Lots of teams Calling on Power

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Re: Lots of teams Calling on Power

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noted wrote: 19 Jun 2025 22:25 pm
theograce wrote: 19 Jun 2025 22:23 pm
noted wrote: 19 Jun 2025 22:01 pm
theograce wrote: 19 Jun 2025 21:16 pm
noted wrote: 19 Jun 2025 21:06 pm
bluetunehead wrote: 19 Jun 2025 19:18 pm
Cardsfan1586 wrote: 19 Jun 2025 19:03 pm What’s your offer? And where do you play him if we have Fowler, Broberg, Tucker?
Well he’s better than all three.
The only one he is currently better than is Tucker. He has the potential to be the best of the bunch but Broberg and Fowler are better than Power on 6/19/25
Broberg is not better right now. Come on now. He gets manhandled and has so much learning to do away from the puck. Even with the puck lots of growing
You think Broberg gets manhandled? Have you watched Owen Power play in the NHL?

Broberg - GF% 63.3 / DFF% 50.4 / REL DFF% 2
Power - GF% 48.4 / DFF% 48.5 / REL DFF% -0.30
I’ve watched both play. I don’t think Broberg got manhandled. I know he did…to the extent a 160 pound goaltender felt the need to protect him while he turned his back snd went limp. Imagine the Panthers against him lol
So just not going to address the facts that Broberg was a better player…ok - not worth time
I’ve watched both guy. You can put up anything you like. You’re right…not worth the time
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Re: Lots of teams Calling on Power

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So seeing some statistical stuff being thrown around, i gotta be honest, we're looking at power a bit wrong. It's like looking at Fowler in Anaheim and saying "why did we get this guy". Pretty sure by the end of the season other teams were saying 'how did they get this guy for so little' because suddenly he went from negative values on corsi and other metrics to positive. he went way higher in offensive shares and his defensive shares returned to form.

Anyways, if Buffalo is dumb enough to trade him, you sort out how much it takes. We're close to good enough to make a playoff run, but he would likely give us a longer runway to be good so i'd be ok with moving a bit sideways short term if thats what it took. However, i suspect most teams will be kicking tires, and that the price will be quite high. I would hope that their GM isn't that big of a fool for their fans sake and that he realizes how bad they need veteran leadership in their middle 6 tier to kinda push them into a more hungry competitive style of play, right now that team is too young to get it i feel.
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Re: Lots of teams Calling on Power

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JoshInFenton wrote: 19 Jun 2025 22:47 pm So seeing some statistical stuff being thrown around, i gotta be honest
That’s the problem. Guys think they are stats heros here.

They would have said the same about jones in Chicago

Laughing
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Re: Lots of teams Calling on Power

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Just looked it up for curiosity sakes, how the heck does a 6ft 6 defenseman only record 26 hits in a season? He should be registering hits for accidentally bumping into guys.
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Younghopp1991 wrote: 20 Jun 2025 06:01 am Just looked it up for curiosity sakes, how the heck does a 6ft 6 defenseman only record 26 hits in a season? He should be registering hits for accidentally bumping into guys.
Because Power currently plays like a paper tiger. He could be good if got proper coaching but he’s not right now.

theograce pretending like he knows anything about hockey rather than just being the troll that he lives to be is all that is happening here again
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Re: Lots of teams Calling on Power

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Sudsy 11 wrote: 19 Jun 2025 22:25 pm
Atlantis17A wrote: 19 Jun 2025 22:18 pm Byrum’s numbers tanked when not paired with Dahlin which was more than half of his playing time. Broberg is also bigger, has better analytics and I saw no problems with his physicality. We also have several left handed defenseman in the system. I like Byram but I would pass.
Broberg was also + 9 in the Winnipeg series and is +20 in 27 playoff games. Blues fans may be underestimating how good he is already becuase his scoring pace decreased after returning from injury early in the year.
BLUES FANS know how good he is.
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Atlantis17A wrote: 19 Jun 2025 22:18 pm Byrum’s numbers tanked when not paired with Dahlin which was more than half of his playing time. Broberg is also bigger, has better analytics and I saw no problems with his physicality. We also have several left handed defenseman in the system. I like Byram but I would pass.
Byrum's concussion history makes him a "hard no" for me.
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Re: Lots of teams Calling on Power

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noted wrote: 20 Jun 2025 06:17 am
Younghopp1991 wrote: 20 Jun 2025 06:01 am Just looked it up for curiosity sakes, how the heck does a 6ft 6 defenseman only record 26 hits in a season? He should be registering hits for accidentally bumping into guys.
Because Power currently plays like a paper tiger. He could be good if got proper coaching but he’s not right now.
Broberg is 6’4 … how many hits does he have in his career?
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theograce wrote: 19 Jun 2025 22:53 pm They would have said the same about jones in Chicago
He was terrible in Chicago - he made the most and gave the least effort.
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If he was an RD, yes he would be worth the assets to get him. No way I'm spending assets to add to a position that doesn't need to be fixed. We've got current roster players who play well and Broberg is young with some upside as he continues to develop. Our pipeline of prospects on D is also largely LDs. Whatever assets it would cost would be better spent on a RD or C.
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Re: Lots of teams Calling on Power

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We don't need Owen Power, not to mention the cost it would take to acquire him. What in the name of all that's holy is going on here?
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Re: Lots of teams Calling on Power

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theograce wrote: 20 Jun 2025 08:08 am
noted wrote: 20 Jun 2025 06:17 am
Younghopp1991 wrote: 20 Jun 2025 06:01 am Just looked it up for curiosity sakes, how the heck does a 6ft 6 defenseman only record 26 hits in a season? He should be registering hits for accidentally bumping into guys.
Because Power currently plays like a paper tiger. He could be good if got proper coaching but he’s not right now.
Broberg is 6’4 … how many hits does he have in his career?
Last year Broberg had 43 hits in 68 games = 0.63 hits/game
Last year Power had 26 hits in 79 games - 0.33 hits/game

Just keep stepping into the batters box and wiffing away theo
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Re: Lots of teams Calling on Power

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noted wrote: 20 Jun 2025 08:57 am
theograce wrote: 20 Jun 2025 08:08 am
noted wrote: 20 Jun 2025 06:17 am
Younghopp1991 wrote: 20 Jun 2025 06:01 am Just looked it up for curiosity sakes, how the heck does a 6ft 6 defenseman only record 26 hits in a season? He should be registering hits for accidentally bumping into guys.
Because Power currently plays like a paper tiger. He could be good if got proper coaching but he’s not right now.
Broberg is 6’4 … how many hits does he have in his career?
Last year Broberg had 43 hits in 68 games = 0.63 hits/game
Last year Power had 26 hits in 79 games - 0.33 hits/game

Just keep stepping into the batters box and wiffing away theo
Oh I’m aware. That physical force Broberg that needed Binnington to save him.

For a guy who said no point … you sure see one one now
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Re: Lots of teams Calling on Power

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BalotelliMassive wrote: 20 Jun 2025 08:17 am
theograce wrote: 19 Jun 2025 22:53 pm They would have said the same about jones in Chicago
He was terrible in Chicago - he made the most and gave the least effort.
And now a SC coach gave him the most ATOI on a Cup team. That’s the point
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Re: Lots of teams Calling on Power

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theograce wrote: 20 Jun 2025 09:27 am
BalotelliMassive wrote: 20 Jun 2025 08:17 am
theograce wrote: 19 Jun 2025 22:53 pm They would have said the same about jones in Chicago
He was terrible in Chicago - he made the most and gave the least effort.
And now a SC coach gave him the most ATOI on a Cup team. That’s the point
Yup...he was the sole reason why that team was great...
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Re: Lots of teams Calling on Power

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noted wrote: 19 Jun 2025 22:01 pm
theograce wrote: 19 Jun 2025 21:16 pm
noted wrote: 19 Jun 2025 21:06 pm
bluetunehead wrote: 19 Jun 2025 19:18 pm
Cardsfan1586 wrote: 19 Jun 2025 19:03 pm What’s your offer? And where do you play him if we have Fowler, Broberg, Tucker?
Well he’s better than all three.
The only one he is currently better than is Tucker. He has the potential to be the best of the bunch but Broberg and Fowler are better than Power on 6/19/25
Broberg is not better right now. Come on now. He gets manhandled and has so much learning to do away from the puck. Even with the puck lots of growing
You think Broberg gets manhandled? Have you watched Owen Power play in the NHL?

Broberg - GF% 63.3 / DFF% 50.4 / REL DFF% 2
Power - GF% 48.4 / DFF% 48.5 / REL DFF% -0.30
Don't quote stats and facts. Some people hate that stuff. :D

There is always the question with players like Broberg or Power if they are products of their team (good or bad). We know in Broberg we have that player you listed, he will grow, and the cost was very reasonable. There is no way you can get Power for a cost that low and no guarantee he will work out as well as say Seth Jones has. The asset cost for Power isn't worth it for Power.
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