3-7 in July

[rockondlouie]

I'd wait till after this 10 game stretch of games and then evaluate where they stand:

3 Games each at:
DBacks
Rockies

Before 4 Home Games 7/24-7/27:
Padres
(HUGE series since they hold the final WC spot)

After those games Mo/Bloom should have a good handle on whether to sell, buy or do both before:
3 Games Home 7/28-7/30
Marlins


Of course you could DFA/Trade Mikolas and or Fedde at any time, neither would ever be missed.

Kicking the can down the road...to find out they still suck.

Helsley is probably the only real asset they'll trade that could being back anything of value, won't bring back any better prospect if you deal him 7/20 or 7/28th.

Mikolas and Fedde have zero trade value, Matz won't bring back anything but a lotto prospect.

Noot could go, but he won't bring back a Top 15 prospect.

Maton has value but won't bring back anything special, same w/JoJo.

Doubt they move on this season from Gorman or Walker.

I'd deal Bumbles, they won't.

They won't deal Donny, Winn, Hererra, VSII or Libby.

NADO, Gray and WillyC have NTC's and won't waive (the exception being NADO if the Dodgers come calling).

So as you can see, there's really no rush scouty since they really only have one valuable asset (Helsley) we know they'll trade.

I don't think they have any valuable assets, thats why is be listening to all and any offers.

I'd actively shop their only all star, Hurdy Gurdy. Again, I'm telling teams, the store is open.

I think teams like the Phillies, Jays, Dodgers and Yankees would fall over themselves to get Helsley but what would the return be?

From what I know scouty Donny is viewed as the new TEAM LEADER they want to build around, I'd bet he gets a nice extension at seasons end.

[Ozziesfan41]

I'd wait till after this 10 game stretch of games and then evaluate where they stand:

3 Games each at:
DBacks
Rockies

Before 4 Home Games 7/24-7/27:
Padres
(HUGE series since they hold the final WC spot)

After those games Mo/Bloom should have a good handle on whether to sell, buy or do both before:
3 Games Home 7/28-7/30
Marlins


Of course you could DFA/Trade Mikolas and or Fedde at any time, neither would ever be missed.

Kicking the can down the road...to find out they still suck.

Helsley is probably the only real asset they'll trade that could being back anything of value, won't bring back any better prospect if you deal him 7/20 or 7/28th.

Mikolas and Fedde have zero trade value, Matz won't bring back anything but a lotto prospect.

Noot could go, but he won't bring back a Top 15 prospect.

Maton has value but won't bring back anything special, same w/JoJo.

Doubt they move on this season from Gorman or Walker.

I'd deal Bumbles, they won't.

They won't deal Donny, Winn, Hererra, VSII or Libby.

NADO, Gray and WillyC have NTC's and won't waive (the exception being NADO if the Dodgers come calling).

So as you can see, there's really no rush scouty since they really only have one valuable asset (Helsley) we know they'll trade.

I don't think they have any valuable assets, thats why is be listening to all and any offers.

I'd actively shop their only all star, Hurdy Gurdy. Again, I'm telling teams, the store is open.

I think teams like the Phillies, Jays, Dodgers and Yankees would fall over themselves to get Helsley but what would the return be?

From what I know scouty Donny is viewed as the new TEAM LEADER they want to build around, I'd bet he gets a nice extension at seasons end.

They would want him but they aren’t going to trade a lot for him. Helsely has blown a lot of saves gets hit hard has allowed 45 base runners in 32 innings they are hitting his fast ball he has trouble getting the first batter out. They would want him but if the cardinals are wanting premium prospects they will just go after a good closer instead. They may get a Jordan hicks like return for him.

[rockondlouie]

I'd wait till after this 10 game stretch of games and then evaluate where they stand:

3 Games each at:
DBacks
Rockies

Before 4 Home Games 7/24-7/27:
Padres
(HUGE series since they hold the final WC spot)

After those games Mo/Bloom should have a good handle on whether to sell, buy or do both before:
3 Games Home 7/28-7/30
Marlins


Of course you could DFA/Trade Mikolas and or Fedde at any time, neither would ever be missed.

Kicking the can down the road...to find out they still suck.

Helsley is probably the only real asset they'll trade that could being back anything of value, won't bring back any better prospect if you deal him 7/20 or 7/28th.

Mikolas and Fedde have zero trade value, Matz won't bring back anything but a lotto prospect.

Noot could go, but he won't bring back a Top 15 prospect.

Maton has value but won't bring back anything special, same w/JoJo.

Doubt they move on this season from Gorman or Walker.

I'd deal Bumbles, they won't.

They won't deal Donny, Winn, Hererra, VSII or Libby.

NADO, Gray and WillyC have NTC's and won't waive (the exception being NADO if the Dodgers come calling).

So as you can see, there's really no rush scouty since they really only have one valuable asset (Helsley) we know they'll trade.

I don't think they have any valuable assets, thats why is be listening to all and any offers.

I'd actively shop their only all star, Hurdy Gurdy. Again, I'm telling teams, the store is open.

I think teams like the Phillies, Jays, Dodgers and Yankees would fall over themselves to get Helsley but what would the return be?

From what I know scouty Donny is viewed as the new TEAM LEADER they want to build around, I'd bet he gets a nice extension at seasons end.

They would want him but they aren’t going to trade a lot for him. Helsely has blown a lot of saves gets hit hard has allowed 45 base runners in 32 innings they are hitting his fast ball he has trouble getting the first batter out. They would want him but if the cardinals are wanting premium prospects they will just go after a good closer instead. They may get a Jordan hicks like return for him.

Helsley will garner a way, way better return than they got for Hicks since he's a vastly superior closer.

[Ozziesfan41]

I'd wait till after this 10 game stretch of games and then evaluate where they stand:

3 Games each at:
DBacks
Rockies

Before 4 Home Games 7/24-7/27:
Padres
(HUGE series since they hold the final WC spot)

After those games Mo/Bloom should have a good handle on whether to sell, buy or do both before:
3 Games Home 7/28-7/30
Marlins


Of course you could DFA/Trade Mikolas and or Fedde at any time, neither would ever be missed.

Kicking the can down the road...to find out they still suck.

Helsley is probably the only real asset they'll trade that could being back anything of value, won't bring back any better prospect if you deal him 7/20 or 7/28th.

Mikolas and Fedde have zero trade value, Matz won't bring back anything but a lotto prospect.

Noot could go, but he won't bring back a Top 15 prospect.

Maton has value but won't bring back anything special, same w/JoJo.

Doubt they move on this season from Gorman or Walker.

I'd deal Bumbles, they won't.

They won't deal Donny, Winn, Hererra, VSII or Libby.

NADO, Gray and WillyC have NTC's and won't waive (the exception being NADO if the Dodgers come calling).

So as you can see, there's really no rush scouty since they really only have one valuable asset (Helsley) we know they'll trade.

I don't think they have any valuable assets, thats why is be listening to all and any offers.

I'd actively shop their only all star, Hurdy Gurdy. Again, I'm telling teams, the store is open.

I think teams like the Phillies, Jays, Dodgers and Yankees would fall over themselves to get Helsley but what would the return be?

From what I know scouty Donny is viewed as the new TEAM LEADER they want to build around, I'd bet he gets a nice extension at seasons end.

They would want him but they aren’t going to trade a lot for him. Helsely has blown a lot of saves gets hit hard has allowed 45 base runners in 32 innings they are hitting his fast ball he has trouble getting the first batter out. They would want him but if the cardinals are wanting premium prospects they will just go after a good closer instead. They may get a Jordan hicks like return for him.

Helsley will garner a way, way better return than they got for Hicks since he's a vastly superior closer.

Not really. If I am a GM would I trade a top prospect for a guy who is a free agent and gets hit hard and blows saves at the rate he does? Not a chance. Not one person on here if the cardinals were looking for a closer would be advocating trading top prospects for a guy having as down of a year as helsley who has been getting hit all season. And whose fastball is getting smoked. But I get it cards fans overvalue players then when they don’t bring back that inflated price in trades they complain that they blew it lol. I mean people on here think the cards should have got a lot of top prospects for the trades in 2023

[scoutyjones2]

I'd wait till after this 10 game stretch of games and then evaluate where they stand:

3 Games each at:
DBacks
Rockies

Before 4 Home Games 7/24-7/27:
Padres
(HUGE series since they hold the final WC spot)

After those games Mo/Bloom should have a good handle on whether to sell, buy or do both before:
3 Games Home 7/28-7/30
Marlins


Of course you could DFA/Trade Mikolas and or Fedde at any time, neither would ever be missed.

Kicking the can down the road...to find out they still suck.

Helsley is probably the only real asset they'll trade that could being back anything of value, won't bring back any better prospect if you deal him 7/20 or 7/28th.

Mikolas and Fedde have zero trade value, Matz won't bring back anything but a lotto prospect.

Noot could go, but he won't bring back a Top 15 prospect.

Maton has value but won't bring back anything special, same w/JoJo.

Doubt they move on this season from Gorman or Walker.

I'd deal Bumbles, they won't.

They won't deal Donny, Winn, Hererra, VSII or Libby.

NADO, Gray and WillyC have NTC's and won't waive (the exception being NADO if the Dodgers come calling).

So as you can see, there's really no rush scouty since they really only have one valuable asset (Helsley) we know they'll trade.

I don't think they have any valuable assets, thats why is be listening to all and any offers.

I'd actively shop their only all star, Hurdy Gurdy. Again, I'm telling teams, the store is open.

I think teams like the Phillies, Jays, Dodgers and Yankees would fall over themselves to get Helsley but what would the return be?

From what I know scouty Donny is viewed as the new TEAM LEADER they want to build around, I'd bet he gets a nice extension at seasons end.

They would want him but they aren’t going to trade a lot for him. Helsely has blown a lot of saves gets hit hard has allowed 45 base runners in 32 innings they are hitting his fast ball he has trouble getting the first batter out. They would want him but if the cardinals are wanting premium prospects they will just go after a good closer instead. They may get a Jordan hicks like return for him.

Helsley will garner a way, way better return than they got for Hicks since he's a vastly superior closer.

Not really. If I am a GM would I trade a top prospect for a guy who is a free agent and gets hit hard and blows saves at the rate he does? Not a chance. Not one person on here if the cardinals were looking for a closer would be advocating trading top prospects for a guy having as down of a year as helsley who has been getting hit all season. And whose fastball is getting smoked. But I get it cards fans overvalue players then when they don’t bring back that inflated price in trades they complain that they blew it lol. I mean people on here think the cards should have got a lot of top prospects for the trades in 2023

I'd trade a top tier prospect for an elite, proven closer. Helsley hasn't had an elite run. He would never have gotten a top tier prospect after one great season.

He's a one hit wonder

[Ozziesfan41]

I'd wait till after this 10 game stretch of games and then evaluate where they stand:

3 Games each at:
DBacks
Rockies

Before 4 Home Games 7/24-7/27:
Padres
(HUGE series since they hold the final WC spot)

After those games Mo/Bloom should have a good handle on whether to sell, buy or do both before:
3 Games Home 7/28-7/30
Marlins


Of course you could DFA/Trade Mikolas and or Fedde at any time, neither would ever be missed.

Kicking the can down the road...to find out they still suck.

Helsley is probably the only real asset they'll trade that could being back anything of value, won't bring back any better prospect if you deal him 7/20 or 7/28th.

Mikolas and Fedde have zero trade value, Matz won't bring back anything but a lotto prospect.

Noot could go, but he won't bring back a Top 15 prospect.

Maton has value but won't bring back anything special, same w/JoJo.

Doubt they move on this season from Gorman or Walker.

I'd deal Bumbles, they won't.

They won't deal Donny, Winn, Hererra, VSII or Libby.

NADO, Gray and WillyC have NTC's and won't waive (the exception being NADO if the Dodgers come calling).

So as you can see, there's really no rush scouty since they really only have one valuable asset (Helsley) we know they'll trade.

I don't think they have any valuable assets, thats why is be listening to all and any offers.

I'd actively shop their only all star, Hurdy Gurdy. Again, I'm telling teams, the store is open.

I think teams like the Phillies, Jays, Dodgers and Yankees would fall over themselves to get Helsley but what would the return be?

From what I know scouty Donny is viewed as the new TEAM LEADER they want to build around, I'd bet he gets a nice extension at seasons end.

They would want him but they aren’t going to trade a lot for him. Helsely has blown a lot of saves gets hit hard has allowed 45 base runners in 32 innings they are hitting his fast ball he has trouble getting the first batter out. They would want him but if the cardinals are wanting premium prospects they will just go after a good closer instead. They may get a Jordan hicks like return for him.

Helsley will garner a way, way better return than they got for Hicks since he's a vastly superior closer.

Not really. If I am a GM would I trade a top prospect for a guy who is a free agent and gets hit hard and blows saves at the rate he does? Not a chance. Not one person on here if the cardinals were looking for a closer would be advocating trading top prospects for a guy having as down of a year as helsley who has been getting hit all season. And whose fastball is getting smoked. But I get it cards fans overvalue players then when they don’t bring back that inflated price in trades they complain that they blew it lol. I mean people on here think the cards should have got a lot of top prospects for the trades in 2023

I'd trade a top tier prospect for an elite, proven closer. Helsley hasn't had an elite run. He would never have gotten a top tier prospect after one great season.

He's a one hit wonder

Still would have got a much better prospect if they had traded him in the offseason with a full year of control and coming off of a dominant season than they will if they trade him now at the deadline

[Rojo Johnson]

Everything should be tradeable and all offers listened to.

Not one player to build around and would draw people to a game, on the current roster

14-14 in June

These are the Cards gentlemen.

The LA Dodgers are also 3-7 in their last 10 games . Should everyone on the Dodgers be tradeable and all offers listened to also ?
Phillies are 4-6 in their last 10 . Do they join the club too ?

Give it up, Danny Boy. Blind allegiance doesn’t become you.

[rockondlouie]

I'd wait till after this 10 game stretch of games and then evaluate where they stand:

3 Games each at:
DBacks
Rockies

Before 4 Home Games 7/24-7/27:
Padres
(HUGE series since they hold the final WC spot)

After those games Mo/Bloom should have a good handle on whether to sell, buy or do both before:
3 Games Home 7/28-7/30
Marlins


Of course you could DFA/Trade Mikolas and or Fedde at any time, neither would ever be missed.

Kicking the can down the road...to find out they still suck.

Helsley is probably the only real asset they'll trade that could being back anything of value, won't bring back any better prospect if you deal him 7/20 or 7/28th.

Mikolas and Fedde have zero trade value, Matz won't bring back anything but a lotto prospect.

Noot could go, but he won't bring back a Top 15 prospect.

Maton has value but won't bring back anything special, same w/JoJo.

Doubt they move on this season from Gorman or Walker.

I'd deal Bumbles, they won't.

They won't deal Donny, Winn, Hererra, VSII or Libby.

NADO, Gray and WillyC have NTC's and won't waive (the exception being NADO if the Dodgers come calling).

So as you can see, there's really no rush scouty since they really only have one valuable asset (Helsley) we know they'll trade.

I don't think they have any valuable assets, thats why is be listening to all and any offers.

I'd actively shop their only all star, Hurdy Gurdy. Again, I'm telling teams, the store is open.

I think teams like the Phillies, Jays, Dodgers and Yankees would fall over themselves to get Helsley but what would the return be?

From what I know scouty Donny is viewed as the new TEAM LEADER they want to build around, I'd bet he gets a nice extension at seasons end.

They would want him but they aren’t going to trade a lot for him. Helsely has blown a lot of saves gets hit hard has allowed 45 base runners in 32 innings they are hitting his fast ball he has trouble getting the first batter out. They would want him but if the cardinals are wanting premium prospects they will just go after a good closer instead. They may get a Jordan hicks like return for him.

Helsley will garner a way, way better return than they got for Hicks since he's a vastly superior closer.

Not really. If I am a GM would I trade a top prospect for a guy who is a free agent and gets hit hard and blows saves at the rate he does? Not a chance. Not one person on here if the cardinals were looking for a closer would be advocating trading top prospects for a guy having as down of a year as helsley who has been getting hit all season. And whose fastball is getting smoked. But I get it cards fans overvalue players then when they don’t bring back that inflated price in trades they complain that they blew it lol. I mean people on here think the cards should have got a lot of top prospects for the trades in 2023

Yes really

Hicks wasn't/isn't in Helsley's class as a closer.

I listed the teams, the Phillies especially would pay a hefty price for Helsley.

You underestimate high level contending teams who think they're one closer away from a WS title and what they'd pay.

Unless E. Clase, who's also had issues this season, is put on the market then Helsley is THE CLOSER teams will go after.

Plus any of the teams I listed also has the money to easily re-sign him.

No one said Helsley would bring back a "top prospect" (re: #1) but the return will be way better than what they got for Hicks (Adam Kloffenstein and Sem Robberse).

I'm not "overvaluing" anybody but you're certainly undervaluing Helsley.

[scoutyjones2]

I'd wait till after this 10 game stretch of games and then evaluate where they stand:

3 Games each at:
DBacks
Rockies

Before 4 Home Games 7/24-7/27:
Padres
(HUGE series since they hold the final WC spot)

After those games Mo/Bloom should have a good handle on whether to sell, buy or do both before:
3 Games Home 7/28-7/30
Marlins


Of course you could DFA/Trade Mikolas and or Fedde at any time, neither would ever be missed.

Kicking the can down the road...to find out they still suck.

Helsley is probably the only real asset they'll trade that could being back anything of value, won't bring back any better prospect if you deal him 7/20 or 7/28th.

Mikolas and Fedde have zero trade value, Matz won't bring back anything but a lotto prospect.

Noot could go, but he won't bring back a Top 15 prospect.

Maton has value but won't bring back anything special, same w/JoJo.

Doubt they move on this season from Gorman or Walker.

I'd deal Bumbles, they won't.

They won't deal Donny, Winn, Hererra, VSII or Libby.

NADO, Gray and WillyC have NTC's and won't waive (the exception being NADO if the Dodgers come calling).

So as you can see, there's really no rush scouty since they really only have one valuable asset (Helsley) we know they'll trade.

I don't think they have any valuable assets, thats why is be listening to all and any offers.

I'd actively shop their only all star, Hurdy Gurdy. Again, I'm telling teams, the store is open.

I think teams like the Phillies, Jays, Dodgers and Yankees would fall over themselves to get Helsley but what would the return be?

From what I know scouty Donny is viewed as the new TEAM LEADER they want to build around, I'd bet he gets a nice extension at seasons end.

They would want him but they aren’t going to trade a lot for him. Helsely has blown a lot of saves gets hit hard has allowed 45 base runners in 32 innings they are hitting his fast ball he has trouble getting the first batter out. They would want him but if the cardinals are wanting premium prospects they will just go after a good closer instead. They may get a Jordan hicks like return for him.

Helsley will garner a way, way better return than they got for Hicks since he's a vastly superior closer.

Not really. If I am a GM would I trade a top prospect for a guy who is a free agent and gets hit hard and blows saves at the rate he does? Not a chance. Not one person on here if the cardinals were looking for a closer would be advocating trading top prospects for a guy having as down of a year as helsley who has been getting hit all season. And whose fastball is getting smoked. But I get it cards fans overvalue players then when they don’t bring back that inflated price in trades they complain that they blew it lol. I mean people on here think the cards should have got a lot of top prospects for the trades in 2023

I'd trade a top tier prospect for an elite, proven closer. Helsley hasn't had an elite run. He would never have gotten a top tier prospect after one great season.

He's a one hit wonder

Still would have got a much better prospect if they had traded him in the offseason with a full year of control and coming off of a dominant season than they will if they trade him now at the deadline

I don't think so. Teams aren't gullible to notice one season and go all in with an elite product for a closer. Which is a position that vascilates from year to year.

It's the rare ones that do it consistently and Helsley isn't that

[renostl]

I'd wait till after this 10 game stretch of games and then evaluate where they stand:

3 Games each at:
DBacks
Rockies

Before 4 Home Games 7/24-7/27:
Padres
(HUGE series since they hold the final WC spot)

After those games Mo/Bloom should have a good handle on whether to sell, buy or do both before:
3 Games Home 7/28-7/30
Marlins


Of course you could DFA/Trade Mikolas and or Fedde at any time, neither would ever be missed.

Kicking the can down the road...to find out they still suck.

Helsley is probably the only real asset they'll trade that could being back anything of value, won't bring back any better prospect if you deal him 7/20 or 7/28th.

Mikolas and Fedde have zero trade value, Matz won't bring back anything but a lotto prospect.

Noot could go, but he won't bring back a Top 15 prospect.

Maton has value but won't bring back anything special, same w/JoJo.

Doubt they move on this season from Gorman or Walker.

I'd deal Bumbles, they won't.

They won't deal Donny, Winn, Hererra, VSII or Libby.

NADO, Gray and WillyC have NTC's and won't waive (the exception being NADO if the Dodgers come calling).

So as you can see, there's really no rush scouty since they really only have one valuable asset (Helsley) we know they'll trade.

I don't think they have any valuable assets, thats why is be listening to all and any offers.

I'd actively shop their only all star, Hurdy Gurdy. Again, I'm telling teams, the store is open.

I think teams like the Phillies, Jays, Dodgers and Yankees would fall over themselves to get Helsley but what would the return be?

From what I know scouty Donny is viewed as the new TEAM LEADER they want to build around, I'd bet he gets a nice extension at seasons end.

They would want him but they aren’t going to trade a lot for him. Helsely has blown a lot of saves gets hit hard has allowed 45 base runners in 32 innings they are hitting his fast ball he has trouble getting the first batter out. They would want him but if the cardinals are wanting premium prospects they will just go after a good closer instead. They may get a Jordan hicks like return for him.

Maybe,
I think that in today's game that the BP is as important as the SP.
Hels would be a part of deepening any BP he goes to, 7th, 8th, and 9th
inning guy. Cleveland might have knocked off the NYY with a supplement
to Clase.

This is where, IMO, getting a rental for the run has great value. The acquiring team
is on the hook for very little money, $3 million. It may cost them a top 10.

[gpe13579]

Donovan should be the player they look to trade.

This is why the Cardinals are where they are. Donovan is a really good player but because they developed him he has now turned into Chase Utley.

I respect Donovan as much as any player they have had in a awhile but sometimes you have to be bold. With Weatherholdt on the horizon you trade Donovan (if they return is substantial of course), preferably for high level young starting pitching.

Weatherholdt is enormously important to this rebuild or whatever it is so he has to be the real deal. They have to give him every chance to succeed and that would be to plug him at second and call it a day. You have to trust your scouts and your process and expect Weatherholdt to be AT LEAST as good as Donovan. This is no knock on Donovan at all but they could score nicely by moving a really nice player to a real contender that needs that "glue" bat, which is what Donovan is.


Then you have to sign a right handed bat to play left next year.

With the nice pitching you require in return for Donovan you suddenly would have a nice stable of young potential making starters. Expecting McGreevy, Hence, Roby and Matthews to all hit is foolish. As it is they have to replace Fedde, MM and soon Gray so they need more on the pitching front.

Donovan is the way to get it.

It would be bold.

It won't happen.

[rockondlouie]

For those trying to claim Helsley isn't an elite closer, c'mon man you're only looking at this season where other elite closers like E. Clase and D. Williams have struggled too.

Helsley from 2022 - 2024:

152 appearances
82 saves
1.83 ERA
0.95 WHiP
12.1 SO9

ELITE!

[Ozziesfan41]

I'd wait till after this 10 game stretch of games and then evaluate where they stand:

3 Games each at:
DBacks
Rockies

Before 4 Home Games 7/24-7/27:
Padres
(HUGE series since they hold the final WC spot)

After those games Mo/Bloom should have a good handle on whether to sell, buy or do both before:
3 Games Home 7/28-7/30
Marlins


Of course you could DFA/Trade Mikolas and or Fedde at any time, neither would ever be missed.

Kicking the can down the road...to find out they still suck.

Helsley is probably the only real asset they'll trade that could being back anything of value, won't bring back any better prospect if you deal him 7/20 or 7/28th.

Mikolas and Fedde have zero trade value, Matz won't bring back anything but a lotto prospect.

Noot could go, but he won't bring back a Top 15 prospect.

Maton has value but won't bring back anything special, same w/JoJo.

Doubt they move on this season from Gorman or Walker.

I'd deal Bumbles, they won't.

They won't deal Donny, Winn, Hererra, VSII or Libby.

NADO, Gray and WillyC have NTC's and won't waive (the exception being NADO if the Dodgers come calling).

So as you can see, there's really no rush scouty since they really only have one valuable asset (Helsley) we know they'll trade.

I don't think they have any valuable assets, thats why is be listening to all and any offers.

I'd actively shop their only all star, Hurdy Gurdy. Again, I'm telling teams, the store is open.

I think teams like the Phillies, Jays, Dodgers and Yankees would fall over themselves to get Helsley but what would the return be?

From what I know scouty Donny is viewed as the new TEAM LEADER they want to build around, I'd bet he gets a nice extension at seasons end.

They would want him but they aren’t going to trade a lot for him. Helsely has blown a lot of saves gets hit hard has allowed 45 base runners in 32 innings they are hitting his fast ball he has trouble getting the first batter out. They would want him but if the cardinals are wanting premium prospects they will just go after a good closer instead. They may get a Jordan hicks like return for him.

Maybe,
I think that in today's game that the BP is as important as the SP.
Hels would be a part of deepening any BP he goes to, 7th, 8th, and 9th
inning guy. Cleveland might have knocked off the NYY with a supplement
to Clase.

This is where, IMO, getting a rental for the run has great value. The acquiring team
is on the hook for very little money, $3 million. It may cost them a top 10.

It would be great if that were true but a team isn’t going to trade a premium prospect for him it just won’t happen. But we will find out soon if they do decide to trade him I wouldn’t put it past Mo to do something stupid like keep him for the rest of the season

[scoutyjones2]

Donovan should be the player they look to trade.

This is why the Cardinals are where they are. Donovan is a really good player but because they developed him he has now turned into Chase Utley.

I respect Donovan as much as any player they have had in a awhile but sometimes you have to be bold. With Weatherholdt on the horizon you trade Donovan (if they return is substantial of course), preferably for high level young starting pitching.

Weatherholdt is enormously important to this rebuild or whatever it is so he has to be the real deal. They have to give him every chance to succeed and that would be to plug him at second and call it a day. You have to trust your scouts and your process and expect Weatherholdt to be AT LEAST as good as Donovan. This is no knock on Donovan at all but they could score nicely by moving a really nice player to a real contender that needs that "glue" bat, which is what Donovan is.


Then you have to sign a right handed bat to play left next year.

With the nice pitching you require in return for Donovan you suddenly would have a nice stable of young potential making starters. Expecting McGreevy, Hence, Roby and Matthews to all hit is foolish. As it is they have to replace Fedde, MM and soon Gray so they need more on the pitching front.

Donovan is the way to get it.

It would be bold.

It won't happen.

I like it...trade Hurdy Gurdy. That's JJs floor...being another Hurdy Gurdy.

Problem is finding a RH OF bat to sign. I'd trade 3-3 prospects for Buxton or Colby Thomas

[rockondlouie]

I'd wait till after this 10 game stretch of games and then evaluate where they stand:

3 Games each at:
DBacks
Rockies

Before 4 Home Games 7/24-7/27:
Padres
(HUGE series since they hold the final WC spot)

After those games Mo/Bloom should have a good handle on whether to sell, buy or do both before:
3 Games Home 7/28-7/30
Marlins


Of course you could DFA/Trade Mikolas and or Fedde at any time, neither would ever be missed.

Kicking the can down the road...to find out they still suck.

Helsley is probably the only real asset they'll trade that could being back anything of value, won't bring back any better prospect if you deal him 7/20 or 7/28th.

Mikolas and Fedde have zero trade value, Matz won't bring back anything but a lotto prospect.

Noot could go, but he won't bring back a Top 15 prospect.

Maton has value but won't bring back anything special, same w/JoJo.

Doubt they move on this season from Gorman or Walker.

I'd deal Bumbles, they won't.

They won't deal Donny, Winn, Hererra, VSII or Libby.

NADO, Gray and WillyC have NTC's and won't waive (the exception being NADO if the Dodgers come calling).

So as you can see, there's really no rush scouty since they really only have one valuable asset (Helsley) we know they'll trade.

I don't think they have any valuable assets, thats why is be listening to all and any offers.

I'd actively shop their only all star, Hurdy Gurdy. Again, I'm telling teams, the store is open.

I think teams like the Phillies, Jays, Dodgers and Yankees would fall over themselves to get Helsley but what would the return be?

From what I know scouty Donny is viewed as the new TEAM LEADER they want to build around, I'd bet he gets a nice extension at seasons end.

They would want him but they aren’t going to trade a lot for him. Helsely has blown a lot of saves gets hit hard has allowed 45 base runners in 32 innings they are hitting his fast ball he has trouble getting the first batter out. They would want him but if the cardinals are wanting premium prospects they will just go after a good closer instead. They may get a Jordan hicks like return for him.

Maybe,
I think that in today's game that the BP is as important as the SP.
Hels would be a part of deepening any BP he goes to, 7th, 8th, and 9th
inning guy. Cleveland might have knocked off the NYY with a supplement
to Clase.

This is where, IMO, getting a rental for the run has great value. The acquiring team
is on the hook for very little money, $3 million. It may cost them a top 10.

It would be great if that were true but a team isn’t going to trade a premium prospect for him it just won’t happen. But we will find out soon if they do decide to trade him I wouldn’t put it past Mo to do something stupid like keep him for the rest of the season

I bet they do ozzie

[Ozziesfan41]

I'd wait till after this 10 game stretch of games and then evaluate where they stand:

3 Games each at:
DBacks
Rockies

Before 4 Home Games 7/24-7/27:
Padres
(HUGE series since they hold the final WC spot)

After those games Mo/Bloom should have a good handle on whether to sell, buy or do both before:
3 Games Home 7/28-7/30
Marlins


Of course you could DFA/Trade Mikolas and or Fedde at any time, neither would ever be missed.

Kicking the can down the road...to find out they still suck.

Helsley is probably the only real asset they'll trade that could being back anything of value, won't bring back any better prospect if you deal him 7/20 or 7/28th.

Mikolas and Fedde have zero trade value, Matz won't bring back anything but a lotto prospect.

Noot could go, but he won't bring back a Top 15 prospect.

Maton has value but won't bring back anything special, same w/JoJo.

Doubt they move on this season from Gorman or Walker.

I'd deal Bumbles, they won't.

They won't deal Donny, Winn, Hererra, VSII or Libby.

NADO, Gray and WillyC have NTC's and won't waive (the exception being NADO if the Dodgers come calling).

So as you can see, there's really no rush scouty since they really only have one valuable asset (Helsley) we know they'll trade.

I don't think they have any valuable assets, thats why is be listening to all and any offers.

I'd actively shop their only all star, Hurdy Gurdy. Again, I'm telling teams, the store is open.

I think teams like the Phillies, Jays, Dodgers and Yankees would fall over themselves to get Helsley but what would the return be?

From what I know scouty Donny is viewed as the new TEAM LEADER they want to build around, I'd bet he gets a nice extension at seasons end.

They would want him but they aren’t going to trade a lot for him. Helsely has blown a lot of saves gets hit hard has allowed 45 base runners in 32 innings they are hitting his fast ball he has trouble getting the first batter out. They would want him but if the cardinals are wanting premium prospects they will just go after a good closer instead. They may get a Jordan hicks like return for him.

Maybe,
I think that in today's game that the BP is as important as the SP.
Hels would be a part of deepening any BP he goes to, 7th, 8th, and 9th
inning guy. Cleveland might have knocked off the NYY with a supplement
to Clase.

This is where, IMO, getting a rental for the run has great value. The acquiring team
is on the hook for very little money, $3 million. It may cost them a top 10.

It would be great if that were true but a team isn’t going to trade a premium prospect for him it just won’t happen. But we will find out soon if they do decide to trade him I wouldn’t put it past Mo to do something stupid like keep him for the rest of the season

I bet they do ozzie

We will see. Best case is they get a roby type prospect who has upside but is injured constantly