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Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 09:00 am
by 12xu
45s wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:50 am
Strummer Jones wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:30 am
Lot of people saying we need experience in the big chair, and outside voices...are asking for a reunion of the ol' pals act.
certainly, I am not a cardinals historian as many are
however, as I remember...the most recent stretches of cardinals success has involved leadership from outside the organization
I am a Cardinal historian to some degree, and yet I agree that the Herzog and LaRussa eras were obviously the most successful since the 1960's. Bloom should bring in a new manager and coaching staff with lots of experience and fresh ideas from other organizations.
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 09:10 am
by 45s
12xu wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:00 am
45s wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:50 am
Strummer Jones wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:30 am
Lot of people saying we need experience in the big chair, and outside voices...are asking for a reunion of the ol' pals act.
certainly, I am not a cardinals historian as many are
however, as I remember...the most recent stretches of cardinals success has involved leadership from outside the organization
I am a Cardinal historian to some degree, and yet I agree that the Herzog and LaRussa eras were obviously the most successful since the 1960's. Bloom should bring in a new manager and coaching staff with lots of experience and fresh ideas from other organizations.
yes, absolutely.......I just hope the owner has given bloom complete autonomy in personnel decisions.
the fascination/obsession many have with cardinal retreads is not moving the club forward
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 09:15 am
by bccardsfan
45s wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:10 am
12xu wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:00 am
45s wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:50 am
Strummer Jones wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:30 am
Lot of people saying we need experience in the big chair, and outside voices...are asking for a reunion of the ol' pals act.
certainly, I am not a cardinals historian as many are
however, as I remember...the most recent stretches of cardinals success has involved leadership from outside the organization
I am a Cardinal historian to some degree, and yet I agree that the Herzog and LaRussa eras were obviously the most successful since the 1960's. Bloom should bring in a new manager and coaching staff with lots of experience and fresh ideas from other organizations.
yes, absolutely.......I just hope the owner has given bloom complete autonomy in personnel decisions.
the fascination/obsession many have with cardinal retreads is not moving the club forward
Yes, I am tired of seeing the big club managed like it was AAA. When a guy is hot, Oli benches him anyway. The idea is to win games. Oli has little feel for the game. We need a hard nosed winning culture installed again. I will be interested to see what happens at season's end. Hopefully Marmol is gone, but I have thought that would be the case a few times and it never happens....
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 09:47 am
by 45s
bccardsfan wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:15 am
45s wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:10 am
12xu wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:00 am
45s wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:50 am
Strummer Jones wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:30 am
Lot of people saying we need experience in the big chair, and outside voices...are asking for a reunion of the ol' pals act.
certainly, I am not a cardinals historian as many are
however, as I remember...the most recent stretches of cardinals success has involved leadership from outside the organization
I am a Cardinal historian to some degree, and yet I agree that the Herzog and LaRussa eras were obviously the most successful since the 1960's. Bloom should bring in a new manager and coaching staff with lots of experience and fresh ideas from other organizations.
yes, absolutely.......I just hope the owner has given bloom complete autonomy in personnel decisions.
the fascination/obsession many have with cardinal retreads is not moving the club forward
Yes, I am tired of seeing the big club managed like it was AAA. When a guy is hot, Oli benches him anyway. The idea is to win games. Oli has little feel for the game. We need a hard nosed winning culture installed again. I will be interested to see what happens at season's end. Hopefully Marmol is gone, but I have thought that would be the case a few times and it never happens....
It's one thing to get rid of marmol.....that's easy
who follows him is the key......an experienced, veteran guy from outside the organization is a step forward...
bringing in another cardinal organizational clone is treading water
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 10:29 am
by Cardinals4Life
45s wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 14:16 pm
bluecard04 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 11:38 am
Molina being a catcher has been manager on the field for 2 decades. Yadi is one of the best choices we have!
If Molina is as skilled as you say, why has he not been approached by other clubs?
You ask this a lot. Perhaps he has? I would bet, though, that he is waiting to come home.
-TPTM
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 10:31 am
by Cardinals4Life
rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 14:22 pm
Dream Manager/Coaches:
Albert--Manager
C. Carpenter--Pitching Coach
A. Wainwright--Bullpen Coach
M. Holliday--Bench/Batting Coach
S. Schumaker--Infield/3rd base coach
J. Jay--Outfielder/1st base coach
Never happen.........or would it?
*Yadi has said he wants to be there for his son, I don't think he's ready for the demands of managing in MLB just yet
Talk about a dream scenario!!!!
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 10:34 am
by icon
HorseTrader wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 14:09 pm
You want an attitude change, you bring in Chris Carpenter
Can't disagree with that one.
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 10:36 am
by CorneliusWolfe
HorseTrader wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 14:09 pm
You want an attitude change, you bring in Chris Carpenter
As intriguing as that sounds, I’m not sure the modern player can handle his intensity. They’ve been programmed to interpret being yelled at as toxicity and abuse.
He would value defense though, and I like that.
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 10:36 am
by Cardinals4Life
45s wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:50 am
Strummer Jones wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:30 am
Lot of people saying we need experience in the big chair, and outside voices...are asking for a reunion of the ol' pals act.
certainly, I am not a cardinals historian as many are
however, as I remember...the most recent stretches of cardinals success has involved leadership from outside the organization
The Cardinals success stemmed from Albert Pujols and to a great extent, Yadier Molina behind the dish. La Russa/Dave Duncan knew how to manage and we had other stars around them (Rolen, Edmonds, Berkman) and complimentary pieces that filled their roles. So, in short, we had COMPLETE teams headed by a HOF manager with HOF players and arguably the best RH of all-time!
This is why we want those 2 back. They are special.
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 10:52 am
by rockondlouie
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:31 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 14:22 pm
Dream Manager/Coaches:
Albert--Manager
C. Carpenter--Pitching Coach
A. Wainwright--Bullpen Coach
M. Holliday--Bench/Batting Coach
S. Schumaker--Infield/3rd base coach
J. Jay--Outfielder/1st base coach
Never happen.........or would it?
*Yadi has said he wants to be there for his son, I don't think he's ready for the demands of managing in MLB just yet
Talk about a dream scenario!!!!
The thing is not only are those good-all time great Cardinal players BUT they're also some of the smartest and hardest working ones as well!
Plus they all have that TLR/Dunc DNA and know how to win.
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 10:59 am
by 45s
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:36 am
45s wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:50 am
Strummer Jones wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:30 am
Lot of people saying we need experience in the big chair, and outside voices...are asking for a reunion of the ol' pals act.
certainly, I am not a cardinals historian as many are
however, as I remember...the most recent stretches of cardinals success has involved leadership from outside the organization
The Cardinals success stemmed from Albert Pujols and to a great extent, Yadier Molina behind the dish. La Russa/Dave Duncan knew how to manage and we had other stars around them (Rolen, Edmonds, Berkman) and complimentary pieces that filled their roles. So, in short, we had COMPLETE teams headed by a HOF manager with HOF players and arguably the best RH of all-time!
This is why we want those 2 back. They are special.
That’s a good observation….they were excellent players…
but to believe that those same skills as players will translate to skills as a manager is naive….particularly if they have no mlb experience as even a coach…
This silliness about molina……he has not shown at any level in the mlb industry that he is ready to take over a major league team….particularly one burdened with poor players as the cards are..
When larussa arrived here he had a history of winning championships…..Molina has not shown at such experience…..unless you count pick up basketball
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 11:07 am
by bretto12
Don't you guys realize it does not matter who the manager is. He can only play the team he is given. This is an 85 win team and Oli is not making bad decisions.
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 11:08 am
by Red Bird Classic
45s wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 14:25 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 14:22 pm
Dream Manager/Coaches:
Albert--Manager
C. Carpenter--Pitching Coach
A. Wainwright--Bullpen Coach
M. Holliday--Bench/Batting Coach
S. Schumaker--Infield/3rd base coach
J. Jay--Outfielder/1st base coach
Never happen.........or would it?
*Yadi has said he wants to be there for his son, I don't think he's ready for the demands of managing in MLB just yet
Yeah….that’s a great plan
almost an entire staff with little or no mlb experience
What could go wrong?
A fans dream management team of big name Cards that would almost certainly fall flat on it's face.
Tony LaRussa was a weak player. Herzog wasn't very good either.
Fact: Few great players make great coaches and managers.
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 11:15 am
by 45s
Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 11:08 am
45s wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 14:25 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 14:22 pm
Dream Manager/Coaches:
Albert--Manager
C. Carpenter--Pitching Coach
A. Wainwright--Bullpen Coach
M. Holliday--Bench/Batting Coach
S. Schumaker--Infield/3rd base coach
J. Jay--Outfielder/1st base coach
Never happen.........or would it?
*Yadi has said he wants to be there for his son, I don't think he's ready for the demands of managing in MLB just yet
Yeah….that’s a great plan
almost an entire staff with little or no mlb experience
What could go wrong?
A fans dream management team of big name Cards that would almost certainly fall flat on it's face.
Tony LaRussa was a weak player. Herzog wasn't very good either.
Fact: Few great players make great coaches and managers.
You will never convince the usual suspects…
Those clinging to the past…
Those that believe the entire MLB industry….that has not pursued those guys….is wrong and only they know how great the various retreads will perform
And, of course….The People’s Temple of Molina
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 11:17 am
by rockondlouie
Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 11:08 am
45s wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 14:25 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 14:22 pm
Dream Manager/Coaches:
Albert--Manager
C. Carpenter--Pitching Coach
A. Wainwright--Bullpen Coach
M. Holliday--Bench/Batting Coach
S. Schumaker--Infield/3rd base coach
J. Jay--Outfielder/1st base coach
Never happen.........or would it?
*Yadi has said he wants to be there for his son, I don't think he's ready for the demands of managing in MLB just yet
Yeah….that’s a great plan
almost an entire staff with little or no mlb experience
What could go wrong?
A fans dream management team of big name Cards that would almost certainly fall flat on it's face.
Tony LaRussa was a weak player. Herzog wasn't very good either.
Fact: Few great players make great coaches and managers.
Look again
Those aren't just former "big name Cardinals"
Those are
some of the smartest players we've seen here in decades!
As for little or no MLB experience for Candy Cane (been on IGNORE for many years):
Re:
Mike Matheny
Mike Shildt
Oli Marmol
I'd take my dugout over those three's 100 out of 100 times.
Re: Attitude change
Posted: 10 Jul 2025 11:32 am
by Cardinals4Life
45s wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:59 am
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:36 am
45s wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:50 am
Strummer Jones wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:30 am
Lot of people saying we need experience in the big chair, and outside voices...are asking for a reunion of the ol' pals act.
certainly, I am not a cardinals historian as many are
however, as I remember...the most recent stretches of cardinals success has involved leadership from outside the organization
The Cardinals success stemmed from Albert Pujols and to a great extent, Yadier Molina behind the dish. La Russa/Dave Duncan knew how to manage and we had other stars around them (Rolen, Edmonds, Berkman) and complimentary pieces that filled their roles. So, in short, we had COMPLETE teams headed by a HOF manager with HOF players and arguably the best RH of all-time!
This is why we want those 2 back. They are special.
That’s a good observation….they were excellent players…
but to believe that those same skills as players will translate to skills as a manager is naive….particularly if they have no mlb experience as even a coach…
This silliness about molina……he has not shown at any level in the mlb industry that he is ready to take over a major league team….particularly one burdened with poor players as the cards are..
When larussa arrived here he had a history of winning championships…..Molina has not shown at such experience…..unless you count pick up basketball
I believe both Pujols and Molina have been managing back in P.R. and the D.R.
MLB isnt hiring experienced managers anymore. Look around the league. Id rather go with guys who've played at the highest level and have demonstrated a deep UNDERSTANDING of the game. Pujols and Molina weren't just ANY ole players. They have something special. I know it's hard for you to admit that, bht that's okay!
