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Posted: **26 May 2025 11:35 am**

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 09:26 am
redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:50 am Is Herrera's future simply as a DH and maybe part time catcher or some other position? The Cards offense sure improved when Herrera returned to the lineup.
Does he need to be anything else? Why does he need to play the field at all?

Having positional versatility would help his resume considerably, making him more valuable to this team or any other. Gives a team some insurance with flexibility when injuries occur, obviously assuming Herrera could learn to play LF and 1B as an example reasonably well.

Posted: **26 May 2025 11:39 am**

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol

Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out

Posted: **26 May 2025 11:39 am**

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:15 am
JDW wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:11 am So just extrapolating Herrera's current pace out to 552 AB's, and yes, it's not a reasonable pace, it's just for fun.
So currently Herrera has 69 AB's, so just taking everything times 8.
552 AB's, 136 runs, 48 doubles, 40 HR's and 200 RBI's. Hack Wilson might be 6' under, but he just blinked.
Amazing what a .391/.463/.696/1.159 slash line might be able to do over the course of the season.
But that's impossible, right? Ok, so let's be sane and just take 80% of that production.
.312/.370/.556/.927. Yeah, that works, lol.
Just curious....assuming full health for the remainder of the season and with the time already missed...Is 552 ABs even possible for Herrera in 2025?

So after today the Cards regular season is .333 over. About the most AB's anyone on the team has at the 1/3 mark is 200.
So roughly 200 + 200 +70 = 470 AB's is about all Herrera could get with no more injuries this season, as he has 69 currently and should pick up a few more today.

Posted: **26 May 2025 11:40 am**

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out

Yep, and Pages is a couple feet/sec. less slow than Burleson last time I checked.
Now Pozo, yeah, he's slow even for a catcher, lol.

Posted: **26 May 2025 11:47 am**

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out

Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

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Posted: **26 May 2025 12:00 pm**

JDW wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:35 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 09:26 am
redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:50 am Is Herrera's future simply as a DH and maybe part time catcher or some other position? The Cards offense sure improved when Herrera returned to the lineup.
Does he need to be anything else? Why does he need to play the field at all?
Having positional versatility would help his resume considerably, making him more valuable to this team or any other. Gives a team some insurance with flexibility when injuries occur, obviously assuming Herrera could learn to play LF and 1B as an example reasonably well.

I assume no such thing. He's played 5 games at 1b in 8 years. JD Martinez and Kyle Schwarber are/were DH only. El cafecito wasn't good at any position

Posted: **26 May 2025 13:44 pm**

ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png

Saggese faster than Siani. Wow ! If he can hit good enough. That's a huge plus for Saggese's future with the Cardinals. Sure wish Burleson could run like Saggese.

Posted: **26 May 2025 14:02 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 13:44 pm
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
Saggese faster than Siani. Wow ! If he can hit good enough. That's a huge plus for Saggese's future with the Cardinals. Sure wish Burleson could run like Saggese.

Well Shady, you recently posted that you weren't convinced Contreras was faster than Burly. Are you still not convinced or will you concede that you were wrong?

Posted: **26 May 2025 14:05 pm**

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:02 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 13:44 pm
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
Saggese faster than Siani. Wow ! If he can hit good enough. That's a huge plus for Saggese's future with the Cardinals. Sure wish Burleson could run like Saggese.
Well Shady, you recently posted that you weren't convinced Contreras was faster than Burly. Are you still not convinced or will you concede that you were wrong?

The evidence supports Contreras being faster than Burleson. Be proud ! Who can deliver clutch RBIs? Very important.

Posted: **26 May 2025 14:06 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:05 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:02 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 13:44 pm
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
Saggese faster than Siani. Wow ! If he can hit good enough. That's a huge plus for Saggese's future with the Cardinals. Sure wish Burleson could run like Saggese.
Well Shady, you recently posted that you weren't convinced Contreras was faster than Burly. Are you still not convinced or will you concede that you were wrong?
The evidence supports Contreras being faster than Burleson. Be proud !

The evidence has always supported this...but...you tend to ignore evidence.

Posted: **26 May 2025 14:07 pm**

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:06 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:05 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:02 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 13:44 pm
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
Saggese faster than Siani. Wow ! If he can hit good enough. That's a huge plus for Saggese's future with the Cardinals. Sure wish Burleson could run like Saggese.
Well Shady, you recently posted that you weren't convinced Contreras was faster than Burly. Are you still not convinced or will you concede that you were wrong?
The evidence supports Contreras being faster than Burleson. Be proud !
The evidence has always supported this...but...you tend to ignore evidence.

I like Contreras. I just wish he didn't strike out so often. And I'd like more clutch RBIs from him.

Posted: **26 May 2025 14:23 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:07 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:06 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:05 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:02 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 13:44 pm
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
Saggese faster than Siani. Wow ! If he can hit good enough. That's a huge plus for Saggese's future with the Cardinals. Sure wish Burleson could run like Saggese.
Well Shady, you recently posted that you weren't convinced Contreras was faster than Burly. Are you still not convinced or will you concede that you were wrong?
The evidence supports Contreras being faster than Burleson. Be proud !
The evidence has always supported this...but...you tend to ignore evidence.
I like Contreras. I just wish he didn't strike out so often. And I'd like more clutch RBIs from him.

Even after his slow start, he still leads the team in RBI!
And he doesn't strike out that often. More facts...during his career he has struck out 24.1%. The MLB AVERAGE is 22.4%.

Posted: **26 May 2025 14:31 pm**

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:23 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:07 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:06 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:05 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:02 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 13:44 pm
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
Saggese faster than Siani. Wow ! If he can hit good enough. That's a huge plus for Saggese's future with the Cardinals. Sure wish Burleson could run like Saggese.
Well Shady, you recently posted that you weren't convinced Contreras was faster than Burly. Are you still not convinced or will you concede that you were wrong?
The evidence supports Contreras being faster than Burleson. Be proud !
The evidence has always supported this...but...you tend to ignore evidence.
I like Contreras. I just wish he didn't strike out so often. And I'd like more clutch RBIs from him.
Even after his slow start, he still leads the team in RBI!
And he doesn't strike out that often. More facts...during his career he has struck out 24.1%. The MLB AVERAGE is 22.4%.

Wish Contreras could have delivered a clutch 2 out hit to get the Cardinals a lead in the first.

Posted: **26 May 2025 14:32 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:31 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:23 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:07 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:06 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:05 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:02 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 13:44 pm
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
Saggese faster than Siani. Wow ! If he can hit good enough. That's a huge plus for Saggese's future with the Cardinals. Sure wish Burleson could run like Saggese.
Well Shady, you recently posted that you weren't convinced Contreras was faster than Burly. Are you still not convinced or will you concede that you were wrong?
The evidence supports Contreras being faster than Burleson. Be proud !
The evidence has always supported this...but...you tend to ignore evidence.
I like Contreras. I just wish he didn't strike out so often. And I'd like more clutch RBIs from him.
Even after his slow start, he still leads the team in RBI!
And he doesn't strike out that often. More facts...during his career he has struck out 24.1%. The MLB AVERAGE is 22.4%.
Wish Contreras could have delivered a clutch 2 out hit with Winn on third to get the Cardinals a lead in the first.

Posted: **26 May 2025 14:33 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:31 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:23 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:07 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:06 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:05 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:02 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 13:44 pm
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
Saggese faster than Siani. Wow ! If he can hit good enough. That's a huge plus for Saggese's future with the Cardinals. Sure wish Burleson could run like Saggese.
Well Shady, you recently posted that you weren't convinced Contreras was faster than Burly. Are you still not convinced or will you concede that you were wrong?
The evidence supports Contreras being faster than Burleson. Be proud !
The evidence has always supported this...but...you tend to ignore evidence.
I like Contreras. I just wish he didn't strike out so often. And I'd like more clutch RBIs from him.
Even after his slow start, he still leads the team in RBI!
And he doesn't strike out that often. More facts...during his career he has struck out 24.1%. The MLB AVERAGE is 22.4%.
Wish Contreras could have delivered a clutch 2 out hit to get the Cardinals a lead in the first.

Me too. I guess he will never hit 1000? I guess a 200 RBI season is out of the question?

Posted: **26 May 2025 16:35 pm**

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:33 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:31 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:23 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:07 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:06 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:05 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑26 May 2025 14:02 pm
Shady wrote: ↑26 May 2025 13:44 pm
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
ClassicO wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:47 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:39 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 am One third of our lineup will run like a C. lol
Herrera actually runs pretty good and Contreras runs everything out
Sprint speed isn't everything, but here's the Cards' top to bottom.

Of the 13 players now on the Cards and in the everyday lineup, Contreras is 4th and Herrera 6th in sprint speed.

Yes, Burly is last, behind Pozo.

Screenshot 2025-05-26 at 11.41.41 AM.png
Saggese faster than Siani. Wow ! If he can hit good enough. That's a huge plus for Saggese's future with the Cardinals. Sure wish Burleson could run like Saggese.
Well Shady, you recently posted that you weren't convinced Contreras was faster than Burly. Are you still not convinced or will you concede that you were wrong?
The evidence supports Contreras being faster than Burleson. Be proud !
The evidence has always supported this...but...you tend to ignore evidence.
I like Contreras. I just wish he didn't strike out so often. And I'd like more clutch RBIs from him.
Even after his slow start, he still leads the team in RBI!
And he doesn't strike out that often. More facts...during his career he has struck out 24.1%. The MLB AVERAGE is 22.4%.
Wish Contreras could have delivered a clutch 2 out hit to get the Cardinals a lead in the first.
Me too. I guess he will never hit 1000? I guess a 200 RBI season is out of the question?

You're the stats guy. How has the approx 18M guy compared to the approx 800k guy in the last three weeks?

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