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Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 04 Jul 2025 21:30 pm
by ScotchMIrish
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 19:04 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:47 pm
AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 16:42 pm
only because the league is so bad
MLB has bottomed out, it's really mediocre
There are some bad teams but...
2004 Cardinals 105 wins
2005 Cardinals 100 wins
2006 Cardinals 83 win + world series champions.
Worst team in the history of baseball to win the world series 2006 Cardinals.
Cards got healthy at the right time and had a cy young caliber ace a hall of fame manager hall of fame pitching coach MVP hall of fame 1st baseman hall of fame catcher hall of fame third baseman Jim Edmonds in center it’s not even a realistic comparison of the two teams unless you’ve been drinking heavily and it’s drunk logic
The team won 83 games. Next season 2007 with Pujols, Molina, Rolen and Edmonds they had a losing season. Two pitchers with five wins apiece during the season won a game in the WS. They are in fact the with the lowest win total in the history of baseball to win a WS. I seriously doubt this team will do that but just because they are mediocre doesn't mean it's time to throw in the towel.
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 04 Jul 2025 21:33 pm
by ScotchMIrish
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:54 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:47 pm
AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 16:42 pm
only because the league is so bad
MLB has bottomed out, it's really mediocre
There are some bad teams but...
2004 Cardinals 105 wins
2005 Cardinals 100 wins
2006 Cardinals 83 win + world series champions.
Worst team in the history of baseball to win the world series 2006 Cardinals.
It's true, and it was fun at the time, but the aftermath has had a terrible effect on the team's standards and approach to roster building. They saw it happen once so they know it CAN happen- never mind that it is unlikely. It's baked into the formula now. Just get in and anything can happen. What an awful approach.
Better get used to it. Cardinals have a poor TV deal and mediocre attendance. They can't afford to absorb big contracts now.
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 04 Jul 2025 21:35 pm
by Ozziesfan41
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 21:30 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 19:04 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:47 pm
AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 16:42 pm
only because the league is so bad
MLB has bottomed out, it's really mediocre
There are some bad teams but...
2004 Cardinals 105 wins
2005 Cardinals 100 wins
2006 Cardinals 83 win + world series champions.
Worst team in the history of baseball to win the world series 2006 Cardinals.
Cards got healthy at the right time and had a cy young caliber ace a hall of fame manager hall of fame pitching coach MVP hall of fame 1st baseman hall of fame catcher hall of fame third baseman Jim Edmonds in center it’s not even a realistic comparison of the two teams unless you’ve been drinking heavily and it’s drunk logic
The team won 83 games. Next season 2007 with Pujols, Molina, Rolen and Edmonds they had a losing season. Two pitchers with five wins apiece during the season won a game in the WS. They are in fact the with the lowest win total in the history of baseball to win a WS. I seriously doubt this team will do that but just because they are mediocre doesn't mean it's time to throw in the towel.
Okay keep believing this team will win the World Series because a team with multiple hall of fame players and a hall of fame manager won the World Series we will revisit this thread at the end of the season and see if they win the World Series or you are just talking out of your (donkey). If they win it I will bump it and say u were right if they don’t make it I will bump and it and u can admit u were wrong. I guarantee u are wrong said it here
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 04 Jul 2025 21:46 pm
by ScotchMIrish
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 19:05 pm
In the past 10 years 80% of the World Series participants were division winners, 20% made it through the wildcard.
I think there are too many wild card teams and the season is too long. They play 162 games and then a wild card team can win it all but the reality is we might make it as a wild card team. Then it's a new season.
Since they expanded to 2 wild card teams in 2011 28% of world series champions have been wild card. Since expanding to 3 wild card 50%. Previously only 1 wild card team had an opportunity to advance. 1 against 3. Now 2 wild card teams have a chance to advance.
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 04 Jul 2025 21:47 pm
by ScotchMIrish
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 21:35 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 21:30 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 19:04 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:47 pm
AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 16:42 pm
only because the league is so bad
MLB has bottomed out, it's really mediocre
There are some bad teams but...
2004 Cardinals 105 wins
2005 Cardinals 100 wins
2006 Cardinals 83 win + world series champions.
Worst team in the history of baseball to win the world series 2006 Cardinals.
Cards got healthy at the right time and had a cy young caliber ace a hall of fame manager hall of fame pitching coach MVP hall of fame 1st baseman hall of fame catcher hall of fame third baseman Jim Edmonds in center it’s not even a realistic comparison of the two teams unless you’ve been drinking heavily and it’s drunk logic
The team won 83 games. Next season 2007 with Pujols, Molina, Rolen and Edmonds they had a losing season. Two pitchers with five wins apiece during the season won a game in the WS. They are in fact the with the lowest win total in the history of baseball to win a WS.
I seriously doubt this team will do that but just because they are mediocre doesn't mean it's time to throw in the towel.
Okay keep believing this team will win the World Series because a team with multiple hall of fame players and a hall of fame manager won the World Series we will revisit this thread at the end of the season and see if they win the World Series or you are just talking out of your (donkey). If they win it I will bump it and say u were right if they don’t make it I will bump and it and u can admit u were wrong. I guarantee u are wrong said it here
Okay. Abandon all hope.
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 04 Jul 2025 22:03 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 21:33 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:54 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:47 pm
AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 16:42 pm
only because the league is so bad
MLB has bottomed out, it's really mediocre
There are some bad teams but...
2004 Cardinals 105 wins
2005 Cardinals 100 wins
2006 Cardinals 83 win + world series champions.
Worst team in the history of baseball to win the world series 2006 Cardinals.
I don't deny that this is how they operate. I'm saying it's a very poor strategy. I'm also saying that what happened in 2006 has given them cover to operate this way. And, of course, fans still cite it.
It's true, and it was fun at the time, but the aftermath has had a terrible effect on the team's standards and approach to roster building. They saw it happen once so they know it CAN happen- never mind that it is unlikely. It's baked into the formula now. Just get in and anything can happen. What an awful approach.
Better get used to it. Cardinals have a poor TV deal and mediocre attendance. They can't afford to absorb big contracts now.
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 04 Jul 2025 22:26 pm
by Ozziesfan41
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 21:47 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 21:35 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 21:30 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 19:04 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:47 pm
AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 16:42 pm
only because the league is so bad
MLB has bottomed out, it's really mediocre
There are some bad teams but...
2004 Cardinals 105 wins
2005 Cardinals 100 wins
2006 Cardinals 83 win + world series champions.
Worst team in the history of baseball to win the world series 2006 Cardinals.
Cards got healthy at the right time and had a cy young caliber ace a hall of fame manager hall of fame pitching coach MVP hall of fame 1st baseman hall of fame catcher hall of fame third baseman Jim Edmonds in center it’s not even a realistic comparison of the two teams unless you’ve been drinking heavily and it’s drunk logic
The team won 83 games. Next season 2007 with Pujols, Molina, Rolen and Edmonds they had a losing season. Two pitchers with five wins apiece during the season won a game in the WS. They are in fact the with the lowest win total in the history of baseball to win a WS.
I seriously doubt this team will do that but just because they are mediocre doesn't mean it's time to throw in the towel.
Okay keep believing this team will win the World Series because a team with multiple hall of fame players and a hall of fame manager won the World Series we will revisit this thread at the end of the season and see if they win the World Series or you are just talking out of your (donkey). If they win it I will bump it and say u were right if they don’t make it I will bump and it and u can admit u were wrong. I guarantee u are wrong said it here
Okay. Abandon all hope.
Like I said we will see if at seasons in if you are right and if this team is comparable to a team full of hall of famers who pulled off a miracle once in a life time first time ever performance or I am right. Just u remember you compared this team to the 2006 team and think it will pull it off
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 04 Jul 2025 23:11 pm
by Cardinals4Life
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 21:33 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:54 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:47 pm
AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 16:42 pm
only because the league is so bad
MLB has bottomed out, it's really mediocre
There are some bad teams but...
2004 Cardinals 105 wins
2005 Cardinals 100 wins
2006 Cardinals 83 win + world series champions.
Worst team in the history of baseball to win the world series 2006 Cardinals.
It's true, and it was fun at the time, but the aftermath has had a terrible effect on the team's standards and approach to roster building. They saw it happen once so they know it CAN happen- never mind that it is unlikely. It's baked into the formula now. Just get in and anything can happen. What an awful approach.
Better get used to it. Cardinals have a poor TV deal and mediocre attendance. They can't afford to absorb big contracts now.
They can afford to. They don't WANT to. Big difference.
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 04:48 am
by mattmitchl44
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:54 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:47 pm
AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 16:42 pm
only because the league is so bad
MLB has bottomed out, it's really mediocre
There are some bad teams but...
2004 Cardinals 105 wins
2005 Cardinals 100 wins
2006 Cardinals 83 win + world series champions.
Worst team in the history of baseball to win the world series 2006 Cardinals.
It's true, and it was fun at the time, but the aftermath has had a terrible effect on the team's standards and approach to roster building. They saw it happen once so they know it CAN happen- never mind that it is unlikely. It's baked into the formula now. Just get in and anything can happen. What an awful approach.
It's a bit like thinking that buying lottery tickets is a sound strategy to fund your retirement.
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 08:19 am
by ScotchMIrish
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 22:26 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 21:47 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 21:35 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 21:30 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 19:04 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:47 pm
AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 16:42 pm
only because the league is so bad
MLB has bottomed out, it's really mediocre
There are some bad teams but...
2004 Cardinals 105 wins
2005 Cardinals 100 wins
2006 Cardinals 83 win + world series champions.
Worst team in the history of baseball to win the world series 2006 Cardinals.
Cards got healthy at the right time and had a cy young caliber ace a hall of fame manager hall of fame pitching coach MVP hall of fame 1st baseman hall of fame catcher hall of fame third baseman Jim Edmonds in center it’s not even a realistic comparison of the two teams unless you’ve been drinking heavily and it’s drunk logic
The team won 83 games. Next season 2007 with Pujols, Molina, Rolen and Edmonds they had a losing season. Two pitchers with five wins apiece during the season won a game in the WS. They are in fact the with the lowest win total in the history of baseball to win a WS.
I seriously doubt this team will do that but just because they are mediocre doesn't mean it's time to throw in the towel.
Okay keep believing this team will win the World Series because a team with multiple hall of fame players and a hall of fame manager won the World Series we will revisit this thread at the end of the season and see if they win the World Series or you are just talking out of your (donkey). If they win it I will bump it and say u were right if they don’t make it I will bump and it and u can admit u were wrong. I guarantee u are wrong said it here
Okay. Abandon all hope.
Like I said we will see if at seasons in if you are right and if this team is comparable to a team full of hall of famers who pulled off a miracle once in a life time first time ever performance or I am right. Just u remember you compared this team to the 2006 team and think it will pull it off
Same hall of famers on the team in 2007 that posted a losing record. We'll see. Currently on pace to win 85 which would beat 2006 and 20007.
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 08:33 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 19:05 pm
In the past 10 years 80% of the World Series participants were division winners, 20% made it through the wildcard.
Noteworthy.
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 08:48 am
by scoutyjones2
dugoutrex wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:39 pm
now 5th in the WC standings and ... dropping like a rock!
1 game out, along with the mighty Gigantes
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 09:07 am
by Rojo Johnson
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 21:33 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:54 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:47 pm
AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 16:42 pm
only because the league is so bad
MLB has bottomed out, it's really mediocre
There are some bad teams but...
2004 Cardinals 105 wins
2005 Cardinals 100 wins
2006 Cardinals 83 win + world series champions.
Worst team in the history of baseball to win the world series 2006 Cardinals.
It's true, and it was fun at the time, but the aftermath has had a terrible effect on the team's standards and approach to roster building. They saw it happen once so they know it CAN happen- never mind that it is unlikely. It's baked into the formula now. Just get in and anything can happen. What an awful approach.
Better get used to it. Cardinals have a poor TV deal and mediocre attendance. They can't afford to absorb big contracts now.
If I can’t afford something, then I don’t buy it or engage in it. It would be awful if our favorite billionaire continued to play the ”game” with half a wallet. His ROI on the Cardinals is astronomical. Good time to sell if he can’t afford to be a player anymore.
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 09:09 am
by ScotchMIrish
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:33 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 19:05 pm
In the past 10 years 80% of the World Series participants were division winners, 20% made it through the wildcard.
Noteworthy.
I suspect given the new format the top 2 division winners over time will have a major advantage with the first round bye allowing the players time to recover a little from the 162 game grind. MLB really needs to shorten the regular season. Baseball wasn't designed to be played into early November.
In theory with the opportunity for 2 wild card teams to advance to the division series there might be more wild card teams in the world series but still a big disadvantage.
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 09:14 am
by sikeston bulldog2
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:09 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:33 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 19:05 pm
In the past 10 years 80% of the World Series participants were division winners, 20% made it through the wildcard.
Noteworthy.
I suspect given the new format the top 2 division winners over time will have a major advantage with the first round bye allowing the players time to recover a little from the 162 game grind. MLB really needs to shorten the regular season. Baseball wasn't designed to be played into early November.
In theory with the opportunity for 2 wild card teams to advance to the division series there might be more wild card teams in the world series but still a big disadvantage.
Of course the conventional retort would be rested teams lose their edge. Wild card teams, though weary, are sharper.
Re: This team is in contention for the wild card
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 09:15 am
by ScotchMIrish
Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:07 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 21:33 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:54 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 18:47 pm
AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 16:42 pm
only because the league is so bad
MLB has bottomed out, it's really mediocre
There are some bad teams but...
2004 Cardinals 105 wins
2005 Cardinals 100 wins
2006 Cardinals 83 win + world series champions.
Worst team in the history of baseball to win the world series 2006 Cardinals.
It's true, and it was fun at the time, but the aftermath has had a terrible effect on the team's standards and approach to roster building. They saw it happen once so they know it CAN happen- never mind that it is unlikely. It's baked into the formula now. Just get in and anything can happen. What an awful approach.
Better get used to it. Cardinals have a poor TV deal and mediocre attendance. They can't afford to absorb big contracts now.
If I can’t afford something, then I don’t buy it or engage in it. It would be awful if our favorite billionaire continued to play the ”game” with half a wallet. His ROI on the Cardinals is astronomical. Good time to sell if he can’t afford to be a player anymore.
It is simple reality. The Cardinals are now in the same position as a lot of other teams with a poor TV deal. There are no impoverished MLB owners. They get rich by being smart with their money. At the moment aside from Gray the players with no trade deals aren't playing up to the money they are making. I can see DeWitt adding a player or two in the offseason but unlikely we get to top ten payroll.