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Re: Fedde Overall
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 02:09 am
by ICCFIM2
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 19:41 pm
Red7 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 18:53 pm
Fedde has made 17 starts:
3 games 7 ER
1 game 6 ER
4 games 3 ER
3 games 2 ER
3 games 1 ER
3 games 0 ER
He’s been pretty much as expected. Maybe even better, these last 3 starts notwithstanding. They need to figure out how to get him back to where he was 4 starts ago. This is why he didn’t have as high of value in the offseason as many of you thought. If YOU were worried about regression, don’t you think the other teams were as well?
I don’t think a lot of people thought he had a high value but like I said in the off season his value was at its highest and should be traded
There were two things that have conspired for this to be a difficult situation. First, Fedde is on a cheap contract and the Cards were absolutely short on SP. There was no way they were going to trade Fedde if it meant replacing him with a more expensive SP. Second, I don't think the Cards really thought they would have a winning record this far into the season. So, if Fedde wasn't pitching well, it wouldn't stand out. Therefore, the primary reason he was not traded was for budgetary reasons.
The problem is that outside of McGreevy, they don't have anyone else remotely ready to start at the ML level. McGreevy got hammered in his last start. Lets hope that is just a blip since he is likely to start Saturday against Atlanta in place of Fedde. The Cards were in a tough spot last winter in terms of SP. If they had went out and signed another veteran, Liberatore may not be getting a shot this year. In retrospect, signing a veteran to a 1 year deal and trading Fedde would likely have been a good idea. But, if that veteran cost more than Fedde's $7M, the Dewitt's were not going to go for that.
Re: Fedde Overall
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 07:09 am
by 11WSChamps
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 02:09 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 19:41 pm
Red7 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 18:53 pm
Fedde has made 17 starts:
3 games 7 ER
1 game 6 ER
4 games 3 ER
3 games 2 ER
3 games 1 ER
3 games 0 ER
He’s been pretty much as expected. Maybe even better, these last 3 starts notwithstanding. They need to figure out how to get him back to where he was 4 starts ago. This is why he didn’t have as high of value in the offseason as many of you thought. If YOU were worried about regression, don’t you think the other teams were as well?
I don’t think a lot of people thought he had a high value but like I said in the off season his value was at its highest and should be traded
There were two things that have conspired for this to be a difficult situation. First, Fedde is on a cheap contract and the Cards were absolutely short on SP. There was no way they were going to trade Fedde if it meant replacing him with a more expensive SP. Second, I don't think the Cards really thought they would have a winning record this far into the season. So, if Fedde wasn't pitching well, it wouldn't stand out. Therefore, the primary reason he was not traded was for budgetary reasons.
The problem is that outside of McGreevy, they don't have anyone else remotely ready to start at the ML level. McGreevy got hammered in his last start. Lets hope that is just a blip since he is likely to start Saturday against Atlanta in place of Fedde. The Cards were in a tough spot last winter in terms of SP. If they had went out and signed another veteran, Liberatore may not be getting a shot this year. In retrospect, signing a veteran to a 1 year deal and trading Fedde would likely have been a good idea. But, if that veteran cost more than Fedde's $7M, the Dewitt's were not going to go for that.
Exactly.
Re: Fedde Overall
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 07:10 am
by 11WSChamps
icon wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 01:09 am
Red7 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Absolut wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 19:04 pm
And if Eddie Perez is to be believed he’s tipping
It may not be him. It might be his fielders. They’re not very subtle when it comes to shifting with the pitch. You can pretty much watch Winn and you can read pitch and location.
Talk about overanalysis. If fielders were tipping pitches, how do you explain the success of Gray, Liberatore and Pallante? Among others. I prefer to give blame where blame is due.
Yes.
Re: Fedde Overall
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 08:49 am
by rockondlouie
Need him to string together two good starts so some team will take a shot at him.
Weak teams coming up, he needs to take advantage of them.
Re: Fedde Overall
Posted: 08 Jul 2025 08:55 am
by Cusecards
11WSChamps wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 07:09 am
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 02:09 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 19:41 pm
Red7 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 18:53 pm
Fedde has made 17 starts:
3 games 7 ER
1 game 6 ER
4 games 3 ER
3 games 2 ER
3 games 1 ER
3 games 0 ER
He’s been pretty much as expected. Maybe even better, these last 3 starts notwithstanding. They need to figure out how to get him back to where he was 4 starts ago. This is why he didn’t have as high of value in the offseason as many of you thought. If YOU were worried about regression, don’t you think the other teams were as well?
I don’t think a lot of people thought he had a high value but like I said in the off season his value was at its highest and should be traded
There were two things that have conspired for this to be a difficult situation. First, Fedde is on a cheap contract and the Cards were absolutely short on SP. There was no way they were going to trade Fedde if it meant replacing him with a more expensive SP. Second, I don't think the Cards really thought they would have a winning record this far into the season. So, if Fedde wasn't pitching well, it wouldn't stand out. Therefore, the primary reason he was not traded was for budgetary reasons.
The problem is that outside of McGreevy, they don't have anyone else remotely ready to start at the ML level. McGreevy got hammered in his last start. Lets hope that is just a blip since he is likely to start Saturday against Atlanta in place of Fedde. The Cards were in a tough spot last winter in terms of SP. If they had went out and signed another veteran, Liberatore may not be getting a shot this year. In retrospect, signing a veteran to a 1 year deal and trading Fedde would likely have been a good idea. But, if that veteran cost more than Fedde's $7M, the Dewitt's were not going to go for that.
Exactly.
Exactly + 1
Nobody is happy with Mikolas and Fedde. But like you said only McGreevy appears ready to step in and that is rapidly approaching.
Nobody gets more excited about adding pitching than I do but signing someone to huge deals with the risks of injury makes me nervous!
Re: Fedde Overall
Posted: 09 Jul 2025 22:44 pm
by Red7
icon wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 01:09 am
Red7 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Absolut wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 19:04 pm
And if Eddie Perez is to be believed he’s tipping
It may not be him. It might be his fielders. They’re not very subtle when it comes to shifting with the pitch. You can pretty much watch Winn and you can read pitch and location.
Talk about overanalysis. If fielders were tipping pitches, how do you explain the success of Gray, Liberatore and Pallante? Among others. I prefer to give blame where blame is due.
Pallante was brilliant tonight…
Re: Fedde Overall
Posted: 09 Jul 2025 23:12 pm
by rightthinker4
Pallante has got to quit hanging with Fedde and Mikolas.
Re: Fedde Overall
Posted: 09 Jul 2025 23:49 pm
by Clubmaker2
or not pitching inside enough, that used to be claimed as much as tipping pitches is now..
Re: Fedde Overall
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 00:03 am
by icon
Red7 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 22:44 pm
icon wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 01:09 am
Red7 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Absolut wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 19:04 pm
And if Eddie Perez is to be believed he’s tipping
It may not be him. It might be his fielders. They’re not very subtle when it comes to shifting with the pitch. You can pretty much watch Winn and you can read pitch and location.
Talk about overanalysis. If fielders were tipping pitches, how do you explain the success of Gray, Liberatore and Pallante? Among others. I prefer to give blame where blame is due.
Pallante was brilliant tonight…
So you're not going to blame fielders tipping pitches for Pallante's woes tonight?
The point is, those 3 have been good way more than bad. And Fedde and Mikolas deliver meatballs with regularity. No tipping by defenders needed. Meatballs delivered are splattered by hitters.
Re: Fedde Overall
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 08:20 am
by CCard
Red7 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 18:53 pm
Fedde has made 17 starts:
3 games 7 ER
1 game 6 ER
4 games 3 ER
3 games 2 ER
3 games 1 ER
3 games 0 ER
He’s been pretty much as expected. Maybe even better, these last 3 starts notwithstanding. They need to figure out how to get him back to where he was 4 starts ago. This is why he didn’t have as high of value in the offseason as many of you thought. If YOU were worried about regression, don’t you think the other teams were as well?
When he faces quality competition he crumbles. When you need him to step up, he crumbles. Last time he didn't even make it out of the 2nd inning. That kills the bullpen. Not to mention what it does to the psyche of the team. More pressure on the hitters to perform better causes them to play too aggressively. It causes players to try to do too much on defense. it causes errors. He might be acceptable as a 5th starter though I'd rather take a chance on Matz or McGreevy or one of the other AAA pitchers. But not him and Mikolas in the same rotation. That's just too much suck.
Re: Fedde Overall
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 08:43 am
by Ozziesfan41
icon wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 00:03 am
Red7 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 22:44 pm
icon wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 01:09 am
Red7 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
Absolut wrote: ↑07 Jul 2025 19:04 pm
And if Eddie Perez is to be believed he’s tipping
It may not be him. It might be his fielders. They’re not very subtle when it comes to shifting with the pitch. You can pretty much watch Winn and you can read pitch and location.
Talk about overanalysis. If fielders were tipping pitches, how do you explain the success of Gray, Liberatore and Pallante? Among others. I prefer to give blame where blame is due.
Pallante was brilliant tonight…
So you're not going to blame fielders tipping pitches for Pallante's woes tonight?
The point is, those 3 have been good way more than bad. And Fedde and Mikolas deliver meatballs with regularity. No tipping by defenders needed. Meatballs delivered are splattered by hitters.
+1 it’s laughable to say its fielders tipping pitches. If it was that they would be making good pitches and hitters are hitting them. Tipping pitches doesn’t cause pitchers to throw meatballs in the middle of the plate