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rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 14:50 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 14:33 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 14:16 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 12:38 pm Many posters have suggested that the Cards should get back to the $175-180 million spending level. Let’s see what that would do.

Dodgers - $337.8 million
Mets - $331.3 million
Yanks - $290.3 million
Phillies - $279.4 million
Jays - $245.9 million
Astros - $221.3 million
Rangers - $218.7 million
Braves - $211.7 million
Padres - $209.0 million
Cubs - $195.4 million
Giants - $195.3 million
Angels - $193.9 million
Red Sox - $190.8 million
Diamondbacks - $188.9 million
Cardinals - 175-180 million

Maybe just throwing money at it won’t do the trick.
The strength will have to come mainly through the system. Draft well. Develop well. Trade as necessary to fill holes.

Keep it up Toady Front Office Footstool.

cranny = king of all sycophants

C. Bloom/R.Cerfolio can only do so much via the draft & development route.

If they find one FOTR #1 starter and one all-star position player in the next five years via the draft & development route, then they've done more than Mo and his gang have for years.

But that won't be even close to enough to make them WS contenders.

Unless BDWJr takes the payroll back to $180+M, this team is destined for years of mediocre baseball.

Poor take cranny.........as usual

So what’s your solution, Rock?

BDWjr has done a good thing removing Mo and replacing him w/two smart young baseball execs.

Next would be removing Oli at seasons end and replacing him w/an experience major league Manager.

Finally, he has to give Bloom "some" money (+$35-40M above this season payroll would be a good start) to fill in the holes on this roster (starting pitcher, MOTO hitter).

Nothing crazy (re: NOT K. Tucker) but definitely an upgrade.

That’s reasonable and makes sense.

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 12:38 pm Many posters have suggested that the Cards should get back to the $175-180 million spending level. Let’s see what that would do.

Dodgers - $337.8 million
Mets - $331.3 million
Yanks - $290.3 million
Phillies - $279.4 million
Jays - $245.9 million
Astros - $221.3 million
Rangers - $218.7 million
Braves - $211.7 million
Padres - $209.0 million
Cubs - $195.4 million
Giants - $195.3 million
Angels - $193.9 million
Red Sox - $190.8 million
Diamondbacks - $188.9 million
Cardinals - 175-180 million

Maybe just throwing money at it won’t do the trick.
The strength will have to come mainly through the system. Draft well. Develop well. Trade as necessary to fill holes.

Which is how they have done for many years.

They can get there cheaper. Teams do become good spending cheap. Its infrequent and
more importantly IMO not sustainable.

The difference is multifold. IF you want more than a single shot at it the payroll needs to have flexibility.
The top 10 teams that you listed contain the Astros, Braves and Cubs. Teams that basically tanked, rebuilt and in order
to stay in contention spent to a higher level that the Cardinals need to except. They each kept some stars and
let some walk. Atlanta may be in that spot again. Chicago will be pressed to keep what they have.

As you mentioned. It takes more than money. WS are rare. The Cards only have 11.
Doing it without spending make WS even more rare.

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 15:09 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 14:33 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 12:38 pm Many posters have suggested that the Cards should get back to the $175-180 million spending level. Let’s see what that would do.

Dodgers - $337.8 million
Mets - $331.3 million
Yanks - $290.3 million
Phillies - $279.4 million
Jays - $245.9 million
Astros - $221.3 million
Rangers - $218.7 million
Braves - $211.7 million
Padres - $209.0 million
Cubs - $195.4 million
Giants - $195.3 million
Angels - $193.9 million
Red Sox - $190.8 million
Diamondbacks - $188.9 million
Cardinals - 175-180 million

Maybe just throwing money at it won’t do the trick.
The strength will have to come mainly through the system. Draft well. Develop well. Trade as necessary to fill holes.

$200M, or top 10. Stop rooting for Bill DeWitt and start rooting for the Cardinals.

I doubt if $200M buys you deep into October vs.
the big spenders.

Only one way to find out.

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 15:09 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 14:33 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 12:38 pm Many posters have suggested that the Cards should get back to the $175-180 million spending level. Let’s see what that would do.

Dodgers - $337.8 million
Mets - $331.3 million
Yanks - $290.3 million
Phillies - $279.4 million
Jays - $245.9 million
Astros - $221.3 million
Rangers - $218.7 million
Braves - $211.7 million
Padres - $209.0 million
Cubs - $195.4 million
Giants - $195.3 million
Angels - $193.9 million
Red Sox - $190.8 million
Diamondbacks - $188.9 million
Cardinals - 175-180 million

Maybe just throwing money at it won’t do the trick.
The strength will have to come mainly through the system. Draft well. Develop well. Trade as necessary to fill holes.

$200M, or top 10. Stop rooting for Bill DeWitt and start rooting for the Cardinals.

I doubt if $200M buys you deep into October vs.
the big spenders.

Why not? The DBacks just did it.

Nine of those teams above the cardinals have been to a world series more recently than the cardinals. You made the opposite point that you were trying to make.

Cardinals aren’t going to spend this offseason.

Bottom 15 team in payroll hasn’t won a World Series in a decade (Kansas City 2015).

DeWitt has fully committed to mediocrity.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 16:18 pm Cardinals aren’t going to spend this offseason.

Bottom 15 team in payroll hasn’t won a World Series in a decade (Kansas City 2015).

DeWitt has fully committed to mediocrity.

+1,000,000...as a shared season tix fan in Section 148...the people I talk to are getting more and more (upset) ..and having the smug Mo-ran as the face of your franchise is not helping!

NotAFathersDay9871 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 16:03 pm Nine of those teams above the cardinals have been to a world series more recently than the cardinals. You made the opposite point that you were trying to make.

Actually, it’s the exact point I wanted to make.
Expectations may be too high.

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 20:11 pm

NotAFathersDay9871 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 16:03 pm Nine of those teams above the cardinals have been to a world series more recently than the cardinals. You made the opposite point that you were trying to make.

Actually, it’s the exact point I wanted to make.
Expectations may be too high.

Get some standards.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 20:56 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 20:11 pm

NotAFathersDay9871 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 16:03 pm Nine of those teams above the cardinals have been to a world series more recently than the cardinals. You made the opposite point that you were trying to make.

Actually, it’s the exact point I wanted to make.
Expectations may be too high.

Get some standards.

Have standards. A good season with a lot of good wins.

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 21:22 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 20:56 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 20:11 pm

NotAFathersDay9871 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 16:03 pm Nine of those teams above the cardinals have been to a world series more recently than the cardinals. You made the opposite point that you were trying to make.

Actually, it’s the exact point I wanted to make.
Expectations may be too high.

Get some standards.

Have standards. A good season with a lot of good wins.

The Cardinals used to try to build World Series contenders. They’ve lowered the bar so low that they allowed serious fan apathy to set in. It’s a shame and they don’t seem to care. The fact that Mozeliak is running this deadline is INSANE

An Old Friend wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 21:40 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 21:22 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 20:56 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 20:11 pm

NotAFathersDay9871 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 16:03 pm Nine of those teams above the cardinals have been to a world series more recently than the cardinals. You made the opposite point that you were trying to make.

Actually, it’s the exact point I wanted to make.
Expectations may be too high.

Get some standards.

Have standards. A good season with a lot of good wins.

The Cardinals used to try to build World Series contenders. They’ve lowered the bar so low that they allowed serious fan apathy to set in. It’s a shame and they don’t seem to care. The fact that Mozeliak is running this deadline is INSANE

Maybe guys who have watched World Championships in the 60s, 80s, 2006, and 2011, simply aren’t as hungry.

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 15:09 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 14:33 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 12:38 pm Many posters have suggested that the Cards should get back to the $175-180 million spending level. Let’s see what that would do.

Dodgers - $337.8 million
Mets - $331.3 million
Yanks - $290.3 million
Phillies - $279.4 million
Jays - $245.9 million
Astros - $221.3 million
Rangers - $218.7 million
Braves - $211.7 million
Padres - $209.0 million
Cubs - $195.4 million
Giants - $195.3 million
Angels - $193.9 million
Red Sox - $190.8 million
Diamondbacks - $188.9 million
Cardinals - 175-180 million

Maybe just throwing money at it won’t do the trick.
The strength will have to come mainly through the system. Draft well. Develop well. Trade as necessary to fill holes.

$200M, or top 10. Stop rooting for Bill DeWitt and start rooting for the Cardinals.

I doubt if $200M buys you deep into October vs.
the big spenders.

The Cards like you said need to develop. But, when they have a chance to win, they need to selectively go for it by actively adding. Lets say 2027 is the next window. Baez, Wetherholdt, Bernal, Herrera, Roby and Mathews all look like the real deal. It means adding a TOR arm to that team, adding a couple bullpen pieces, adding an experienced bat to the team. They can probably do that within $200M if they have that young of a team.

The old model of adding mid range free agents to fill in gaps didn't work. The new model should be develop almost everything, fill in the remaining gap or 2 with the best guy available and make sure there is sufficient pitching depth. Finally, never ever give out another legacy contract....

Even by your standards Cranny, that's a lazy post, only to incite a reaction.

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 12:38 pm Many posters have suggested that the Cards should get back to the $175-180 million spending level. Let’s see what that would do.

Dodgers - $337.8 million
Mets - $331.3 million
Yanks - $290.3 million
Phillies - $279.4 million
Jays - $245.9 million
Astros - $221.3 million
Rangers - $218.7 million
Braves - $211.7 million
Padres - $209.0 million
Cubs - $195.4 million
Giants - $195.3 million
Angels - $193.9 million
Red Sox - $190.8 million
Diamondbacks - $188.9 million
Cardinals - 175-180 million

Maybe just throwing money at it won’t do the trick.
The strength will have to come mainly through the system. Draft well. Develop well. Trade as necessary to fill holes.

No it’s the way to get the fans to attend games tho. I want to see future HOF superstars in their prime

rockondlouie wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 14:16 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 12:38 pm Many posters have suggested that the Cards should get back to the $175-180 million spending level. Let’s see what that would do.

Dodgers - $337.8 million
Mets - $331.3 million
Yanks - $290.3 million
Phillies - $279.4 million
Jays - $245.9 million
Astros - $221.3 million
Rangers - $218.7 million
Braves - $211.7 million
Padres - $209.0 million
Cubs - $195.4 million
Giants - $195.3 million
Angels - $193.9 million
Red Sox - $190.8 million
Diamondbacks - $188.9 million
Cardinals - 175-180 million

Maybe just throwing money at it won’t do the trick.
The strength will have to come mainly through the system. Draft well. Develop well. Trade as necessary to fill holes.

Keep it up Toady Front Office Footstool.

cranny = king of all sycophants

C. Bloom/R.Cerfolio can only do so much via the draft & development route.

If they find one FOTR #1 starter and one all-star position player in the next five years via the draft & development route, then they've done more than Mo and his gang have for years.

But that won't be even close to enough to make them WS contenders.

Unless BDWJr takes the payroll back to $180+M, this team is destined for years of mediocre baseball.

Poor take cranny.........as usual

No doubt.
(bleep) near every one of those teams is doing well.
Stupid post.
Without money, you can't compete.
That's just facts.