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Reliever addition should be a top priority. And actually, it's an area Mo has been pretty good at adding at the deadline.

A good bat would be nice. But maybe hard to find. That addition may need to come from the minors.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 08:35 am Looks like Buyer/Seller could be the mode:

Buyer

-They need to add a RP to the pen', not a big move but a necessary one

-If they could find a RHHing OFer who could actually hit, then you could get a bigger deal (J. Walker dangled?)

Seller

-I'd move mountains and see if some team would take Mikolas (even if BDWJr has to eat some salary) just for his innings eating ability so Oli can slot M. McGreevy into his slot

-I'd move Matz, he's on the downswing and that IL stint could be looming

-Fedde might bring back something of value, I'd move him if they can't find a sucker errrrrrrr GM to take Mikolas again to clear a runway fr McGreevy

Helsley is a tough one.

There's NO CLOSER on this team, trading him would basically be waiving the white flag on a playoff spot.

(And NO you can't simply slot Maton there and think he'd be a great as he's been in the 8th, closing is a different animal)

My bet is they keep Helsley if they're anywhere close to a playoff spot.

Should be an interest Month, stay tuned

four very important words.

a reliever that also fits into 2026 plans with RH gone would make sense.

To get quality, the club will have to give up quality….

Trading quality, young players, building blocks for the future, for an opportunity to get bounced in the first round will set the club back further….

45s wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 11:54 am To get quality, the club will have to give up quality….

Trading quality, young players, building blocks for the future, for an opportunity to get bounced in the first round will set the club back further….

They have a glut of position players, especially at IF and Catcher, all of which are some level of quality and all of which are replaceable. This is obviously where they can deal from to get some level of quality pitching.

ML/AAA level IF on the roster:
Arenado
Gorman
Donovan
Saggese
Winn
Fermin
Prieto
Wetherholt

ML/AAA C on the roster:
Herrera (maybe not still a C?)
Pages
Pozo
Crooks
Bernal

OF of value system-wide:
Noot
Walker
Scott
Burleson
(Donovan)
Church
Baez
Davis

You can easily see how a multi-player package centered around Crooks makes a lot of sense. I've been saying Crooks + Davis is a good starting point. Might be a good time to trade Walker too. Bottom line is that there are quality players to be dealt without seriously setting back the organization.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 10:48 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 09:14 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 08:35 am Looks like Buyer/Seller could be the mode:

Buyer

-They need to add a RP to the pen', not a big move but a necessary one

-If they could find a RHHing OFer who could actually hit, then you could get a bigger deal (J. Walker dangled?)

Seller

-I'd move mountains and see if some team would take Mikolas (even if BDWJr has to eat some salary) just for his innings eating ability so Oli can slot M. McGreevy into his slot

-I'd move Matz, he's on the downswing and that IL stint could be looming

-Fedde might bring back something of value, I'd move him if they can't find a sucker errrrrrrr GM to take Mikolas again to clear a runway fr McGreevy

Helsley is a tough one.

There's NO CLOSER on this team, trading him would basically be waiving the white flag on a playoff spot.

(And NO you can't simply slot Maton there and think he'd be a great as he's been in the 8th, closing is a different animal)

My bet is they keep Helsley if they're anywhere close to a playoff spot.

Should be an interest Month, stay tuned

What is left on Miles contract?? Half a year?? If thats an issue the old man should be in a home.
Another reliable SP is required.
Another bat is required.
They need to show some of the old Cardinals “Go for it” as in TRL time to gain back fan trust. This [nonsense] where “getting Walker back is like a trade” is not something fans want to hear.
Had an HVAC repair guy in house last week. The game was on and he says “I haven’t been to a game in years….used to go all the time….tired of BDW/MO. And it’s embarrassing now to see an empty Busch”. All my friends say the same. This ownership needs to produce or it’ll get worse.

Well Apr-May-June are gone so July-Aug-Sept or (and this is simply a rough guess) about $8.8M.

I think McG could be that other reliable SP.

A RHHer is a must, but can they find one?

To me Walker is an enigma, his time here running out w/C. Bloom taking over and he has no connection to him since Walker is on Mo's resume.

They are half way through the season and are on a near 90 win pace, including playing .600 ball at home. Maybe the fans should open their eyes, see there is a competitive team on the field (shockingly) and start showing up. People are so consumed with the relentless criticism that they are missing the Cardinals putting together a good first half. Wasn't my prediction, but I'm not blind to it. The HVAC guy is missing out.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 08:06 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:51 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:44 am Your team is in the playoff hunt and could use some help with SP and bat in OF
As you’ve noticed your stadium looks awkwardly empty…..Cleveland had more fans…..
Instead of sitting on your hands this July like many in the past where you’ve done essentially NOTHING to bolster the playoff run
Trade for some difference makers

I ask though are you wanting a playoff team or a World Series team? Not sure enough moves can be made to achieve the latter. Respect your input.

Um, making the playoffs gets you a chance at the WS. Please, enlighten us on the WS makeup of a team vs just a playoff team.

FYI, wildcards do pretty well

Yeah, they win like 20% of the time.

Who would you like to see in a Cards uni for Aug/Sept playoff push?

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:48 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:44 am Your team is in the playoff hunt and could use some help with SP and bat in OF
As you’ve noticed your stadium looks awkwardly empty…..Cleveland had more fans…..
Instead of sitting on your hands this July like many in the past where you’ve done essentially NOTHING to bolster the playoff run
Trade for some difference makers

Name nabes...it's easy to say do this but make names.

Who are you trading for and whom are you trading?

Very very very good question!
Just GET IT DONE Mo/Bloom!!!!
Laughable!!!!

Without giving up the farm (literally), they will probably do nothing.

I could see them making a mistake and moving either Walker or Gorman, but I think the fan base has spoken.

We are not coming back until Mo is gone, regardless of the situation.

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:44 am Your team is in the playoff hunt and could use some help with SP and bat in OF
As you’ve noticed your stadium looks awkwardly empty…..Cleveland had more fans…..
Instead of sitting on your hands this July like many in the past where you’ve done essentially NOTHING to bolster the playoff run
Trade for some difference makers

I haven't researched this much, but I'd look into a Brent Rooker. I still believe in Sandy Alcantara. And Ive heard good things from the Jake Bird in Colorado as a good relief piece. Add McGreevy into the mix as a starter as well.

Trade both Mikolas/Fedde, if possible.
Rotation down the stretch becomes: Alcantara, Gray, Liberatore, McGreevy, and Pallante.

I'd consider moving Matz, but only if we got something we considered really nice for the future. If not, hang onto him and pray for good health. (Contract year, so odds are better for that!!)

I'm keeping Helsley. You can't trade your closer in a playoff push with no real replacement on hand. That's bad juju.

As far as what we have to give up? I'm not sure. To land a Rooker, it might hurt a little. But we have some depth, particularly at C and on the IF. (Crooks, Bernal, Pages, Pozo, Herrera, Saggese, Prieto, Gorman, Baker, Wetherholt, etc.) We also could trade some OF prospects (Davis, Church, Koperniak, Antico, Baez, etc.), if we think VSII and Rooker (for example) are 2 core pieces moving forward. Nootbaar could also then be on the block. Adding him (Rooker) is a proven bat that would become a core piece, so I'd be more inclined to give up something that would "hurt".

Again, just spitballing here late. No idea if somebody like Rooker or Alacantara or Bird are even options. But we definitely need a SP, RP, and OF bat. We have the ability to do this without jeopardizing the future (and perhaps do so in a way that helps now and for the future!).

Cusecards wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 19:59 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:48 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:44 am Your team is in the playoff hunt and could use some help with SP and bat in OF
As you’ve noticed your stadium looks awkwardly empty…..Cleveland had more fans…..
Instead of sitting on your hands this July like many in the past where you’ve done essentially NOTHING to bolster the playoff run
Trade for some difference makers

Name nabes...it's easy to say do this but make names.

Who are you trading for and whom are you trading?

Very very very good question!
Just GET IT DONE Mo/Bloom!!!!
Laughable!!!!

Cuse could you list all the available trading options for the other 29 MLB teams against all the Cards available combinations as MO/Bloom would have at their finger tips…..you know since they are the highly paid POBO’s of the Stl Cardinals MLB teams who only focus on these deals every day.
I’ll be waiting on your list……is that the funny part??
Or is the funny part that this team requires some upgrades which is the responsibility of the Cards POBO’s?
Or perhaps you have a good laugh at everything……Enjoy and Godspeed!!

dugoutrex wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 10:57 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:51 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:44 am Your team is in the playoff hunt and could use some help with SP and bat in OF
As you’ve noticed your stadium looks awkwardly empty…..Cleveland had more fans…..
Instead of sitting on your hands this July like many in the past where you’ve done essentially NOTHING to bolster the playoff run
Trade for some difference makers

I ask though are you wanting a playoff team or a World Series team? Not sure enough moves can be made to achieve the latter. Respect your input.

this is what people said about Arizona a few years ago!

The Cardinals have cleaned up on the White Sox, Nationals and Guardians. Those teams won't be in the playoffs.

Goldfan wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 08:29 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 19:59 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:48 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:44 am Your team is in the playoff hunt and could use some help with SP and bat in OF
As you’ve noticed your stadium looks awkwardly empty…..Cleveland had more fans…..
Instead of sitting on your hands this July like many in the past where you’ve done essentially NOTHING to bolster the playoff run
Trade for some difference makers

Name nabes...it's easy to say do this but make names.

Who are you trading for and whom are you trading?

Very very very good question!
Just GET IT DONE Mo/Bloom!!!!
Laughable!!!!

Cuse could you list all the available trading options for the other 29 MLB teams against all the Cards available combinations as MO/Bloom would have at their finger tips…..you know since they are the highly paid POBO’s of the Stl Cardinals MLB teams who only focus on these deals every day.
I’ll be waiting on your list……is that the funny part??
Or is the funny part that this team requires some upgrades which is the responsibility of the Cards POBO’s?
Or perhaps you have a good laugh at everything……Enjoy and Godspeed!!

No....I can’t list ALL the OPTIONS!
And why should I do YOUR research for you?????
Here’s a thought:
Since YOU DEMAND moves for impact players why don’t YOU make a concerted effort to look into it before doing your USUAL WHINING??
Better yet....forget the Cards and the deadline!
That is just baseball which is after all just entertainment!
You know what is really important?
Curing childhood cancer!
So why don’t you:
1) Take a trip to St. Jude Hospital.
2) Since none of us know anything about curing cancer you can trying whining and demanding action like you do on CT.
3) If the whining and demanding doesn’t cure Cancer maybe you can try holding your breath while you stomp up and down?

Good luck!

Cusecards wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 11:10 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 08:29 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 19:59 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:48 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 07:44 am Your team is in the playoff hunt and could use some help with SP and bat in OF
As you’ve noticed your stadium looks awkwardly empty…..Cleveland had more fans…..
Instead of sitting on your hands this July like many in the past where you’ve done essentially NOTHING to bolster the playoff run
Trade for some difference makers

Name nabes...it's easy to say do this but make names.

Who are you trading for and whom are you trading?

Very very very good question!
Just GET IT DONE Mo/Bloom!!!!
Laughable!!!!

Cuse could you list all the available trading options for the other 29 MLB teams against all the Cards available combinations as MO/Bloom would have at their finger tips…..you know since they are the highly paid POBO’s of the Stl Cardinals MLB teams who only focus on these deals every day.
I’ll be waiting on your list……is that the funny part??
Or is the funny part that this team requires some upgrades which is the responsibility of the Cards POBO’s?
Or perhaps you have a good laugh at everything……Enjoy and Godspeed!!

No....I can’t list ALL the OPTIONS!
And why should I do YOUR research for you?????
Here’s a thought:
Since YOU DEMAND moves for impact players why don’t YOU make a concerted effort to look into it before doing your USUAL WHINING??
Better yet....forget the Cards and the deadline!
That is just baseball which is after all just entertainment!
You know what is really important?
Curing childhood cancer!
So why don’t you:
1) Take a trip to St. Jude Hospital.
2) Since none of us know anything about curing cancer you can trying whining and demanding action like you do on CT.
3) If the whining and demanding doesn’t cure Cancer maybe you can try holding your breath while you stomp up and down?

Good luck!

Sorry Cuse given the strict parameters here on CT dictating conversational topics…..I don’t think curing cancer at St. Judes is allowed as a subject
On the other hand calling out Cards leadership to make a deal in July for a good SP and OF should fly
If you and other jack legs require the names and transactional specifics of said trades I truly apologize but again feel free to post your thoughts

cardsrmyteam wrote: ↑30 Jun 2025 20:11 pm Without giving up the farm (literally), they will probably do nothing.

I could see them making a mistake and moving either Walker or Gorman, but I think the fan base has spoken.

We are not coming back until Mo is gone, regardless of the situation.

That seems to contradict your username