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Charles King wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 13:50 pm McGreevy has not pitched well his last 2 starts

nope
got lit up

11WSChamps wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 16:48 pm Either way its about money.

Whether its service time or Mikolas' contract keeping him in the rotation.

I don't see McGreevy as anything but a 4 or 5 starter anyway so it probably doesn't matter when it comes to wins and losses.

It’s not service time.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 16:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 16:48 pm Either way its about money.

Whether its service time or Mikolas' contract keeping him in the rotation.

I don't see McGreevy as anything but a 4 or 5 starter anyway so it probably doesn't matter when it comes to wins and losses.

It’s not service time.

I said it doesn't matter its about money.

Coming or going.

Can someone tell me what year the Cardinals will have the just the right time for young talented players to be in STL during the perfect time that the good current players are here(before they are let go) and the exact time thats comfortable for BDW to add $$ vets either by trade or FA that would compose a dominant winning MLB team??
Let me know the year please!! Thanks

11WSChamps wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 16:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 16:48 pm Either way its about money.

Whether its service time or Mikolas' contract keeping him in the rotation.

I don't see McGreevy as anything but a 4 or 5 starter anyway so it probably doesn't matter when it comes to wins and losses.

It’s not service time.

I said it doesn't matter its about money.

Coming or going.

Right, but you suggested that it could be about service time, and it’s not. That’s all.

The penny-pinching Cardinals cleverly signed these guys so they could delay "Cy" McGreevy's free agency for a year.

$25M Gray
$16M Mikolas
$12.5M Matz
$7.5M Fedde
$2.1M Pallante

They moved Matz to the BP to make room for Liberatore.
However, they have singled out McGreevy for their evil service time manipulation scheme.

MLB rosters have 26 players including 13 pitchers plus whoever is injured. If McGreevy is not getting service time, then someone else is getting service time.

Now if the Cards start carrying only 24 players on the MLB roster or refusing to put injured players on the IL, you may be onto something...

McGreevy has about 24 days of service time so far in his career.

He could be on the MLB roster today through the end of the year and it would not affect his free agent year or his first arbitration year.

He is simply awaiting an opportunity.

The Cardinal pitchers are simply having an amazingly healthy season with the one exception of Zack Thompson, who is collecting an MLB paycheck probably for the entire 2025 season while being on the IL. If he was not on the MLB IL, he would certainly not be on the MLB roster and the Cards would be setting a record by having 0 pitchers on the IL all season.

The problem is that the Cardinals pitchers are just about league average even though they are 100% healthy.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 17:37 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 16:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 16:48 pm Either way its about money.

Whether its service time or Mikolas' contract keeping him in the rotation.

I don't see McGreevy as anything but a 4 or 5 starter anyway so it probably doesn't matter when it comes to wins and losses.

It’s not service time.

I said it doesn't matter its about money.

Coming or going.

Right, but you suggested that it could be about service time, and it’s not. That’s all.

Good Lord.

As someone pointed out he has simply not pitched well recently and the club may want to see a few good outings before bringing him up

RipRipulski wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 22:58 pm As someone pointed out he has simply not pitched well recently and the club may want to see a few good outings before bringing him up

That isn’t why he’s not up.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑14 Jun 2025 14:29 pm The Cardinals are not manipulating anyone's service time. This has been demonstrated over and over again. McGreevy belongs in the rotation and until there is an injury or they move Pallante to the bullpen, opportunity isn't there.

My god man, have you not seen Mikolas and Fedde pitched this year. The Lizard Man has more wins (6?) than I thought he’d garner, but mostly he’s pitched batting practice for the opposing team (see his last start). And Fedde has been terrible all year. Pallante looks like Cy Young compared to those two. Sorry, I just can’t buy your thesis. I think the Cardinal Brass knows the team will not make the playoffs whether McGreevy is in the rotation or not, so why burn his future?

EastCoastDave wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 07:17 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑14 Jun 2025 14:29 pm The Cardinals are not manipulating anyone's service time. This has been demonstrated over and over again. McGreevy belongs in the rotation and until there is an injury or they move Pallante to the bullpen, opportunity isn't there.

My god man, have you not seen Mikolas and Fedde pitched this year. The Lizard Man has more wins (6?) than I thought he’d garner, but mostly he’s pitched batting practice for the opposing team (see his last start). And Fedde has been terrible all year. Pallante looks like Cy Young compared to those two. Sorry, I just can’t buy your thesis. I think the Cardinal Brass knows the team will not make the playoffs whether McGreevy is in the rotation or not, so why burn his future?

So you truly believe they’re manipulating his service time?

They’re not. Of all people, why would they choose that now with him?

This is a Mozeliak thing, not a service time thing. McGreevy isn’t good enough or young enough for this to even apply.

Having a hard time understanding why people believe Cards don’t play with service time like every club in the league does. Management doesn’t believe they get anywhere this year; hence the word reset. More concerned about future than present.

That's possible but his H/9 have been upside down at every level of minor league ball and college. Unlikely they would manipulate service time on a 25 year old player who will likely be at best a 4/5 starter.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 08:23 am That's possible but his H/9 have been upside down at every level of minor league ball and college. Unlikely they would manipulate service time on a 25 year old player who will likely be at best a 4/5 starter.

+1 its ridiculous to think they are manipulating the time of a middle to the back of the rotation arm not even the teams that actually do manipulate time do that.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑14 Jun 2025 14:29 pm The Cardinals are not manipulating anyone's service time. This has been demonstrated over and over again. McGreevy belongs in the rotation and until there is an injury or they move Pallante to the bullpen, opportunity isn't there.

Reset....let the young kids play...see what we have...if that's true then they know what they have with him and it's all about service time