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Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 10:01 am
by scoutyjones2
Jatalk wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 07:45 am
Wow sounds like all the hype we had with Walker, Gorman, Carlson………………….,etc.
Let the kid breathe not his job to be your Superman.
Easy does it Lois Lane.
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 10:02 am
by scoutyjones2
ClassicO wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:27 am
82birds wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 08:01 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 07:46 am
Gorman has power. JJ can actually make consistent contact.
this
I love the Wetherholt pick, but I hate revisionist history, and I know many on this board wanted a power hitter for a while -- and the Gorman and Walker picks were not panned -- at the time. They just didn't pan out, but remember: both were in the #20 pick range for picks before the draft - not #1 as JJ was barring the hammy issues.
High school picks are very suspect and a huge gamble, vs college players...to me
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 10:04 am
by ClassicO
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 10:02 am
ClassicO wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:27 am
82birds wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 08:01 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 07:46 am
Gorman has power. JJ can actually make consistent contact.
this
I love the Wetherholt pick, but I hate revisionist history, and I know many on this board wanted a power hitter for a while -- and the Gorman and Walker picks were not panned -- at the time. They just didn't pan out, but remember: both were in the #20 pick range for picks before the draft - not #1 as JJ was barring the hammy issues.
High school picks are very suspect and a huge gamble, vs college players...to me
The stats bear that out, especially in more recent times (the early 2000s had a few success stories - mostly hitters).
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 10:25 am
by Goldfan
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:58 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:30 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 05:08 am
Guy is going to be a terror when he comes up.
He's got all the tools.
Best Cardinals prospect ever?
JD Drew and Rick Ankiel
I’d put Oscar Taveras 3rd
matt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
Right, but the question was best ever, and I think that’s easily Drew and Ankiel
So what are we talking about here? The highest ranked picked? Best Cards prospect? A prospect is any minor leaguer in Cards uni…..Pujols all day, any day
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 10:43 am
by An Old Friend
Goldfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 10:25 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:58 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:30 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 05:08 am
Guy is going to be a terror when he comes up.
He's got all the tools.
Best Cardinals prospect ever?
JD Drew and Rick Ankiel
I’d put Oscar Taveras 3rd
matt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
Right, but the question was best ever, and I think that’s easily Drew and Ankiel
So what are we talking about here? The highest ranked picked? Best Cards prospect? A prospect is any minor leaguer in Cards uni…..Pujols all day, any day
All of the above, and Pujols was nowhere close. 13th round pick and just a top-50 guy in Baseball America before he debuted.
You can argue that it's a miss, but that's not what we're talking about.
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 11:09 am
by Goldfan
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 10:43 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 10:25 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:58 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:30 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 05:08 am
Guy is going to be a terror when he comes up.
He's got all the tools.
Best Cardinals prospect ever?
JD Drew and Rick Ankiel
I’d put Oscar Taveras 3rd
matt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
Right, but the question was best ever, and I think that’s easily Drew and Ankiel
So what are we talking about here? The highest ranked picked? Best Cards prospect? A prospect is any minor leaguer in Cards uni…..Pujols all day, any day
All of the above, and Pujols was nowhere close. 13th round pick and just a top-50 guy in Baseball America before he debuted.
You can argue that it's a miss, but that's not what we're talking about.
Question:
Best Cards Prospect Ever?
So what does that mean to you? You must have a specific definition of prospect?
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 11:10 am
by rockondlouie
ramfandan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 04:50 am
Baseball America compiled a list of Superlatives : Best Tools & Players in yesterday's Futures Game performances
The categories were : Best Player, Best Hitter, Power, Best Batting Practice , Best Defensive Player among pitching categories too.
JJ was their selection for BEST POWER
Their analysis was :
Best Power: JJ Wetherholt, SS, Cardinals
Wetherholt just missed a homer in the opening at-bat for the NL squad, instead putting it off the center field wall at 105.9 mph. He hit a second ball 102.4 mph on a lineout. Wetherholt was the only player in this year’s Futures Game with multiple balls in play above 100 mph.
Keep the JJW train streaming towards St. Louis by Sept. 1st!
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 11:13 am
by imetsatchelpaige
Bully4you wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 05:08 am
Guy is going to be a terror when he comes up.
He's got all the tools.
Best Cardinals prospect ever?
Per similar hype over Taveras and Walker too.
Faberge eggs do not age well and spoil quickly.
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 11:28 am
by moose-and-squirrel
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:58 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:30 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 05:08 am
Guy is going to be a terror when he comes up.
He's got all the tools.
Best Cardinals prospect ever?
JD Drew and Rick Ankiel
I’d put Oscar Taveras 3rd
matt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
Right, but the question was best ever, and I think that’s easily Drew and Ankiel
best prospect? or best prospect that had the best career?
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 12:58 pm
by Ronnie Dobbs
People don't think of power when they think of Wetherholt, but I heard some guy, I think from Baseball America, saying that he wouldn't be surprised if he ends up as a guy who can hit 30+ HRs in his prime years.
I think that's pretty (bleep) optimistic, but when you watch him hit with that seemingly easy power to the opposite field, and his exit velocity is pretty impressive, you can see how he might be able to develop some pretty good power.
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 13:05 pm
by Othawhitemeat
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 10:01 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 07:45 am
Wow sounds like all the hype we had with Walker, Gorman, Carlson………………….,etc.
Let the kid breathe not his job to be your Superman.
Easy does it Lois Lane.
Walker, Carlson, and Gorman all had hype (especially Walker) but with Walker/Gorman, they were both known for contact issues and Carlson was noy known for batting average. Just think more peeps, health aside(hamstrings) think Wetherholt is a higher chance of success. Truthfully, JJ was projected as number 1 pick if not for health.
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 13:07 pm
by hugeCardfan
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:30 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 05:08 am
Guy is going to be a terror when he comes up.
He's got all the tools.
Best Cardinals prospect ever?
JD Drew and Rick Ankiel
I’d put Oscar Taveras 3rd
Oscar wasn’t a draft pick but he was a dandy prospect.
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 13:12 pm
by 12xu
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:58 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:30 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 05:08 am
Guy is going to be a terror when he comes up.
He's got all the tools.
Best Cardinals prospect ever?
JD Drew and Rick Ankiel
I’d put Oscar Taveras 3rd
matt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
Right, but the question was best ever, and I think that’s easily Drew and Ankiel
Ted Simmons was the Cardinals' #1 draft pick (#10 overall) in 1967 and he's in the freaking HOF.
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 13:15 pm
by scoutyjones2
Othawhitemeat wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 13:05 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 10:01 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 07:45 am
Wow sounds like all the hype we had with Walker, Gorman, Carlson………………….,etc.
Let the kid breathe not his job to be your Superman.
Easy does it Lois Lane.
Walker, Carlson, and Gorman all had hype (especially Walker) but with Walker/Gorman, they were both known for contact issues and Carlson was noy known for batting average. Just think more peeps, health aside(hamstrings) think Wetherholt is a higher chance of success. Truthfully, JJ was projected as number 1 pick if not for health.
Huge difference...JJ played college.
Stop drafting High Schoolers. Very simple
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 13:32 pm
by ScotchMIrish
He has hit at every level. No doubt he will be good but he is the same age as Caglianone. Probably a good idea to leave him in Memphis and then look at him in the spring.
Re: JJ Wetherholt selected by BA in Best Tools & Players in Futures Game
Posted: 13 Jul 2025 13:35 pm
by ScotchMIrish
Bully4you wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 05:08 am
Guy is going to be a terror when he comes up.
He's got all the tools.
Best Cardinals prospect ever?
When he gets 3,631 hits in a Cardinals uniform he will be the best prospect ever - and Musial did that while missing 2 seasons due to military service.