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mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 05:28 am As was discussed in the offseason, the Cardinals mistake isn't going to have been trading for Fedde. It's going to be not having "sold high" on him last winter if there was interest by other teams in acquiring him.

More likely “selling while high.”

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 08:52 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 08:45 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 05:28 am As was discussed in the offseason, the Cardinals mistake isn't going to have been trading for Fedde. It's going to be not having "sold high" on him last winter if there was interest by other teams in acquiring him.

Exactly he had value….was old…..was cheap….perfect chip to use. BDW/MO NEVER ahead of the game
I can see no taker for Miles/Matz. Miles should have been DFA’d….better options

He wasn't moved because he was #1 cheap and #2 Mo is reactive instead of proactive. They decided it was easier to get through the rebuild with him. They were expecting to lose this season.

33-35yr old (canine-fertilizer) SP’s aren’t aligned with a youth movement OR a winning team.

2ninr wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 06:18 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 05:28 am As was discussed in the offseason, the Cardinals mistake isn't going to have been trading for Fedde. It's going to be not having "sold high" on him last winter if there was interest by other teams in acquiring him.

When's the last time the Cardinals " sold high " ?

The Cardinals don't do that, and as a rule Cards Talk doesn't either. If you were to suggest trading Burleson right now they would howl and howl. They would hold onto him until he was in the funk that Nootbaar has been in and lament that you can't trade him now because "he has no value".

To the original post- I hope for your sake you are just venting. You know the Cardinals aren't going to DFA either one of those guys, right?

Everyone knows Mikolas is cooked.

Regarding Fedde -

“He’ll bring more at the deadline from a desperate team!”

Said many dumb people.

2ninr wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 06:18 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 05:28 am As was discussed in the offseason, the Cardinals mistake isn't going to have been trading for Fedde. It's going to be not having "sold high" on him last winter if there was interest by other teams in acquiringc him.

When's the last time the Cardinals " sold high " ?

Never.

Alex Reyes
O’Neill
Carlson

To name a few

2ninr wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 06:18 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 05:28 am As was discussed in the offseason, the Cardinals mistake isn't going to have been trading for Fedde. It's going to be not having "sold high" on him last winter if there was interest by other teams in acquiring him.

When's the last time the Cardinals " sold high " ?

Kent Bottenfield

Actually it was probably Brett Wallace.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 10:06 am

2ninr wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 06:18 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 05:28 am As was discussed in the offseason, the Cardinals mistake isn't going to have been trading for Fedde. It's going to be not having "sold high" on him last winter if there was interest by other teams in acquiring him.

When's the last time the Cardinals " sold high " ?

Kent Bottenfield

Actually it was probably Brett Wallace.

Ole Brett Wallace…..the next NL hitting champion….

Bomber1 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 10:02 am Everyone knows Mikolas is cooked.

Regarding Fedde -

“He’ll bring more at the deadline from a desperate team!”

Said many dumb people.

That was said and it was pointed out that he'd have to remain healthy and effective for that to happen. And the same discussion was had about Helsley.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 10:06 am

2ninr wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 06:18 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 05:28 am As was discussed in the offseason, the Cardinals mistake isn't going to have been trading for Fedde. It's going to be not having "sold high" on him last winter if there was interest by other teams in acquiring him.

When's the last time the Cardinals " sold high " ?

Kent Bottenfield

Actually it was probably Brett Wallace.

How bout Zack Cox for Edward Mujica as a deep cut

If Mo can find a taker for Mikolas and if he won't waive his NTC, then it's bullpen or DFA.

Fedde, what the heck has happened his last two starts?

Prior to that, previous 9 GS:
2.81 ERA

Is he hiding an injury?

Why hasn't D. Blake fixed whatever has gone wrong?

Hit the video room Erick

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 12:27 pm If Mo can find a taker for Mikolas and if he won't waive his NTC, then it's bullpen or DFA.

Fedde, what the heck has happened his last two starts?

Prior to that, previous 9 GS:
2.81 ERA

Is he hiding an injury?

Why hasn't D. Blake fixed whatever has gone wrong?

Hit the video room Erick

Agree on Mikolas Rock.
As for Fedde? He obviously relies on command and it has escaped him the last two starts.
On the plus side... he would only be owed $3.5M roughly after the deadline.
At that price I could see some team(s) being willing to roll the dice on him?

Cusecards wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 12:35 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 12:27 pm If Mo can find a taker for Mikolas and if he won't waive his NTC, then it's bullpen or DFA.

Fedde, what the heck has happened his last two starts?

Prior to that, previous 9 GS:
2.81 ERA

Is he hiding an injury?

Why hasn't D. Blake fixed whatever has gone wrong?

Hit the video room Erick

Agree on Mikolas Rock.
As for Fedde? He obviously relies on command and it has escaped him the last two starts.
On the plus side... he would only be owed $3.5M roughly after the deadline.
At that price I could see some team(s) being willing to roll the dice on him?

Agreed

Some team will take him for little more than a weak prospect, Mikolas would bring back a bag of balls plus BDWJr will have to eat $$$$.

You guys are too pessimistic on Fedde. While not what it once was, there is a market for Fedde. The Cardinals will not have to take any of his money on. The best way to get value for him (and some to the others) is to make a package and include some players that aren't rentals.

Goldfan wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 09:29 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 08:52 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 08:45 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 05:28 am As was discussed in the offseason, the Cardinals mistake isn't going to have been trading for Fedde. It's going to be not having "sold high" on him last winter if there was interest by other teams in acquiring him.

Exactly he had value….was old…..was cheap….perfect chip to use. BDW/MO NEVER ahead of the game
I can see no taker for Miles/Matz. Miles should have been DFA’d….better options

He wasn't moved because he was #1 cheap and #2 Mo is reactive instead of proactive. They decided it was easier to get through the rebuild with him. They were expecting to lose this season.

33-35yr old (canine-fertilizer) SP’s aren’t aligned with a youth movement OR a winning team.

I agree. But this reset has been another half-[ashed] job by Mo.

3dender wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 11:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 10:06 am

2ninr wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 06:18 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 05:28 am As was discussed in the offseason, the Cardinals mistake isn't going to have been trading for Fedde. It's going to be not having "sold high" on him last winter if there was interest by other teams in acquiring him.

When's the last time the Cardinals " sold high " ?

Kent Bottenfield

Actually it was probably Brett Wallace.

How bout Zack Cox for Edward Mujica as a deep cut

Shelby Miller for a very good 2015 from Heyward. The '15 rotation will still good enough for a SI cover and 100 wins. Back when they could draft and develop pitching

Mort Gage wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 15:53 pm

3dender wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 11:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 10:06 am

2ninr wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 06:18 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 05:28 am As was discussed in the offseason, the Cardinals mistake isn't going to have been trading for Fedde. It's going to be not having "sold high" on him last winter if there was interest by other teams in acquiring him.

When's the last time the Cardinals " sold high " ?

Kent Bottenfield

Actually it was probably Brett Wallace.

How bout Zack Cox for Edward Mujica as a deep cut

Shelby Miller for a very good 2015 from Heyward. The '15 rotation will still good enough for a SI cover and 100 wins. Back when they could draft and develop pitching

Not a bad one, although it pales a little since ATL sold him even higher that very next offseason and got Swanson and Inciarte.