occurred from 2008 - 2022 was on the backs of the players Jocketty left behind (Pujols, Molina, Chris Carp, Waino), as well as the draft picks Jeff Lunhow left behind. As well as a hell of a coaching staff that was left behind for a few years.

Once all those players and coaches left or retired, we are left with 2023 - 2025. This is what a Mozeliak-run organization looks like. He's the President of Baseball Operations for nearly 10 years, and the Cardinals have absolutely grotesque and embarrassing baseball operations.

He doesn't deserve to ride off in the sunset a winner. Because he wasn't a winner. He was a hanger-on, taking credit for others' successes, while internally destroying what made everything great.

It wouldn't feel justified, if the Cardinals had a winning season or made the playoffs. He deserves to be the most hated sports executive in St. Louis sports since Keenan.

The Cardinals need to start a Hall-of-Shame where he can be front and center.
just wait 'till you see what hi boi is going to do
I imagine he'll be as successful/unsuccessful here as he was in Boston, but with a lot less payroll to work with.

Hard for me to get excited when the best things people can say about Bloom's time in Boston was, "It wasn't his fault"
yup, he was a failure in Boston and ... he will have less resources in STL