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Re: How much do you value Keith Law--He predicts JJ Wetherholt will be a Super Star

Posted: 19 Jul 2025 06:02 am
by woofy25
What did he say about walker?

Re: How much do you value Keith Law--He predicts JJ Wetherholt will be a Super Star

Posted: 19 Jul 2025 07:20 am
by redbirdfan51
Cards could use one.

Re: How much do you value Keith Law--He predicts JJ Wetherholt will be a Super Star

Posted: 19 Jul 2025 07:37 am
by tubastarr
Wasn’t the same being said about Jordan Walker?

Re: How much do you value Keith Law--He predicts JJ Wetherholt will be a Super Star

Posted: 19 Jul 2025 07:57 am
by Bully4you
tubastarr wrote: 19 Jul 2025 07:37 am Wasn’t the same being said about Jordan Walker?
I don't know.
What did Law say about Walker.
I know some said he would be the face of baseball.
Michael Wilbon and a couple others.
But we all know what that was about.

Re: How much do you value Keith Law--He predicts JJ Wetherholt will be a Super Star

Posted: 19 Jul 2025 07:58 am
by mattmitchl44
tubastarr wrote: 19 Jul 2025 07:37 am Wasn’t the same being said about Jordan Walker?
Maybe - but so what?

Every single contract a team signs - whether with Weatherholt, Walker, Goldschmidt, Arenado, etc. - is a risk-reward gamble. You are never going to "win" all of them. If you are getting contracts done for the right terms, the team wins over the long run with relatively cheap, long term deals for young players.

Re: How much do you value Keith Law--He predicts JJ Wetherholt will be a Super Star

Posted: 19 Jul 2025 08:00 am
by Bully4you
mattmitchl44 wrote: 19 Jul 2025 07:58 am
tubastarr wrote: 19 Jul 2025 07:37 am Wasn’t the same being said about Jordan Walker?
Maybe - but so what?

Every single contract a team signs - whether with Weatherholt, Walker, Goldschmidt, Arenado, etc. - is a risk-reward gamble. You are never going to "win" all of them. If you are getting contracts done for the right terms, the team wins over the long run with relatively cheap, long term deals for young players.
Just curious.
What is the right price now for Walker and Gorman?
Because I have to tell you, I wouldn't shed anything over the league minimum for those two guys.
They're basically a waste of a roster spot.

Re: How much do you value Keith Law--He predicts JJ Wetherholt will be a Super Star

Posted: 19 Jul 2025 08:09 am
by mattmitchl44
Bully4you wrote: 19 Jul 2025 08:00 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: 19 Jul 2025 07:58 am
tubastarr wrote: 19 Jul 2025 07:37 am Wasn’t the same being said about Jordan Walker?
Maybe - but so what?

Every single contract a team signs - whether with Weatherholt, Walker, Goldschmidt, Arenado, etc. - is a risk-reward gamble. You are never going to "win" all of them. If you are getting contracts done for the right terms, the team wins over the long run with relatively cheap, long term deals for young players.
Just curious.
What is the right price now for Walker and Gorman?
Because I have to tell you, I wouldn't shed anything over the league minimum for those two guys.
They're basically a waste of a roster spot.
I've only suggested that teams should make a priority getting early long term deals done with players who they project to be:

1. Starting position players who are at least going to be the LH hitting side of a platoon at their position
2. Starting pitchers
3. Closers

If you don't project a player to be one of those things right now, you don't need to make extending them a priority.

Re: How much do you value Keith Law--He predicts JJ Wetherholt will be a Super Star

Posted: 19 Jul 2025 08:14 am
by Bully4you
mattmitchl44 wrote: 19 Jul 2025 08:09 am
Bully4you wrote: 19 Jul 2025 08:00 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: 19 Jul 2025 07:58 am
tubastarr wrote: 19 Jul 2025 07:37 am Wasn’t the same being said about Jordan Walker?
Maybe - but so what?

Every single contract a team signs - whether with Weatherholt, Walker, Goldschmidt, Arenado, etc. - is a risk-reward gamble. You are never going to "win" all of them. If you are getting contracts done for the right terms, the team wins over the long run with relatively cheap, long term deals for young players.
Just curious.
What is the right price now for Walker and Gorman?
Because I have to tell you, I wouldn't shed anything over the league minimum for those two guys.
They're basically a waste of a roster spot.
I've only suggested that teams should make a priority getting early long term deals done with players who they project to be:

1. Starting position players who are at least going to be the LH hitting side of a platoon at their position
2. Starting pitchers
3. Closers

If you don't project a player to be one of those things right now, you don't need to make extending them a priority.
We only have a couple of qualifiers then.
Donovan and Winn.

Re: How much do you value Keith Law--He predicts JJ Wetherholt will be a Super Star

Posted: 19 Jul 2025 08:15 am
by ClassicO
mattmitchl44 wrote: 19 Jul 2025 05:53 am
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: 18 Jul 2025 16:32 pm I mean, they should be thinking about what kind of long term deal they are going to be offering him relatively soon.
It all depends on the price. There is certainly a price point at which the risk-reward balance is right to give him 8 to 10 yr. deal as they bring him up.
Of course. JJ is the only one (pre-Doyle) that I'd consider such. The significant downside is losing the great players after 6 years. You're moving the money from years 7 to 8, 9, or 10, which could be huge, to the early years.