Do the Cardinals currently possess their next CY award winner?

[greyhawk]

Liberatore?
Matthews?
Roby?
Hence?
Gray?

I wonder.
It's been a long time since the Cards have
had a CY award winner.
I believe Chris Carpenter was the last.
Long time ago.
Where are the arms?

If you gave me $20 and said put it on a pitcher on their 40 man. I’d go Libby. Don’t think it’s likely, but he’s made great strides the past two months and is only 25.

If you told me I had to bet my own money id keep it in my pocket and slowly walk away.

if you gave me $20 the only pitcher i see currently with a remote chance is helsley --- i might rather take the $20 to a neighboring watering hole.

[45s]

No

[Cusecards]

Too bad we didn’t start monitoring in January as to who starts the most Dumb Threads between:
Shady
Bully4you
Web7
Kentucky Kid

[Futuregm2]

Why hasn’t anyone mentioned Mikolas?

[Absolut]

Liberatore?
Matthews?
Roby?
Hence?
Gray?

I wonder.
It's been a long time since the Cards have
had a CY award winner.
I believe Chris Carpenter was the last.
Long time ago.
Where are the arms?

If you gave me $20 and said put it on a pitcher on their 40 man. I’d go Libby. Don’t think it’s likely, but he’s made great strides the past two months and is only 25.

If you told me I had to bet my own money id keep it in my pocket and slowly walk away.

if you gave me $20 the only pitcher i see currently with a remote chance is helsley --- i might rather take the $20 to a neighboring watering hole.

Didn’t pick him as I don’t see him in stl next year and he’s not having that type of year.

[rockondlouie]

No

While they may end up having a some solid #2 caliber starter or two there isn't a dominate CY Young caliber starter in the system.

[sikeston bulldog2]

No

While they may end up having a some solid #2 caliber starter or two there isn't a dominate CY Young caliber starter in the system.

I agree. We may even have a stud Ace, but still not CYA winner.

[rockondlouie]

No

While they may end up having a some solid #2 caliber starter or two there isn't a dominate CY Young caliber starter in the system.

I agree. We may even have a stud Ace, but still not CYA winner.

I think we might have a solid #2 (Libby) and #3 (McGreevy) but no real #1/ACE (Re: C. Carpenter/A. Wainwright type).

I'm not going to even put Q. Mathews, T. Hence, T. Roby etal even in the conversation until they prove it in MLB.

[sikeston bulldog2]

No

While they may end up having a some solid #2 caliber starter or two there isn't a dominate CY Young caliber starter in the system.

I agree. We may even have a stud Ace, but still not CYA winner.

I think we might have a solid #2 (Libby) and #3 (McGreevy) but no real #1/ACE (Re: C. Carpenter/A. Wainwright type).

I'm not going to even put Q. Mathews, T. Hence, T. Roby etal even in the conversation until they prove it in MLB.

Thanx. I get weary of hearing about the real young who are years away. As you alluded to, we have a young 2/3. Plus you didn’t mention a 4/5 in Pallante.

That’s 60 percent of a solid staff. As the reset dictates, we need two bats and an Ace. Herrera may be one bat. Now this off-season, power bat or Ace. Then compete. 2027. Add the final piece- powerhouse.

I see the Cardinals as a league power starting 2027.

[Melville]

Liberatore?
Matthews?
Roby?
Hence?
Gray?

I wonder.
It's been a long time since the Cards have
had a CY award winner.
I believe Chris Carpenter was the last.
Long time ago.
Where are the arms?

Do the Cardinals currently possess their next CY award winner?
That is impossible to say.
But if that arm is currently in the organization, the best odds are with Gray.
This year.
He is 6-1.
He has a 1.12 WHIP.
76 K's in just 69 innings.
5:1 K/BB rate.
#3 in wins.
Top 10 innings.
Tied for #1 in starts.
Yamamoto, Wheeler, Pivetta, and Ray are also all in the mix.
Is Gray leading?
No.
But is he a realistic potential contender?
Yes.
Which, of course, means he has a better chance right now than anyone else in the organization.

[Absolut]

Too bad we didn’t start monitoring in January as to who starts the most Dumb Threads between:
Shady
Bully4you
Web7
Kentucky Kid

Do you need advance stats for this? I think the eye test agrees

[Cusecards]

Too bad we didn’t start monitoring in January as to who starts the most Dumb Threads between:
Shady
Bully4you
Web7
Kentucky Kid

Do you need advance stats for this? I think the eye test agrees

Probably not....just trying to be objective LOL

[rockondlouie]

No

While they may end up having a some solid #2 caliber starter or two there isn't a dominate CY Young caliber starter in the system.

I agree. We may even have a stud Ace, but still not CYA winner.

I think we might have a solid #2 (Libby) and #3 (McGreevy) but no real #1/ACE (Re: C. Carpenter/A. Wainwright type).

I'm not going to even put Q. Mathews, T. Hence, T. Roby etal even in the conversation until they prove it in MLB.

Thanx. I get weary of hearing about the real young who are years away. As you alluded to, we have a young 2/3. Plus you didn’t mention a 4/5 in Pallante.

That’s 60 percent of a solid staff. As the reset dictates, we need two bats and an Ace. Herrera may be one bat. Now this off-season, power bat or Ace. Then compete. 2027. Add the final piece- powerhouse.

I see the Cardinals as a league power starting 2027.

Well you know I'm not sold on Palnnate who's back to getting beat up by RHH'ers.

IF he gets that straightened out again like he did in 2024 (and that should be taking place at Memphis sooner rather than later), then he could be a solid #5 with upside #4 possibility.

the ACE/#1 will be very hard to come by since BDWJr won't ever pay the FA price ($40M AAV) and we don't have the trade chips to ever trade for one (unless Bloom can find a Goldy/NADO situation but the team is dealing a young stud hurler).

And you're on my page BDog, this team needs at least one (if not two) true MOTO power bats (30HR/100 RBI) like they had w/Goldy & NADO before his age related power outage.

[Bully4you]

Liberatore?
Matthews?
Roby?
Hence?
Gray?

I wonder.
It's been a long time since the Cards have
had a CY award winner.
I believe Chris Carpenter was the last.
Long time ago.
Where are the arms?

Do the Cardinals currently possess their next CY award winner?
That is impossible to say.
But if that arm is currently in the organization, the best odds are with Gray.
This year.
He is 6-1.
He has a 1.12 WHIP.
76 K's in just 69 innings.
5:1 K/BB rate.
#3 in wins.
Top 10 innings.
Tied for #1 in starts.
Yamamoto, Wheeler, Pivetta, and Ray are also all in the mix.
Is Gray leading?
No.
But is he a realistic potential contender?
Yes.
Which, of course, means he has a better chance right now than anyone else in the organization.

I'd say you are most likely correct.
Nobody here seems to think any of the
young arms have that level of potential.
While they are good, they won't be great.
That's the consensus here anyway.

[govman]

Liberatore?
Matthews?
Roby?
Hence?
Gray?

I wonder.
It's been a long time since the Cards have
had a CY award winner.
I believe Chris Carpenter was the last.
Long time ago.
Where are the arms?

No. Like Carp, they need to trade or buy one like most every team

for a whike low-payroll Cleveland seemed to prduce them

[scoutyjones2]

Liberatore?
Matthews?
Roby?
Hence?
Gray?

I wonder.
It's been a long time since the Cards have
had a CY award winner.
I believe Chris Carpenter was the last.
Long time ago.
Where are the arms?

No. Like Carp, they need to trade or buy one like most every team

for a whike low-payroll Cleveland seemed to prduce them

I'm not familiar with their pitching history, but I do know they didn't win [shirt] with em