I miss having an elite player in their prime

[sikeston bulldog2]

Pujols wasn’t an elite player. He is arguably top five ever. Huge difference.
We will never see another Albert.


In fact surrounded by semi elite- Molina Edmonds Scotty etc.

[Basil Shabazz]

EDIT: Should have read the eligible for FA part,

Yeah, that part was pretty important to the substance of my thought.

[thetank2]

Watching guys like Ohtani and Judge go out there and dominate essentially every game makes me miss having essentially the best player in baseball for 10 years. Makes you really go back and appreciate what you had but also realize that it may not be coming back anytime soon

Agree with you. Couple of points:

The truly elite are rare and with current salary structure in baseball chances of playing for Cards is not likely, unless rises through organizational ranks.

In some ways management has tried to provide us with such players with Arenado and Goldy. But obviously they were and are disappointments.

They, also, tried to get Stanton, Price and Heyward. Thank goodness that didn't happen.

[Futuregm2]

EDIT: Should have read the eligible for FA part,

Yeah, that part was pretty important to the substance of my thought.

Pujols wouldn’t even have counted then for us because he never re-signed with us after he was FA eligible.

Trout wouldn’t count either since he also never signed after he was eligible for FA. Judge would count though.

Most players don’t go through FA though and then end up back with their teams. Judge, Holliday, and Kershaw (although he was older and it was a formality pretty much) did that. Not sure who else.

[Basil Shabazz]

EDIT: Should have read the eligible for FA part,

Yeah, that part was pretty important to the substance of my thought.

Pujols wouldn’t even have counted then for us because he never re-signed with us after he was FA eligible.

Trout wouldn’t count either since he also never signed after he was eligible for FA. Judge would count though.

Most players don’t go through FA though and then end up back with their teams. Judge, Holliday, and Kershaw (although he was older and it was a formality pretty much) did that. Not sure who else.

Semantics. You understand my premise, yet are trying to be obtuse. Players who sign long term extensions foregoing free agency are the same as a player staying with their original team after being FA eligible. Must be rewarding to always be right on an anonymous site. Enjoy!

[Futuregm2]

EDIT: Should have read the eligible for FA part,

Yeah, that part was pretty important to the substance of my thought.

Pujols wouldn’t even have counted then for us because he never re-signed with us after he was FA eligible.

Trout wouldn’t count either since he also never signed after he was eligible for FA. Judge would count though.

Most players don’t go through FA though and then end up back with their teams. Judge, Holliday, and Kershaw (although he was older and it was a formality pretty much) did that. Not sure who else.

Semantics. You understand my premise, yet are trying to be obtuse. Players who sign long term extensions foregoing free agency are the same as a player staying with their original team after being FA eligible. Must be rewarding to always be right on an anonymous site. Enjoy!

Well then my post I put initially works because all of those players signed long term deals foregoing free agency with the same team. So you didn’t need to reply the way that you did.

[45s]

Watching guys like Ohtani and Judge go out there and dominate essentially every game makes me miss having essentially the best player in baseball for 10 years. Makes you really go back and appreciate what you had but also realize that it may not be coming back anytime soon

And if by some stroke of luck , the Cardinals get a star elite player , he most likely is gone after his 6th year with the team .
Free Agency will bring that Cardinal huge offers by the big market teams that he won't turn down . SO no more enjoying a guy for the 10 years you mentioned. It's 1 to 6 years and then adios !

I doubt the Cards let a generational talent walk, if ever to have another

not the cards call...............the player has all the power

[Basil Shabazz]

EDIT: Should have read the eligible for FA part,

Yeah, that part was pretty important to the substance of my thought.

Wow. Pretty thin skin if you got your feelings hurt over this reply. If you are that sensitive, you will have a tough time ever being a GM. Even a GM of Starbucks!

Also, you listed a ton of players in their 2,3, and 4 years. Those players don't fit the criteria yet of being generational talent. Darryl Strawberry, Eric Davis, Don Mattingly, Cody Bellinger, Grady Sizemore, Strasburg, Lincecum, Kris Bryant, to name a few are guys that could've been but faded for various reasons.

[sikeston bulldog2]

EDIT: Should have read the eligible for FA part,

Yeah, that part was pretty important to the substance of my thought.

Wow. Pretty thin skin if you got your feelings hurt over this reply. If you are that sensitive, you will have a tough time ever being a GM. Even a GM of Starbucks!

Also, you listed a ton of players in their 2,3, and 4 years. Those players don't fit the criteria yet of being generational talent. Darryl Strawberry, Eric Davis, Don Mattingly, Cody Bellinger, Grady Sizemore, Strasburg, Lincecum, Kris Bryant, to name a few are guys that could've been but faded for various reasons.

Your list contains some household names. You say faded. Some of these were pretty good for 4-5 years.

As to the height of their greatness I’d say simple attrition may be in play.

[scoutyjones2]

Watching guys like Ohtani and Judge go out there and dominate essentially every game makes me miss having essentially the best player in baseball for 10 years. Makes you really go back and appreciate what you had but also realize that it may not be coming back anytime soon

And if by some stroke of luck , the Cardinals get a star elite player , he most likely is gone after his 6th year with the team .
Free Agency will bring that Cardinal huge offers by the big market teams that he won't turn down . SO no more enjoying a guy for the 10 years you mentioned. It's 1 to 6 years and then adios !

I doubt the Cards let a generational talent walk, if ever to have another

not the cards call...............the player has all the power

Have they ever had an elite player they raised, walk?

[Basil Shabazz]

EDIT: Should have read the eligible for FA part,

Yeah, that part was pretty important to the substance of my thought.

Wow. Pretty thin skin if you got your feelings hurt over this reply. If you are that sensitive, you will have a tough time ever being a GM. Even a GM of Starbucks!

Also, you listed a ton of players in their 2,3, and 4 years. Those players don't fit the criteria yet of being generational talent. Darryl Strawberry, Eric Davis, Don Mattingly, Cody Bellinger, Grady Sizemore, Strasburg, Lincecum, Kris Bryant, to name a few are guys that could've been but faded for various reasons.

Your list contains some household names. You say faded. Some of these were pretty good for 4-5 years.

As to the height of their greatness I’d say simple attrition may be in play.

SBD I agree they were all (bleep) good! Bu they were not generational HOF level because they either got injured, regressed quickly after their prime years, or for another reason specific to each.

[Jatalk]

Watching guys like Ohtani and Judge go out there and dominate essentially every game makes me miss having essentially the best player in baseball for 10 years. Makes you really go back and appreciate what you had but also realize that it may not be coming back anytime soon

Agree with you. Couple of points:

The truly elite are rare and with current salary structure in baseball chances of playing for Cards is not likely, unless rises through organizational ranks.

In some ways management has tried to provide us with such players with Arenado and Goldy. But obviously they were and are disappointments.

They, also, tried to get Stanton, Price and Heyward. Thank goodness that didn't happen.

Honestly all those moves I thought were great moves. None were the talent level of Albert but supposedly big talents. It’s almost like the organization is jinxed.

[sikeston bulldog2]

EDIT: Should have read the eligible for FA part,

Yeah, that part was pretty important to the substance of my thought.

Wow. Pretty thin skin if you got your feelings hurt over this reply. If you are that sensitive, you will have a tough time ever being a GM. Even a GM of Starbucks!

Also, you listed a ton of players in their 2,3, and 4 years. Those players don't fit the criteria yet of being generational talent. Darryl Strawberry, Eric Davis, Don Mattingly, Cody Bellinger, Grady Sizemore, Strasburg, Lincecum, Kris Bryant, to name a few are guys that could've been but faded for various reasons.

Your list contains some household names. You say faded. Some of these were pretty good for 4-5 years.

As to the height of their greatness I’d say simple attrition may be in play.

SBD I agree they were all (drat) good! Bu they were not generational HOF level because they either got injured, regressed quickly after their prime years, or for another reason specific to each.

I hear ya. Maybe age. Maybe drugs. You would expect a decline after a period of greatness. It’s the depth or degree of the fall that becomes the focus.

[45s]

Watching guys like Ohtani and Judge go out there and dominate essentially every game makes me miss having essentially the best player in baseball for 10 years. Makes you really go back and appreciate what you had but also realize that it may not be coming back anytime soon

And if by some stroke of luck , the Cardinals get a star elite player , he most likely is gone after his 6th year with the team .
Free Agency will bring that Cardinal huge offers by the big market teams that he won't turn down . SO no more enjoying a guy for the 10 years you mentioned. It's 1 to 6 years and then adios !

I doubt the Cards let a generational talent walk, if ever to have another

not the cards call...............the player has all the power

Have they ever had an elite player they raised, walk?

albert pujols comes to mind....

the point is....if a player wants to leave...it's not a matter of the club "letting" them

if he want to go...he can go

[Talkin' Baseball]

We have been doing the next best thing- we get elite players past their prime.

[scoutyjones2]

Watching guys like Ohtani and Judge go out there and dominate essentially every game makes me miss having essentially the best player in baseball for 10 years. Makes you really go back and appreciate what you had but also realize that it may not be coming back anytime soon

And if by some stroke of luck , the Cardinals get a star elite player , he most likely is gone after his 6th year with the team .
Free Agency will bring that Cardinal huge offers by the big market teams that he won't turn down . SO no more enjoying a guy for the 10 years you mentioned. It's 1 to 6 years and then adios !

I doubt the Cards let a generational talent walk, if ever to have another

not the cards call...............the player has all the power

Have they ever had an elite player they raised, walk?

albert pujols comes to mind....

the point is....if a player wants to leave...it's not a matter of the club "letting" them

if he want to go...he can go

Best thing to have done vs pay him what God told him to take