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rightthinker4 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:01 am But the Cardinals love their potential.

Draft picks fail. Happens all the time...

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:01 am But the Cardinals love their potential.

But. Isn’t potential the tool to measure predicted performance.

I look at baseball as a whole. The 390 position player stats. Very few stand out. Tells me most don’t make stardom. What’s left is a bunch of good players. Everyone is loaded with these types.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:07 am

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:01 am But the Cardinals love their potential.

But. Isn’t potential the tool to measure predicted performance.

I look at baseball as a whole. The 390 position player stats. Very few stand out. Tells me most don’t make stardom. What’s left is a bunch of good players. Everyone is loaded with these types.

“Loaded,” BD? Capital idea!

butsir01 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:08 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:07 am

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:01 am But the Cardinals love their potential.

But. Isn’t potential the tool to measure predicted performance.

I look at baseball as a whole. The 390 position player stats. Very few stand out. Tells me most don’t make stardom. What’s left is a bunch of good players. Everyone is loaded with these types.

“Loaded,” BD? Capital idea!

Look at our team. We are full of good ball players. But so is the next team. In fact, the talent level difference between each roster is minimal. It showed in Pittsburgh.

swatski wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:07 am This is the danger with drafting high school players. Lesser risk for college players.

Especially when the organization isn’t very good at developing positional talent.

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:14 am

swatski wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:07 am This is the danger with drafting high school players. Lesser risk for college players.

Especially when the organization isn’t very good at developing positional talent.

Yeah, I think the best thing Jordan Walker could hope for right now is to somewhow get the F away from the St. Louis Cardinals.

The flip side of that, however, is the guy has been give more than ample opportunity to show something. His pitch recognition and inability to drive a center-cut fastball aren't anyone else's fault.

Yeah, I think the best thing Jordan Walker could hope for right now is to somewhow get the F away from the St. Louis Cardinals.

Agreed. I don't know if Walker will ever reach MLB batting competency but I'm certain that StL coaches have run out of ideas to help him get there.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:07 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 07:49 am

Joseph-Magrane wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 04:05 am What if… and some people may have to sit down for this, Jordan Walker isn’t good at baseball?

That’s a little hard to believe. What if he has not been developed correctly as a pro player?

What if he isn't capable of being "developed?" Draft picks often fail

Totally correct. I just know he was brought up early as future superstar. Sent back down then up. Changed his hitting approach etc. But his talent level may have just been over hyped.

The fall from grace Walker has had is really remarkable.

From Top 5 prospect (wasn't he even #1 at one time?) to barely hanging on in MLB.

He's too young to just throw in the towel.................yet.

But you have to wonder if C. Bloom, who has no responsibility for him given Walker falls onto Mo's resume, will give him more than 2026 before deciding to move on?

Walker seems ripe for a change of scenery trade. Certainly other teams have players in similar circumstances: highly touted, highly drafted, great potential, but not meeting expectations in their performance. I would expect to see such a trade this winter. Maybe same with Gorman. I think that’s how we got Liberatore.

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:18 am

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:14 am

swatski wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:07 am This is the danger with drafting high school players. Lesser risk for college players.

Especially when the organization isn’t very good at developing positional talent.

Yeah, I think the best thing Jordan Walker could hope for right now is to somewhow get the F away from the St. Louis Cardinals.

The flip side of that, however, is the guy has been give more than ample opportunity to show something. His pitch recognition and inability to drive a center-cut fastball aren't anyone else's fault.

Yep. Trade him and let him suck somewhere else

Just Worthless and KKorn to the A's for Colby Thomas

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:02 am

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:01 am But the Cardinals love their potential.

Draft picks fail. Happens all the time...

Not typically draft picks that are later regarded as the number 1 or 2 prospect in all of baseball.

Jatalk wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:33 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:07 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 07:49 am

Joseph-Magrane wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 04:05 am What if… and some people may have to sit down for this, Jordan Walker isn’t good at baseball?

That’s a little hard to believe. What if he has not been developed correctly as a pro player?

What if he isn't capable of being "developed?" Draft picks often fail

Totally correct. I just know he was brought up early as future superstar. Sent back down then up. Changed his hitting approach etc. But his talent level may have just been over hyped.

Big guy who can run and throw.

Two things you can't teach.

So it was easy for folks to get carried away with the hype.

Unfortunately the rest is more skill set and Walker probably will never obtain those.

swatski wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:07 am This is the danger with drafting high school players. Lesser risk for college players.

agree.
and even IF one pans out, you won't see him in MLB for four, maybe five, years

Bomber1 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 11:11 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:02 am

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:01 am But the Cardinals love their potential.

Draft picks fail. Happens all the time...

Not typically draft picks that are later regarded as the number 1 or 2 prospect in all of baseball.

Delmon Young
Bryan Bullington
Matt Bush
Luke Hochevar
Tom Beckham
Mark Appel
Brady Aiken
Micky Monika
Henry Davis

WLTFE wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 04:08 am

midtncard wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 22:05 pm He is doing terrible with Double A Springfield!!!

He is 0-9 with 4 strikeouts the last 2 nights!!!

Pretty bad when you’re facing AA pitching!

+1...the 'he's only 23'' crowd will be here soon to disagree....he either can't or won't make adjustments...so be prepared to being attacked for posting a fact...

Quoted for truth!