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moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 07:57 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 22:41 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 22:37 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 22:25 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025 21:50 pm To/dr but what is the TB about? Total bases?

Talkin' Baseball

Lol ok. And why would you put it in the thread title?

There are often thread titles using a players name- just helps to distinguish it from others (if there are any)

a players name is not the same as a posters name.. really wierd.. the post already shows the OP's name.. very Shady like

Shady/Hardmaple/1,000othernames

Play nice

Why would any poster want to trade productive, cost controlled players?

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 08:58 am Why would any poster want to trade productive, cost controlled players?

If you do this you get back one slightly better performer. Lose two gain one of same caliber plus upset team chemistry.

Not a good trade.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:09 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 08:58 am Why would any poster want to trade productive, cost controlled players?

If you do this you get back one slightly better performer. Lose two gain one of same caliber plus upset team chemistry.

Not a good trade.

Exactly. You don’t know if they’ll fit in as well.

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:36 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:09 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 08:58 am Why would any poster want to trade productive, cost controlled players?

If you do this you get back one slightly better performer. Lose two gain one of same caliber plus upset team chemistry.

Not a good trade.

Exactly. You don’t know if they’ll fit in as well.

The move is to go all n Kyle Tucker. That’s a franchise change.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:41 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:36 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:09 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 08:58 am Why would any poster want to trade productive, cost controlled players?

If you do this you get back one slightly better performer. Lose two gain one of same caliber plus upset team chemistry.

Not a good trade.

Exactly. You don’t know if they’ll fit in as well.

The move is to go all n Kyle Tucker. That’s a franchise change.

If the Cardinals could move Arenado and Gray they could sign Tucker without payroll changing much. However, the Cardinals aren't signing Tucker whether they move these two, or not.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 10:52 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:41 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:36 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:09 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 08:58 am Why would any poster want to trade productive, cost controlled players?

If you do this you get back one slightly better performer. Lose two gain one of same caliber plus upset team chemistry.

Not a good trade.

Exactly. You don’t know if they’ll fit in as well.

The move is to go all n Kyle Tucker. That’s a franchise change.

If the Cardinals could move Arenado and Gray they could sign Tucker without payroll changing much. However, the Cardinals aren't signing Tucker whether they move these two, or not.

I hear ya. But it’s the kind of move that must be made if we are serious and want to be a league power. Why else reset.

It’s only money. As noted, payroll changes minimal.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 10:52 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:41 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:36 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:09 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 08:58 am Why would any poster want to trade productive, cost controlled players?

If you do this you get back one slightly better performer. Lose two gain one of same caliber plus upset team chemistry.

Not a good trade.

Exactly. You don’t know if they’ll fit in as well.

The move is to go all n Kyle Tucker. That’s a franchise change.

If the Cardinals could move Arenado and Gray they could sign Tucker without payroll changing much. However, the Cardinals aren't signing Tucker whether they move these two, or not.

You don't know that.

NO and NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 11:24 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 10:52 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:41 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:36 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:09 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 08:58 am Why would any poster want to trade productive, cost controlled players?

If you do this you get back one slightly better performer. Lose two gain one of same caliber plus upset team chemistry.

Not a good trade.

Exactly. You don’t know if they’ll fit in as well.

The move is to go all n Kyle Tucker. That’s a franchise change.

If the Cardinals could move Arenado and Gray they could sign Tucker without payroll changing much. However, the Cardinals aren't signing Tucker whether they move these two, or not.

You don't know that.

Yes he does.

BDWJr isn't going to give Tucker a $375-400M deal.

He'll never give any player that.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 14:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 11:24 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 10:52 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:41 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:36 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:09 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 08:58 am Why would any poster want to trade productive, cost controlled players?

If you do this you get back one slightly better performer. Lose two gain one of same caliber plus upset team chemistry.

Not a good trade.

Exactly. You don’t know if they’ll fit in as well.

The move is to go all n Kyle Tucker. That’s a franchise change.

If the Cardinals could move Arenado and Gray they could sign Tucker without payroll changing much. However, the Cardinals aren't signing Tucker whether they move these two, or not.

You don't know that.

Yes he does.

BDWJr isn't going to give Tucker a $375-400M deal.

He'll never give any player that.

Finally an example of what will happen. We ain’t Paying; so we ain’t playing with the big boys. Just that simple. Bravo.

Nice post and good discussion -- no chance TB is shady, he is offering too much analysis and even making suggestions. The birds may not get to choose whom they trade, somebody has to want what they have and be willing to match what the cards will be asking for in return. This is why i believe you have to make everyone available and have a price in mind for each player. If you get an offer that matches or comes close or even exceeds what you want you start talking. The bigger problem?? Other teams will be doing the same thing.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 15:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 14:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 11:24 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 10:52 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:41 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:36 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:09 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 08:58 am Why would any poster want to trade productive, cost controlled players?

If you do this you get back one slightly better performer. Lose two gain one of same caliber plus upset team chemistry.

Not a good trade.

Exactly. You don’t know if they’ll fit in as well.

The move is to go all n Kyle Tucker. That’s a franchise change.

If the Cardinals could move Arenado and Gray they could sign Tucker without payroll changing much. However, the Cardinals aren't signing Tucker whether they move these two, or not.

You don't know that.

Yes he does.

BDWJr isn't going to give Tucker a $375-400M deal.

He'll never give any player that.

Finally an example of what will happen. We ain’t Paying; so we ain’t playing with the big boys. Just that simple. Bravo.

Do you think we can spend like the big dogs?

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 15:47 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 15:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 14:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 11:24 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 10:52 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:41 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:36 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:09 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 08:58 am Why would any poster want to trade productive, cost controlled players?

If you do this you get back one slightly better performer. Lose two gain one of same caliber plus upset team chemistry.

Not a good trade.

Exactly. You don’t know if they’ll fit in as well.

The move is to go all n Kyle Tucker. That’s a franchise change.

If the Cardinals could move Arenado and Gray they could sign Tucker without payroll changing much. However, the Cardinals aren't signing Tucker whether they move these two, or not.

You don't know that.

Yes he does.

BDWJr isn't going to give Tucker a $375-400M deal.

He'll never give any player that.

Finally an example of what will happen. We ain’t Paying; so we ain’t playing with the big boys. Just that simple. Bravo.

Do you think we can spend like the big dogs?

Doesn’t matter. That’s the new game in sports/ big money. Till we spend, we must trade or develop. We o Pujols. Molina. Same time.

That won’t happen again in our time.

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 15:47 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 15:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 14:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 11:24 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 10:52 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:41 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:36 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:09 am

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 08:58 am Why would any poster want to trade productive, cost controlled players?

If you do this you get back one slightly better performer. Lose two gain one of same caliber plus upset team chemistry.

Not a good trade.

Exactly. You don’t know if they’ll fit in as well.

The move is to go all n Kyle Tucker. That’s a franchise change.

If the Cardinals could move Arenado and Gray they could sign Tucker without payroll changing much. However, the Cardinals aren't signing Tucker whether they move these two, or not.

You don't know that.

Yes he does.

BDWJr isn't going to give Tucker a $375-400M deal.

He'll never give any player that.

Finally an example of what will happen. We ain’t Paying; so we ain’t playing with the big boys. Just that simple. Bravo.

Do you think we can spend like the big dogs?

sure they can but there is a lot more risk for a middle mkt team -- i don't think they should until after the next CBA.