imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 22:14 pm
And that was the one hit he gave up.
Pages called a great game.
How do you know this. Did you watch the replay? That’s a phenomenal stat.
He said it in the post-game interview, on field.
Interesting. Good of Gray to say that about the young catcher.
Recently, a brilliant analyst said this:
"Right now, he is easily the best catcher (defensively) from the group which has populated the roster this year.
The pitching staff and the coaches have made it very clear that he is the one they trust."
Pages is doing a helluva job behind the plate.
And yet we have a thread someone started: "Can we stop with how great Pages is behind the plate"?
Does this guy know anything about baseball?
To a man, the Cardinals throwing the pitches want Pages to be the guy catching the pitches.
My guess is they know a little something about the game.
imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 22:14 pm
And that was the one hit he gave up.
Pages called a great game.
How do you know this. Did you watch the replay? That’s a phenomenal stat.
He said it in the post-game interview, on field.
Interesting. Good of Gray to say that about the young catcher.
Recently, a brilliant analyst said this:
"Right now, he is easily the best catcher (defensively) from the group which has populated the roster this year.
The pitching staff and the coaches have made it very clear that he is the one they trust."
Pages is doing a helluva job behind the plate.
And yet we have a thread someone started: "Can we stop with how great Pages is behind the plate"?
Does this guy know anything about baseball?
To a man, the Cardinals throwing the pitches want Pages to be the guy catching the pitches.
My guess is they know a little something about the game.
Exactly. Wish he had a little better bat but I’ll take a solid defender at that position anytime. You can win with that.
imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 22:14 pm
And that was the one hit he gave up.
Pages called a great game.
How do you know this. Did you watch the replay? That’s a phenomenal stat.
He said it in the post-game interview, on field.
Interesting. Good of Gray to say that about the young catcher.
Recently, a brilliant analyst said this:
"Right now, he is easily the best catcher (defensively) from the group which has populated the roster this year.
The pitching staff and the coaches have made it very clear that he is the one they trust."
Pages is doing a helluva job behind the plate.
And yet we have a thread someone started: "Can we stop with how great Pages is behind the plate"?
imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 22:14 pm
And that was the one hit he gave up.
Pages called a great game.
How do you know this. Did you watch the replay? That’s a phenomenal stat.
He said it in the post-game interview, on field.
Interesting. Good of Gray to say that about the young catcher.
Recently, a brilliant analyst said this:
"Right now, he is easily the best catcher (defensively) from the group which has populated the roster this year.
The pitching staff and the coaches have made it very clear that he is the one they trust."
Pages is doing a helluva job behind the plate.
And yet we have a thread someone started: "Can we stop with how great Pages is behind the plate"?
Does this guy know anything about baseball?
To a man, the Cardinals throwing the pitches want Pages to be the guy catching the pitches.
My guess is they know a little something about the game.
"little", the key word
Not sure where to find Catcher ERA anymore but I'd bet Pages is lowest among the three (Pages, Pozo, Herrera) by over half a run.
imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑27 Jun 2025 22:14 pm
And that was the one hit he gave up.
Pages called a great game.
How do you know this. Did you watch the replay? That’s a phenomenal stat.
He said it in the post-game interview, on field.
Interesting. Good of Gray to say that about the young catcher.
Recently, a brilliant analyst said this:
"Right now, he is easily the best catcher (defensively) from the group which has populated the roster this year.
The pitching staff and the coaches have made it very clear that he is the one they trust."
Pages is doing a helluva job behind the plate.
And yet we have a thread someone started: "Can we stop with how great Pages is behind the plate"?
ClassicO wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:14 am
Yeah, Pages was the key to Gray’s wicked breaking stuff.
Gimme a break.
For many years here, I’ve listened to posters like you denigrate the contributions of a catcher calling a game. I heard it about Yadi for his entire career. It’s ridiculous.
Pages is much a part of that 1 hitter as Gray was.
I’m not denigrating anyone. The concept that any catcher is as much a part of a spectacular outing by a pitcher is myopic and dead wrong. Even if he called every pitch - he didn’t fricking pitch!
ClassicO wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:14 am
Yeah, Pages was the key to Gray’s wicked breaking stuff.
Gimme a break.
For many years here, I’ve listened to posters like you denigrate the contributions of a catcher calling a game. I heard it about Yadi for his entire career. It’s ridiculous.
Pages is much a part of that 1 hitter as Gray was.
I’m not denigrating anyone. The concept that any catcher is as much a part of a spectacular outing by a pitcher is myopic and dead wrong. Even if he called every pitch - he didn’t fricking pitch!
Yea it is weird. So does pages get credit when gray got bombed because he didn’t have his best stuff? Is that on pages? Or both of them? Or does pages only get credit when the pitcher has his best stuff but one of the blame when the pitcher is bad?
ClassicO wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:14 am
Yeah, Pages was the key to Gray’s wicked breaking stuff.
Gimme a break.
For many years here, I’ve listened to posters like you denigrate the contributions of a catcher calling a game. I heard it about Yadi for his entire career. It’s ridiculous.
Pages is much a part of that 1 hitter as Gray was.
I’m not denigrating anyone. The concept that any catcher is as much a part of a spectacular outing by a pitcher is myopic and dead wrong. Even if he called every pitch - he didn’t fricking pitch!
Yea it is weird. So does pages get credit when gray got bombed because he didn’t have his best stuff? Is that on pages? Or both of them? Or does pages only get credit when the pitcher has his best stuff but one of the blame when the pitcher is bad?
Point in fact - Gray was bombed on June 12 by Milwaukee - 6 runs in 4 IP. Pages was catching. Was it Pedro’s fault?
When Sonny gray gave up 6 runs against the brewers I didn’t see one poster say man pages called a terrible game today it was Sonny sucked but gray throws a complete game and it’s man pages called a great game tonight
ClassicO wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:14 am
Yeah, Pages was the key to Gray’s wicked breaking stuff.
Gimme a break.
For many years here, I’ve listened to posters like you denigrate the contributions of a catcher calling a game. I heard it about Yadi for his entire career. It’s ridiculous.
Pages is much a part of that 1 hitter as Gray was.
I’m not denigrating anyone. The concept that any catcher is as much a part of a spectacular outing by a pitcher is myopic and dead wrong. Even if he called every pitch - he didn’t fricking pitch!
Yea it is weird. So does pages get credit when gray got bombed because he didn’t have his best stuff? Is that on pages? Or both of them? Or does pages only get credit when the pitcher has his best stuff but one of the blame when the pitcher is bad?
Point in fact - Gray was bombed on June 12 by Milwaukee - 6 runs in 4 IP. Pages was catching. Was it Pedro’s fault?
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 14:48 pm
When Sonny gray gave up 6 runs against the brewers I didn’t see one poster say man pages called a terrible game today it was Sonny sucked but gray throws a complete game and it’s man pages called a great game tonight
And Pages was catching when he gave up 6 runs on May 2 - again in 4 innings. Dang that Pages … would have been a no-hitter with Yadi.
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ClassicO wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:14 am
Yeah, Pages was the key to Gray’s wicked breaking stuff.
Gimme a break.
For many years here, I’ve listened to posters like you denigrate the contributions of a catcher calling a game. I heard it about Yadi for his entire career. It’s ridiculous.
Pages is much a part of that 1 hitter as Gray was.
I’m not denigrating anyone. The concept that any catcher is as much a part of a spectacular outing by a pitcher is myopic and dead wrong. Even if he called every pitch - he didn’t fricking pitch!
From a physical standpoint I'd agree. He did make the right calls and the diligence and aptitude displayed for knowing how to attack each hitter without the pitcher constantly shaking him off is conducive to establishing and mainting good rhythm and instills confidence between the battery.
Harder to quantify, and if Sonny couldn't land anything, he wouldn't really be able to do anything about it. I guess I'm somewhere in between on this debate. The success wasn't his but he could've disrupted it with poor feel or lack of preparation and execution on his part.
ClassicO wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:14 am
Yeah, Pages was the key to Gray’s wicked breaking stuff.
Gimme a break.
For many years here, I’ve listened to posters like you denigrate the contributions of a catcher calling a game. I heard it about Yadi for his entire career. It’s ridiculous.
Pages is much a part of that 1 hitter as Gray was.
I’m not denigrating anyone. The concept that any catcher is as much a part of a spectacular outing by a pitcher is myopic and dead wrong. Even if he called every pitch - he didn’t fricking pitch!
It is self-evident that the pitcher has more to do with the quality of the pitches than the catcher does.
It is equally evident that pitchers are better with a quality defensive catcher than with a poor quality catcher.
Both statements are true.
ClassicO wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:14 am
Yeah, Pages was the key to Gray’s wicked breaking stuff.
Gimme a break.
For many years here, I’ve listened to posters like you denigrate the contributions of a catcher calling a game. I heard it about Yadi for his entire career. It’s ridiculous.
Pages is much a part of that 1 hitter as Gray was.
I’m not denigrating anyone. The concept that any catcher is as much a part of a spectacular outing by a pitcher is myopic and dead wrong. Even if he called every pitch - he didn’t fricking pitch!
It is self-evident that the pitcher has more to do with the quality of the pitches than the catcher does.
It is equally evident that pitchers are better with a quality defensive catcher than with a poor quality catcher.
Both statements are true.
Champion of the obvious.
But one has far more control over the pitching performance. Guess which one?
OK.
Allow me to qualify my opening post.
Of course, the primary credit for this belongs to SG.
He pitched an historic game, and without him on the mound, none of this is possible at all. It’s also possible that he could’ve pitched that well with a different catcher, I suppose. Fortunately, we will never know.
But, if I may use an admittedly poor analogy, Sonny Gray drove the race car, and Pages was the mechanic. A winning team.
ClassicO wrote: ↑28 Jun 2025 08:14 am
Yeah, Pages was the key to Gray’s wicked breaking stuff.
Gimme a break.
For many years here, I’ve listened to posters like you denigrate the contributions of a catcher calling a game. I heard it about Yadi for his entire career. It’s ridiculous.
Pages is much a part of that 1 hitter as Gray was.
I’m not denigrating anyone. The concept that any catcher is as much a part of a spectacular outing by a pitcher is myopic and dead wrong. Even if he called every pitch - he didn’t fricking pitch!
It is self-evident that the pitcher has more to do with the quality of the pitches than the catcher does.
It is equally evident that pitchers are better with a quality defensive catcher than with a poor quality catcher.
Both statements are true.
Champion of the obvious.
But one has far more control over the pitching performance. Guess which one?
