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BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 22:47 pm

Shady wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 22:14 pm

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:56 pm

Baseball Dude wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:09 pm About to lose our 8th game out of the last 11. Pitching has faltered in all aspects, offense is feast or famine, emphasis on famine when it counts.

Who goes first and what does the return look like? Not a lot of pieces that need to move would fetch much at all, is everyone available?

Fedde, Mikolas, Matz, Arenado, Sagesse, Prieto and Crooks are all available for pitching and outfield prospects. RH gets a QO.

What about Helsley and Gorman ?

RH gets a QO. Gorman gets lots of playing time in August and September.

Braund241 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:14 pm

Baseball Dude wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:09 pm About to lose our 8th game out of the last 11. Pitching has faltered in all aspects, offense is feast or famine, emphasis on famine when it counts.

Who goes first and what does the return look like? Not a lot of pieces that need to move would fetch much at all, is everyone available?

Well Mo is still in charge. He is not a baseball man. The incompetence is astounding. Team as I have said for years will be horrible for a very long time, unless the owners are willing to buy major league talent. Most of this group are minor league talent.

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑13 Jun 2025 07:25 am

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 22:47 pm

Shady wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 22:14 pm

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:56 pm

Baseball Dude wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:09 pm About to lose our 8th game out of the last 11. Pitching has faltered in all aspects, offense is feast or famine, emphasis on famine when it counts.

Who goes first and what does the return look like? Not a lot of pieces that need to move would fetch much at all, is everyone available?

Fedde, Mikolas, Matz, Arenado, Sagesse, Prieto and Crooks are all available for pitching and outfield prospects. RH gets a QO.

What about Helsley and Gorman ?

RH gets a QO. Gorman gets lots of playing time in August and September.

If you give Helsley a QO you may get stuck with a 20 million dollar closer, when that money could be better spent

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑13 Jun 2025 07:25 am

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 22:47 pm

Shady wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 22:14 pm

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:56 pm

Baseball Dude wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:09 pm About to lose our 8th game out of the last 11. Pitching has faltered in all aspects, offense is feast or famine, emphasis on famine when it counts.

Who goes first and what does the return look like? Not a lot of pieces that need to move would fetch much at all, is everyone available?

Fedde, Mikolas, Matz, Arenado, Sagesse, Prieto and Crooks are all available for pitching and outfield prospects. RH gets a QO.

What about Helsley and Gorman ?

RH gets a QO. Gorman gets lots of playing time in August and September.

If you give Helsley a QO you may get stuck with a 20 million dollar closer, when that money could be better spent

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑13 Jun 2025 08:46 am BP: Helsley, Matz, Maton and King.

Starters: Mikolas and Fedde.

Position players: Arenado, Noot and Pozo.

Comments: Noot is who he is. Enough ABs to know who is: .350ish OBP, 15 HR guy with avg. speed. This would play well in CF. Need more pop from LF. Put Donny in LF, Gorman at 2B. If you can trade Arenado, Gorman to 3B. Get Saggese reps at 2B. Lastly, wouldn’t hurt to introduce Herrera to the OF.

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑13 Jun 2025 10:14 am

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑13 Jun 2025 08:46 am BP: Helsley, Matz, Maton and King.

Starters: Mikolas and Fedde.

Position players: Arenado, Noot and Pozo.

Comments: Noot is who he is. Enough ABs to know who is: .350ish OBP, 15 HR guy with avg. speed. This would play well in CF. Need more pop from LF. Put Donny in LF, Gorman at 2B. If you can trade Arenado, Gorman to 3B. Get Saggese reps at 2B. Lastly, wouldn’t hurt to introduce Herrera to the OF.

Look's like a good plan, I just don't think Gorman is going to get much better

Braund241 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:14 pm

Baseball Dude wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:09 pm About to lose our 8th game out of the last 11. Pitching has faltered in all aspects, offense is feast or famine, emphasis on famine when it counts.

Who goes first and what does the return look like? Not a lot of pieces that need to move would fetch much at all, is everyone available?

Well Mo is still in charge. He is not a baseball man. The incompetence is astounding. Team as I have said for years will be horrible for a very long time, unless the owners are willing to buy major league talent. Most of this group are minor league talent.

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑13 Jun 2025 11:16 am

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑13 Jun 2025 10:14 am

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑13 Jun 2025 08:46 am BP: Helsley, Matz, Maton and King.

Starters: Mikolas and Fedde.

Position players: Arenado, Noot and Pozo.

Comments: Noot is who he is. Enough ABs to know who is: .350ish OBP, 15 HR guy with avg. speed. This would play well in CF. Need more pop from LF. Put Donny in LF, Gorman at 2B. If you can trade Arenado, Gorman to 3B. Get Saggese reps at 2B. Lastly, wouldn’t hurt to introduce Herrera to the OF.

Look's like a good plan, I just don't think Gorman is going to get much better

I don’t disagree with you on Gorman. That said, I would like to see him get a good run of games to see if Brant Brown’s influence will help him. I think he was clueless by the end of last season and maybe Brown can get to him. Maybe not. Nothing to lose giving him rest of 2025 to figure it out. Move on in 2026 if he doesn’t.

ramfandan wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:39 pm Helsley is the key trade chip not regarding the Cardinals but other teams seeking a closer. Yes, he isn't the career year he had last year but his
value at the trade deadline could be very good if there is a bidding war especially if the Phillies & Mets would both want him.
Both teams could use a good closer and play in the same division. Getting Helsley and preventing the other team from NOT getting him would be a big deal for the team acquiring him.
Cards should be 'open minded' listen to offers and play the scenario out to the end .

craviduce wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:33 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:31 pm

Baseball Dude wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:26 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:20 pm

Baseball Dude wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:19 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:15 pm This reminds me of a Shady OP.

Nope. But I know the poster you are talking about.

What do you think they should do?

I think they should do what should have happened last year at this time. We need to clear playing time for the future, not who we are paying, we need a new voice in the dugout, and we need a better pipeline of players ready to perform. I’m not saying we need to have a never ending line of all stars, just the next guy up to hold the line.

Deadline is almost 7 weeks away.
Too early to speculate on trades. I like them going with the youth with the position guys.
I like Contreras moving forward as a leader.
Arenado could certainly be dealt.
The pitching staff will be going through changes especially with the rotation heading into 2026.
Hopefully we start to see more of the younger arms as the season progresses.

they need to try and trade what they can before the draft...desperately try and get a Comp Pick from a team to get an extra pick in this draft.

Teams with Competitive Balance picks are Boston, Yankees, Dodgers, Mariners, Marlins, Mets, Twins, Tigers....picks 33-43

craviduce wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:33 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:31 pm

Baseball Dude wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:26 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:20 pm

Baseball Dude wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:19 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 Jun 2025 21:15 pm This reminds me of a Shady OP.

Nope. But I know the poster you are talking about.

What do you think they should do?

I think they should do what should have happened last year at this time. We need to clear playing time for the future, not who we are paying, we need a new voice in the dugout, and we need a better pipeline of players ready to perform. I’m not saying we need to have a never ending line of all stars, just the next guy up to hold the line.

Deadline is almost 7 weeks away.
Too early to speculate on trades. I like them going with the youth with the position guys.
I like Contreras moving forward as a leader.
Arenado could certainly be dealt.
The pitching staff will be going through changes especially with the rotation heading into 2026.
Hopefully we start to see more of the younger arms as the season progresses.

they need to try and trade what they can before the draft...desperately try and get a Comp Pick from a team to get an extra pick in this draft.

Teams with Competitive Balance picks are Boston, Yankees, Dodgers, Mariners, Marlins, Mets, Twins, Tigers....picks 33-43