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Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

OldRed wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 09:56 am

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 09:26 am Saggese has had 26 home runs in 776 AAA plate appearances. Who do posters say he has less than average power?

He also strikes out 25% of his at bats.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

12xu wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:24 am

3dender wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:05 am .319/.405/.450 for an .855 OPS with 5 HR and 24 RBI in 41 games.

If this org was smart they already woulda been giving him OF reps so that he can be a Donovan-like super-ute guy and not just one more MI who is blocked at the MLB level. But it's never too late to start.

Agree. There is far more opportunity for him as a RH batter in the St. Louis OF if he can transition to left field. Seems to me that he could easily handle the move, given the proper time to learn the position.

Right now, he is blocked at SS by Winn, 2B by Donovan and Gorman, 3B by Arenado and Gorman - plus JJ Wetherholt will soon be competing with him for these positions. He has played over 500 games as a professional, all on the infield, why not give him some instruction and playing time at the easier position of LF?

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

That's the problem.

Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief ) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.

Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.

I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.

And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.

I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.

But I still bring up Saggese.

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

That's the problem.

Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief ) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.

Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.

I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.

And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.

I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.

But I still bring up Saggese.

Oli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.

Wattage wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:44 am

12xu wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:24 am

3dender wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:05 am .319/.405/.450 for an .855 OPS with 5 HR and 24 RBI in 41 games.

If this org was smart they already woulda been giving him OF reps so that he can be a Donovan-like super-ute guy and not just one more MI who is blocked at the MLB level. But it's never too late to start.

Agree. There is far more opportunity for him as a RH batter in the St. Louis OF if he can transition to left field. Seems to me that he could easily handle the move, given the proper time to learn the position.

Right now, he is blocked at SS by Winn, 2B by Donovan and Gorman, 3B by Arenado and Gorman - plus JJ Wetherholt will soon be competing with him for these positions. He has played over 500 games as a professional, all on the infield, why not give him some instruction and playing time at the easier position of LF?

Wouldnt it just be easier to have donovan play lf and him 2b though instead of having to teach him outfield. Granted increasing versatility can never hurt.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

That's the problem.

Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief ) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.

Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.

I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.

And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.

I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.

But I still bring up Saggese.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 am

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

That's the problem.

Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief ) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.

Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.

I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.

And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.

I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.

But I still bring up Saggese.

Oli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.

Yea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).

But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.

Wattage wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:11 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

That's the problem.

Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief ) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.

Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.

I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.

And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.

I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.

But I still bring up Saggese.

At this point, therebis 0 reason for oli to keep treating nolan arenado as a 150+ game starter. He isnt part of the future. I realize you dont want to bench veterans for all youth and puss them all off just cuz they arent future and still field competitive product by not benching all guys like contrwras, but arenados performance doesnt justify it either.


Im not say you go full nuclear and banish arenado to bench like barrero, but why cant he start more like 110-125 games. He isnt the future nor is he giving us performance worthy of that playing time. His trade value is shot and even if he waoved ntc, itd be difficult to move him, but we dont need to have him totally blick our rebuild.

Maybe hed perform better with less playing time too. Hes getting older now and doesnt need to be treated as iron man.

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 am

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

That's the problem.

Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief ) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.

Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.

I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.

And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.

I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.

But I still bring up Saggese.

Oli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.

Yea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).

But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.

Hope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:55 am

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 am

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

That's the problem.

Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief ) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.

Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.

I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.

And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.

I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.

But I still bring up Saggese.

Oli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.

Yea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).

But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.

Hope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.

Admit it cranny, you're nothing more than a toady front office footstool for BDWJr & Mo to rest their feet upon, right?

Mo's an idiot, guy messed up this franchise and should've been fired years ago.

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:13 am

OldRed wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 09:56 am

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 09:26 am Saggese has had 26 home runs in 776 AAA plate appearances. Who do posters say he has less than average power?

He also strikes out 25% of his at bats.

Gotta look at the overall picture, Red. He played some at AAA when he was 21 years old. Played the full season at AAA last season as a 22 year old. He just turned 23 in April. He's a kid. The average AAA player is between 25 and 28.