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Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 15:05 pm
by An Old Friend
3dender wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:54 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:53 pm
82birds wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:42 pm
Not how I want him being called up.
agree.
I hadn't heard about Herrera.
What is the issue?
hamstring
Should mean Gorman and Burleson are in the lineup most of the time, both have earned it
How can they both play at the same time if Saggese is playing? Donny goes to LF, Noot goes to RF, and Walker/Burleson/Gorman fight over DH.
Unless Noot to CF?
I'm implying that Saggese is on the bench.
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 15:08 pm
by Basil Shabazz
No secret with me that I think Oli slurps seeds, but playing Herrera at catcher sometimes allows him to put an offense-first lineup out there. I have no issue with Herrera playing some catcher.
Oli has screwed enough other stuff up, no need to blame this one on him.
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 15:08 pm
by ICCFIM2
3dender wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:54 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:53 pm
82birds wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:42 pm
Not how I want him being called up.
agree.
I hadn't heard about Herrera.
What is the issue?
hamstring
Should mean Gorman and Burleson are in the lineup most of the time, both have earned it
How can they both play at the same time if Saggese is playing? Donny goes to LF, Noot goes to RF, and Walker/Burleson/Gorman fight over DH.
Unless Noot to CF?
Burleson is hitting 400 in June, he is not fighting for playing time...Right now the sure starters are
Arenado 3B
Pages C
Winn SS
Scott CF
Contreras 1B
Donovan Wherever
Burleson RF or DH
That leaves 2 spots for Nootbar, Walker, Saggese and Gorman each game. Saggese has more flexibility than Herrera so if Mormol wants to sit one of the other 8 players each game, that means each of the remaning 4 guys can play 3 out of 4 games or 120 games per year, which is fine. That gives playing time for everyone.
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 15:09 pm
by ClassicO
riff raff wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 15:03 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:57 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:53 pm
John Denton
@JohnDenton555
The #STLCards announced that catcher/DH Ivan Herrera was placed on the 10-day Injured List with a left hamstring strain.
Infielder Thomas Saggese (#25) has been recalled from Memphis (AAA) and will be active tonight vs. the #Reds.
Why are they catching him? Poor catcher, leg issue earlier in seasons, need bat.
Please Oli explain your thought process here. Got Pages and POZO……
The only reason I can think of is to get make playing time for someone else. Gorman?
Correct.
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 15:10 pm
by Futuregm2
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 15:08 pm
3dender wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:54 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:53 pm
82birds wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:42 pm
Not how I want him being called up.
agree.
I hadn't heard about Herrera.
What is the issue?
hamstring
Should mean Gorman and Burleson are in the lineup most of the time, both have earned it
How can they both play at the same time if Saggese is playing? Donny goes to LF, Noot goes to RF, and Walker/Burleson/Gorman fight over DH.
Unless Noot to CF?
Burleson is hitting 400 in June, he is not fighting for playing time...Right now the sure starters are
Arenado 3B
Pages C
Winn SS
Scott CF
Contreras 1B
Donovan Wherever
Burleson RF or DH
That leaves 2 spots for Nootbar, Walker, Saggese and Gorman each game. Saggese has more flexibility than Herrera so if Mormol wants to sit one of the other 8 players each game, that means each of the remaning 4 guys can play 3 out of 4 games or 120 games per year, which is fine. That gives playing time for everyone.
And Gorman has a .946 OPS in June, so he’s earned some PT with that.
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 15:25 pm
by cardstatman
Past 30 days
Off + Def RAA
+3.4 Willson Contreras 1B
+3.2 Alec Burleson LF
+3.2 Nolan Gorman DH
+1.9 Brendan Donovan 2B
+0.3 Masyn Winn SS
+0.2 Nolan Arenado 3B
-0.4 Pedro Pages C
-0.6 Jordan Walker RF
-1.9 Victor Scott CF
-1.6 Ivan Herrera IL
-6.0 Lars Nootbar OF - fell off a cliff
???? Thomas Saggese IF - has been playing well in AAA
???? Jose Barrero UT - invisible man
???? Yohel Pozo - backup C
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 15:30 pm
by bccardsfan
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 15:08 pm
No secret with me that I think Oli slurps seeds, but playing Herrera at catcher sometimes allows him to put an offense-first lineup out there. I have no issue with Herrera playing some catcher.
Oli has screwed enough other stuff up, no need to blame this one on him.
I am with you on this and I am an Oli-basher. Once or twice a week behind the plate. Is there any news stating IH hurt the hammy catching? Could have been running the bases too. He has been hitting well again.... Anyone read that is was due to catching?
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 15:32 pm
by hmoss859
Mystery injury for Herrera?
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 15:47 pm
by thetank2
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 15:04 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:57 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:53 pm
John Denton
@JohnDenton555
The #STLCards announced that catcher/DH Ivan Herrera was placed on the 10-day Injured List with a left hamstring strain.
Infielder Thomas Saggese (#25) has been recalled from Memphis (AAA) and will be active tonight vs. the #Reds.
Why are they catching him? Poor catcher, leg issue earlier in seasons, need bat.
Please Oli explain your thought process here. Got Pages and POZO……
Oli has no sensible reason for anything. He follows Mo's orders. Neither should be constructing rosters or making lineups.
The same old from you. Just on here to criticize.
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 15:55 pm
by WLTFE
thetank2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 15:47 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 15:04 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:57 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:53 pm
John Denton
@JohnDenton555
The #STLCards announced that catcher/DH Ivan Herrera was placed on the 10-day Injured List with a left hamstring strain.
Infielder Thomas Saggese (#25) has been recalled from Memphis (AAA) and will be active tonight vs. the #Reds.
Why are they catching him? Poor catcher, leg issue earlier in seasons, need bat.
Please Oli explain your thought process here. Got Pages and POZO……
Oli has no sensible reason for anything. He follows Mo's orders. Neither should be constructing rosters or making lineups.
The same old from you. Just on here to criticize.
Yawn...your Mo-ran kneepads are showing!
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 16:00 pm
by craviduce
John Denton
@JohnDenton555
·
1m
#STLCards DH/catcher Iván Herrera said an MRI taken today in St. Louis showed a Grade 2 strain in his left hamstring. He said he has been told he will miss “two to six weeks.”
He was warned that if he continued to play on the strain that it could lead to a season-ending injury.
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 16:09 pm
by Shady
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 15:08 pm
3dender wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:54 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:53 pm
82birds wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:51 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:42 pm
Not how I want him being called up.
agree.
I hadn't heard about Herrera.
What is the issue?
hamstring
Should mean Gorman and Burleson are in the lineup most of the time, both have earned it
How can they both play at the same time if Saggese is playing? Donny goes to LF, Noot goes to RF, and Walker/Burleson/Gorman fight over DH.
Unless Noot to CF?
Burleson is hitting 400 in June, he is not fighting for playing time...Right now the sure starters are
Arenado 3B
Pages C
Winn SS
Scott CF
Contreras 1B
Donovan Wherever
Burleson RF or DH
That leaves 2 spots for Nootbar, Walker, Saggese and Gorman each game. Saggese has more flexibility than Herrera so if Mormol wants to sit one of the other 8 players each game, that means each of the remaning 4 guys can play 3 out of 4 games or 120 games per year, which is fine. That gives playing time for everyone.
Why not Burly RF, Donny LF, Saggese 2B and Gorman DH? Noot late defensive replacement/PH.
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 16:11 pm
by ClassicO
craviduce wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:00 pm
John Denton
@JohnDenton555
·
1m
#STLCards DH/catcher Iván Herrera said an MRI taken today in St. Louis showed a Grade 2 strain in his left hamstring. He said he has been told he will miss “two to six weeks.”
He was warned that if he continued to play on the strain that it could lead to a season-ending injury.
This makes the decision to have him catch the past few weeks highly questionable.
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 16:19 pm
by thetank2
ClassicO wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:11 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:00 pm
John Denton
@JohnDenton555
·
1m
#STLCards DH/catcher Iván Herrera said an MRI taken today in St. Louis showed a Grade 2 strain in his left hamstring. He said he has been told he will miss “two to six weeks.”
He was warned that if he continued to play on the strain that it could lead to a season-ending injury.
This makes the decision to have him catch the past few weeks highly questionable.
A young player is that fragile? He'll be fragile running the bases.
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 16:21 pm
by Mort Gage
craviduce wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 16:00 pm
John Denton
@JohnDenton555
·
1m
#STLCards DH/catcher Iván Herrera said an MRI taken today in St. Louis showed a Grade 2 strain in his left hamstring. He said he has been told he will miss “two to six weeks.”
He was warned that if he continued to play on the strain that it could lead to a season-ending injury.
Grade 2, ugh. See him some time after the All Star break.
Re: Saggese called up
Posted: 20 Jun 2025 16:59 pm
by JuanAgosto
thetank2 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 15:47 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 15:04 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:57 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑20 Jun 2025 14:53 pm
John Denton
@JohnDenton555
The #STLCards announced that catcher/DH Ivan Herrera was placed on the 10-day Injured List with a left hamstring strain.
Infielder Thomas Saggese (#25) has been recalled from Memphis (AAA) and will be active tonight vs. the #Reds.
Why are they catching him? Poor catcher, leg issue earlier in seasons, need bat.
Please Oli explain your thought process here. Got Pages and POZO……
Oli has no sensible reason for anything. He follows Mo's orders. Neither should be constructing rosters or making lineups.
The same old from you. Just on here to criticize.
When the pud does something worth complimenting, I will. But that occurs far less than the pud moves he usually makes.