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Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 19:56 pm Mo will probably pretty much give him to the dodgers for nothing in exchange for taking arenado and all of his contract or he will be dumb and keep him all season then he walks at the end of the season for nothing

I would be quite disappointed if Chaim Bloom would have Mo go in that direction . Bloom needs to get something for those guys.

He should definitely have Helsley on the block.
He should definitely have Nootbaar on the block.
He should be listening to any offers for our ML roster not named Donovan or Winn.

Shady wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 19:58 pm

Mort Gage wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 19:52 pm

Shady wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 19:42 pm It's the prudent thing to do. I keep seeing the Dodgers as a potential suitor. They have some very good prospects.

I hope if Mo looks to trade Helsley he is looking for a serious return, as well. But my friend Wally Butterworth has a cousin's friend who is a Red Sox scout who hears that Mo might not be seriously looking for a good return.

What are you doing back here? I thought you abandoned this forum because it didn't meet your high standards. This forum was much better off with you because you like to stir up sshhiitt. Just like you are doing now.

Should I have cited another sock from your sordid past instead? Say, former KKK leader Robert M. Shelton?

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 22:18 pm He should definitely have Helsley on the block.
He should definitely have Nootbaar on the block.
He should be listening to any offers for our ML roster not named Donovan or Winn.

If they extend Donovan, fine. If not, you have 2 more years of him and he's a fa. Trade him now while his value is at it's peak.

Hope C. Bloom is the one seeking a good return for Helsley (NADO & Maton too if dealt).

Let Mo handle Fedde, Matz and hopefully Mikolas since there's no expected return for them, something Mo specializes in!

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 20:58 pm

Shady wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 19:42 pm It's the prudent thing to do. I keep seeing the Dodgers as a potential suitor. They have some very good prospects.

You don't trade him to a team we might face in the playoffs. Send him to Seattle or something. Maybe package him with Pages for that Raleigh guy. That would be a good return.

Lol @ playoffs

Unless they get their s**t together with their rotation, they will be on the outside looking in. If they get in somehow, they arent built to go anywhere. Mo is stupid. Has a very good team in 2015 and doesnt do sh*t to upgrade them. Brings in Goldschmidt and Arenado still in their prime and surrounds them with mediocrity. Has a proven winner manager, fires him and once the Pujols effect on the team is gone, Oli tanks them. This after proving he is our of his depth against the Phillies in a 3 game opening series.

But Mo, like Oli has little bold or strategic thinking. He holds onto the Carlson's and O'Neill's of the world until they have no value but trades Alcantaras, Gallens, Arozarenas before they are given a shot. When the Scherzers of the world are beginning to come home and will do so for less, he's like we're good. Less than one year later, he's scrambling to sign a mediocre Leake to an inflated deal. Honestly, with the resources made available by Grandpa Dewitt, any remotely competent GM/POBO would have picked up Goldly and Arenado. I could go on and Mo has had some successes, but it has been outweighed by his wasting of previously competitive budgets. He wouldnt stand a chance in the Brewers or Tampa Bay FO. As MM proved, if you are remotely competent you can generally avoid disaster seasons with a forgiving payroll. Mo has larrgely shown that too, but much else.

So, no i dont expect him to make the right decision with Helsley. 2023 was such a disaster that even Stevie Wonder would seen that a sell-off was the only legitimate move.

If Mo's post TLR tenure, esp. post-2015 tenure had been marked by anything more than mediocrity, then I could accept the arrogance, but he doesnt have the goods to back it up. If nothing else, the humility compared to Mo will be a welcome change.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 08:53 am Hope C. Bloom is the one seeking a good return for Helsley (NADO & Maton too if dealt).

Let Mo handle Fedde, Matz and hopefully Mikolas since there's no expected return for them, something Mo specializes in!

Better yet, Rock, let Mo focus on swinging a deal on a nice vacation resort.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 08:53 am Hope C. Bloom is the one seeking a good return for Helsley (NADO & Maton too if dealt).

Let Mo handle Fedde, Matz and hopefully Mikolas since there's no expected return for them, something Mo specializes in!

The might as well keep Mikolas or DFA him. I mean if every other arm on the Dodger staff falls off, I guess they could borrow him for a few minutes to save BP arms. But beyond that who would pay anything for a washed up starter to play the pitching version of Russian roulette?

If the Cardinals don't make the playoffs, what was the purpose of Fedde? I dont see a QO from them. His trade value is less than it was in the offseason. McGreevy was ready and was cheaper. You get experience for McGreevy and a return for Fedde

RichieRichSTL wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 09:57 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 08:53 am Hope C. Bloom is the one seeking a good return for Helsley (NADO & Maton too if dealt).

Let Mo handle Fedde, Matz and hopefully Mikolas since there's no expected return for them, something Mo specializes in!

The might as well keep Mikolas or DFA him. I mean if every other arm on the Dodger staff falls off, I guess they could borrow him for a few minutes to save BP arms. But beyond that who would pay anything for a washed up starter to play the pitching version of Russian roulette?

If the Cardinals don't make the playoffs, what was the purpose of Fedde? I dont see a QO from them. His trade value is less than it was in the offseason. McGreevy was ready and was cheaper. You get experience for McGreevy and a return for Fedde

For sure RR and why I said "hopefully" knowing good and well he won't waive his NTC and no team would ever want him.

I'd DFA him his next poor outing, bring up MacG.

Mo blew it on Fedde, should've been dealt this past offseason w/MacG in the OD rotation.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 09:34 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 08:53 am Hope C. Bloom is the one seeking a good return for Helsley (NADO & Maton too if dealt).

Let Mo handle Fedde, Matz and hopefully Mikolas since there's no expected return for them, something Mo specializes in!

Better yet, Rock, let Mo focus on swinging a deal on a nice vacation resort.

For sure JA

Not sure why BDWJr isn't jettisoning him NOW and handing the keys to the POBO office to Bloom so he can wheel & deal w/o interference from Mo.

RichieRichSTL wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 09:57 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 08:53 am Hope C. Bloom is the one seeking a good return for Helsley (NADO & Maton too if dealt).

Let Mo handle Fedde, Matz and hopefully Mikolas since there's no expected return for them, something Mo specializes in!

The might as well keep Mikolas or DFA him. I mean if every other arm on the Dodger staff falls off, I guess they could borrow him for a few minutes to save BP arms. But beyond that who would pay anything for a washed up starter to play the pitching version of Russian roulette?

If the Cardinals don't make the playoffs, what was the purpose of Fedde? I dont see a QO from them. His trade value is less than it was in the offseason. McGreevy was ready and was cheaper. You get experience for McGreevy and a return for Fedde

The purpose of Fedde was to save a couple million. And let a Mo guy play - Siani.

The Phillies could sure use Helsley. Be nice to get a top 5 prospect and a top ten prospect in return. Kind of like what the Cardinals got from the Rangers in the Montgomery deal. That's the kind of trade Mo needs to pull off.

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:38 pm The Phillies could sure use Helsley. Be nice to get a top 5 prospect and a top ten prospect in return. Kind of like what the Cardinals got from the Rangers in the Montgomery deal. That's the kind of trade Mo needs to pull off.

The return better be a whole heck of a lot better than:
Thomas Saggese, Tekoah Roby, and John King

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 14:01 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:38 pm The Phillies could sure use Helsley. Be nice to get a top 5 prospect and a top ten prospect in return. Kind of like what the Cardinals got from the Rangers in the Montgomery deal. That's the kind of trade Mo needs to pull off.

The return better be a whole heck of a lot better than:
Thomas Saggese, Tekoah Roby, and John King

This. "needs to" is relative. If he does, its a very small return. If he doesn't, its really not much opportunity missed.

What he Needs to do is sign Liam and get him on the development train.

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:38 pm The Phillies could sure use Helsley. Be nice to get a top 5 prospect and a top ten prospect in return. Kind of like what the Cardinals got from the Rangers in the Montgomery deal. That's the kind of trade Mo needs to pull off.

that trade is looking sketchy. a lot of under performance and injury history

If we're within 2-3 games of a wild card spot he's holding on to him