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Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:16 am
by PadsFS07
I don’t ever want them to lose draft picks for FA signings anymore.

Our depth has been crushed with the loss of all our draft picks over the years. Isaac Parades is the level we should look at.

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:17 am
by sikeston bulldog2
JDW wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:14 am
Cranny wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:12 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:09 am
12xu wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:06 am Great player, would love to see him on the Cardinals - but with the contract he will get, he is bound for LA or NYC.
We all know and say that. But in order for a team to break the high contract hold that LAD and NY have, they gotta just do it.

And, it’s not like he is a high risk player. Chances are you will get a reasonable return of his service.

Solves right field.

It’s a no brainer in the management world.
That’s no more than a dream. The Cards will never outbid the big market teams for a FA. Position player or pitcher.
Just yesterday you told a poster he couldn't know the Cards wouldn't make such a move.
Not only that, you ask for suggestions to improve. But you diss each one.
What’s it gonna be boy, yes or no. You wanna sleep on it?

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:22 am
by sikeston bulldog2
CorneliusWolfe wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:15 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 25 Jun 2025 07:51 am Good morning.

Just a signing away.
Team would trade away Walker, Matz, Mik, and Helmsley and outfield will be Tucker Scott and Burleson.

Infield Willy Donovan Winn Nado. Pages at catcher. Gorman and Herrera at DH.

Staff

Gray
Libby
Pallante
Mcg
Young gun.

Closer- maton or granillo.

That completes year two of reset.
Can't beat landing Tucker but Cards don't seem to play bidding wars. I think they'll repurpose some of that saved payroll...but surprised if that much. KT wants the long-term deal that will mostly play out on the wrong side of 30 and some estimates have him getting near Vlad Jr and Soto $$.

Has a good athletic build so might age better than other power hitting OFers, but I think Cardinals are commited to developing or trading for the next stud OFer and MAYBE still have a sliver of hope for JW. At least the boys are winning and providing some good entertainment while we wait it out.

I would like to add...I hope I'm wrong and you're dream comes true! Tucker would be awesome.
Nice write. It’s so simple. We say we want a hear guys but then we meek out. That’s my point. Sooner it layer we / someone has to break the bank to break this cycle.

Cycle of us not having a real Face to team or superstar, and cycle of studs going only to NY and LA.

Not only do we have a need, but a killer team that Tucker may put over the top.

These type deals come around few times. It’s always been about the timing. Timing is everything.

Nice write.

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:22 am
by Talkin' Baseball
It would make tremendous sense. The Cardinals could do it, if they would do it. Does it make extensions harder? Maybe. You can see the difference he has made in the Cubs offense. It's not just the production he brings- everybody up and down the lineup is better. In addition to Tucker, if he could make each person in the lineup 5-20% more productive, that has great value too. Can one person be 1/3 of your payroll?

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:23 am
by butsir01
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:11 am
Goldfan wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:10 am I was in the trade for Tucker camp…..no reason why this team can’t have ONE stud in OF
Exactly. Just one. We need a Face.
Sometimes this franchise sits on its face.

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:28 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:22 am It would make tremendous sense. The Cardinals could do it, if they would do it. Does it make extensions harder? Maybe. You can see the difference he has made in the Cubs offense. It's not just the production he brings- everybody up and down the lineup is better. In addition to Tucker, if he could make each person in the lineup 5-20% more productive, that has great value too. Can one person be 1/3 of your payroll?
This is my view- Cardinals could make it happen if they would just do it. It’s only money. It’s always money.

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:31 am
by Talkin' Baseball
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:28 am
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:22 am It would make tremendous sense. The Cardinals could do it, if they would do it. Does it make extensions harder? Maybe. You can see the difference he has made in the Cubs offense. It's not just the production he brings- everybody up and down the lineup is better. In addition to Tucker, if he could make each person in the lineup 5-20% more productive, that has great value too. Can one person be 1/3 of your payroll?
This is my view- Cardinals could make it happen if they would just do it. It’s only money. It’s always money.
"It's only money".

Business people don't use that sentence.

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:32 am
by carl racki
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 25 Jun 2025 07:51 am Good morning.

Just a signing away.
Team would trade away Walker, Matz, Mik, and Helmsley and outfield will be Tucker Scott and Burleson.

Infield Willy Donovan Winn Nado. Pages at catcher. Gorman and Herrera at DH.

Staff

Gray
Libby
Pallante
Mcg
Young gun.

Closer- maton or granillo.

That completes year two of reset.
Forgot about Noot. Keeping him and signing Tucker is still a logjam.

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:38 am
by sikeston bulldog2
carl racki wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:32 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 25 Jun 2025 07:51 am Good morning.

Just a signing away.
Team would trade away Walker, Matz, Mik, and Helmsley and outfield will be Tucker Scott and Burleson.

Infield Willy Donovan Winn Nado. Pages at catcher. Gorman and Herrera at DH.

Staff

Gray
Libby
Pallante
Mcg
Young gun.

Closer- maton or granillo.

That completes year two of reset.
Forgot about Noot. Keeping him and signing Tucker is still a logjam.
If a have to make a trade to relieve that logjam I do. Also Noot can be a super sub. With injuries and days off, you could find at bats if pressed to id think.

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:38 am
by 3dender
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:02 am
rbirules wrote: 25 Jun 2025 07:56 am I've been on the sign Kyle Tucker (if the Cubs don't extend him) bandwagon basically since he became a Cub. It makes a lot of sense, but I just don't see ownership going after a top FA like Tucker.
We are in an announced reset. There has to be a reason to reset. Once all assets are in place, they can buy. This should be this off season.

As for never making that big splash, well it shows. We saved all this money for a reason. My thoughts it to spend on two big names. If saving the money for any other reason, wrong move.
Yeah, the reason is that the DeWitts are greedy billionaires.

There was never a plan to spend that money on the back side, they're just permanently lowering payroll going forward and they needed to sell it to fans in a way that wouldn't cause a revolt (they only partially succeeded).

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:41 am
by sikeston bulldog2
3dender wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:38 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:02 am
rbirules wrote: 25 Jun 2025 07:56 am I've been on the sign Kyle Tucker (if the Cubs don't extend him) bandwagon basically since he became a Cub. It makes a lot of sense, but I just don't see ownership going after a top FA like Tucker.
We are in an announced reset. There has to be a reason to reset. Once all assets are in place, they can buy. This should be this off season.

As for never making that big splash, well it shows. We saved all this money for a reason. My thoughts it to spend on two big names. If saving the money for any other reason, wrong move.
Yeah, the reason is that the DeWitts are greedy billionaires.

There was never a plan to spend that money on the back side, they're just permanently lowering payroll going forward and they needed to sell it to fans in a way that wouldn't cause a revolt (they only partially succeeded).
See that hurts me. We have an opportunity to return to greatness. And it’s not far fetched. Two strong moves.

Franchises would kill to be a n our position. Dream come true.

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:49 am
by VegasVinny
The fit was just as perfect six years ago when Harper hit free agency. At that time, Harper was 26. Tucker will be 29. Both are/were pretty safe bets but Harper had quite a bit more upside - and age on his side. The Cards passed then and I'd be shocked if they did anything differently this time around.

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:50 am
by Bomber1
Cranny wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:12 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:09 am
12xu wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:06 am Great player, would love to see him on the Cardinals - but with the contract he will get, he is bound for LA or NYC.
We all know and say that. But in order for a team to break the high contract hold that LAD and NY have, they gotta just do it.

And, it’s not like he is a high risk player. Chances are you will get a reasonable return of his service.

Solves right field.

It’s a no brainer in the management world.
That’s no more than a dream. The Cards will never outbid the big market teams for a FA. Position player or pitcher.
At least you stated the Cardinal FO position properly - the Cardinals COULD outbid them but won’t because they never have and never will delve into the top FA market.

Even the Dodgers, Yankees, and Mets have their salary pool me points.

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:56 am
by sikeston bulldog2
VegasVinny wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:49 am The fit was just as perfect six years ago when Harper hit free agency. At that time, Harper was 26. Tucker will be 29. Both are/were pretty safe bets but Harper had quite a bit more upside - and age on his side. The Cards passed then and I'd be shocked if they did anything differently this time around.
My point you make. We passed then. What has these six years brought?
Here is what many are missing- we are already pretty good. Won’t take much to be a power. Two strong moves. A Sandy type pitcher, and a Tucker type player.

We could do this.

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:57 am
by Cranny
3dender wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:38 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:02 am
rbirules wrote: 25 Jun 2025 07:56 am I've been on the sign Kyle Tucker (if the Cubs don't extend him) bandwagon basically since he became a Cub. It makes a lot of sense, but I just don't see ownership going after a top FA like Tucker.
We are in an announced reset. There has to be a reason to reset. Once all assets are in place, they can buy. This should be this off season.

As for never making that big splash, well it shows. We saved all this money for a reason. My thoughts it to spend on two big names. If saving the money for any other reason, wrong move.
Yeah, the reason is that the DeWitts are greedy billionaires.

There was never a plan to spend that money on the back side, they're just permanently lowering payroll going forward and they needed to sell it to fans in a way that wouldn't cause a revolt (they only partially succeeded).
3dender - Guess you don't know BDW, Jr.

Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.

Posted: 25 Jun 2025 08:59 am
by 3dender
Cranny wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:57 am
3dender wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:38 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 25 Jun 2025 08:02 am
rbirules wrote: 25 Jun 2025 07:56 am I've been on the sign Kyle Tucker (if the Cubs don't extend him) bandwagon basically since he became a Cub. It makes a lot of sense, but I just don't see ownership going after a top FA like Tucker.
We are in an announced reset. There has to be a reason to reset. Once all assets are in place, they can buy. This should be this off season.

As for never making that big splash, well it shows. We saved all this money for a reason. My thoughts it to spend on two big names. If saving the money for any other reason, wrong move.
Yeah, the reason is that the DeWitts are greedy billionaires.

There was never a plan to spend that money on the back side, they're just permanently lowering payroll going forward and they needed to sell it to fans in a way that wouldn't cause a revolt (they only partially succeeded).
3dender - Guess you don't know BDW, Jr.
I know billionaires... you've even admitted they're not planning to spend more money, so we agree on that at least. You just continue to make excuses for why they shouldn't spend it, while I think they have plenty of money to blow and should care more about their fans.