Jack Roslovic

[TAFKAP]

There is a player that might be available via trade that has not lived up to his contract and has played center in the past.
His current team already has their top 3 centers so he has been pushed to wing.
He probably won't be popular with their new coach.
He seems to have a bad reputation and is considered a hotdog.

He has had injury issues the last 2 years, but is only 24
He will be entering the last year of his contract so he should be motivated.

What would it cost to acquire him this summer?
If he is a complete bust the gamble will cost you one year at 5.75 plus the asset(s) you traded to acquire him.
If he has only a decent year, do you give him a qualifying offer next summer or let him go unrestricted because the cap hit won't be worth the production?

To me the minimum QO to restrict him next summer is probably the reason he hasn't been traded yet.
That also restricts his current team from asking for too much back in return.

His name is Trevor Zegras.
Is he worth the gamble? I lean no, but what would the Ducks want in return for us to throw the dice?

Is he worth the gamble? All depends on the asking price. Dude has had ZERO winners around him, talent for days. I've always liked the kid, I'd take a flyer DEPENDING on price. A fully functioning team, with structure and roles may be just what he needs.

[STL fan in MN]

There is a player that might be available via trade that has not lived up to his contract and has played center in the past.
His current team already has their top 3 centers so he has been pushed to wing.
He probably won't be popular with their new coach.
He seems to have a bad reputation and is considered a hotdog.

He has had injury issues the last 2 years, but is only 24
He will be entering the last year of his contract so he should be motivated.

What would it cost to acquire him this summer?
If he is a complete bust the gamble will cost you one year at 5.75 plus the asset(s) you traded to acquire him.
If he has only a decent year, do you give him a qualifying offer next summer or let him go unrestricted because the cap hit won't be worth the production?

To me the minimum QO to restrict him next summer is probably the reason he hasn't been traded yet.
That also restricts his current team from asking for too much back in return.

His name is Trevor Zegras.
Is he worth the gamble? I lean no, but what would the Ducks want in return for us to throw the dice?

Oooh. You forgot the part where he’s pretty horrible defensively, soft, small and definitely not good at C.

[STL fan in MN]

we need a second line center. not a 3rd line center

While that would be ideal, I challenge you to look around the league at what all the other teams have. I bet over half of them would love to have a 50 pt 2C like Schenn.

While the goal should be to find a 2C to push Schenn down to 3C, it’s unlikely tbh. So a decent 3C like Roslovic wouldn’t be a bad idea. All depends on the AAV and term some of these guys will command.

[aslord]

we need a second line center. not a 3rd line center

While that would be ideal, I challenge you to look around the league at what all the other teams have. I bet over half of them would love to have a 50 pt 2C like Schenn.

While the goal should be to find a 2C to push Schenn down to 3C, it’s unlikely tbh. So a decent 3C like Roslovic wouldn’t be a bad idea. All depends on the AAV and term some of these guys will command.

I'm not interested in what other teams have. I want what is going to make this team good enough to win. That's not going to happen with the C squad we have as it is, and adding Roslovic isn't going to move the needle much, if at all.

[Harry S Deals]

we need a second line center. not a 3rd line center

While that would be ideal, I challenge you to look around the league at what all the other teams have. I bet over half of them would love to have a 50 pt 2C like Schenn.

While the goal should be to find a 2C to push Schenn down to 3C, it’s unlikely tbh. So a decent 3C like Roslovic wouldn’t be a bad idea. All depends on the AAV and term some of these guys will command.

I'm not interested in what other teams have. I want what is going to make this team good enough to win. That's not going to happen with the C squad we have as it is, and adding Roslovic isn't going to move the needle much, if at all.

Until DD is ready Schenn is adequate as the second center esp between Hoiloway and Kyrou seems like 50+ pts is pretty easily had plus grit, leadership etc. In the short term Army and co. need to find a center for Bolduc and Neighbours to get the most out of those wingers and give the Blues three threatening lines it isnt going to be Sunny. It could be an unforeseen RFA deal or a UFA but i dont think Army is going all in on a longterm deal for a top veteran center that doesnt make sense this summer

[Old_Goat]

I really hope that Zach Dean has a successful summer of training, rehab, or whatever the issue is...and that he shows as an unexpected solution during Training camp as 3C...
I know that relying on hope can be defeatist. But if someone else is a potential square peg in a round hole, then maybe not give up assets, or commit too much $/term at this particular time. We're close, be patient a bit longer.

[STL fan in MN]

we need a second line center. not a 3rd line center

While that would be ideal, I challenge you to look around the league at what all the other teams have. I bet over half of them would love to have a 50 pt 2C like Schenn.

While the goal should be to find a 2C to push Schenn down to 3C, it’s unlikely tbh. So a decent 3C like Roslovic wouldn’t be a bad idea. All depends on the AAV and term some of these guys will command.

I'm not interested in what other teams have. I want what is going to make this team good enough to win. That's not going to happen with the C squad we have as it is, and adding Roslovic isn't going to move the needle much, if at all.

That’s my point though. We’re already at a B squad league-wide. Teams just aren’t as deep anymore, especially at C.

So yes, I’d also want to upgrade but mg point is that pretty much every team also wants to upgrade that position…which makes it that much harder. There’s always a ton of competition for those few Cs that are actually available.

Would Roslovic move the needle a ton? Probably not but he’d almost certainly be better than Sunny as a 3C. As long as we can get someone like him for 2-3 years max then the risk is minimal.

[Pierre McGuire]

I will likely be alone on this one and it would take a hockey trade but you might be able to pry Kotkaniemi out of Carolina and you might even get the Canes to eat a portion of his remaining contract. He can play up or down, 2nd or 3rd line and he’s also got some grit to his game.

[TBone]

The problem I see is that anyone that would likely "fix" the 2C position will want to much term. If the team truly believes devo is the guy but needs another year then Schenn will likely be fine for another year.. To me 3C may need a upgrade of Sunny and that why I think Granlund on a 2 or 3 year deal would be ideal.

This is where I've been the whole time. The upgrade needed is at 3C until Dvorosky is ready to assume 2C.

Then when that happens, even if you re-sign Faksa for multiple years, it would be Thomas, Dvo, yet to be aquired 3C (Granlund / ROR / whoever) and either Faksa as 4C with Schenn at the wing on the 3rd line or Schenn as 4C with Faksa gone.

Sunny has one year left and would make a great extra forward. Or depending, reunite him with the Chief in Toronto to set their culture.

[a smell of green grass]

Given that Roslovic is needed because Dvorsky has not arrived, how similar are their styles and skills? Anybody able to compare and contrast?

Let's say Dvorsky does mature into the NHL next year, what happens to Roslovic and the lines potentially at that point?

I'm mostly for inserting Dvorsky into the lineup, sink or swim. We don't want to witness another Perunovich blossom where we waste 8 years thinking he's going to eventually work.

[STL fan in MN]

Given that Roslovic is needed because Dvorsky has not arrived, how similar are their styles and skills? Anybody able to compare and contrast?

Let's say Dvorsky does mature into the NHL next year, what happens to Roslovic and the lines potentially at that point?

I'm mostly for inserting Dvorsky into the lineup, sink or swim. We don't want to witness another Perunovich blossom where we waste 8 years thinking he's going to eventually work.

Dvorsky and Roslovic have pretty different strengths and weaknesses. Roslovic has some skill but can be inconsistent, soft and defensively just ok. He’s the sort that if he’s not providing secondary scoring then he’s not providing much. IMO, he’s not the best option out there. He’d be a bargain bin Plan G sort of option IMO.

That said, I don’t think we should just insert Dvorsky into the lineup either. He can force his way onto the team if/when he’s truly ready. The answer for what to do with him if/when he shows he’s ready is pretty much the same answer whether Roslovic or any other C is brought in. Either that incoming C, Dvorsky or Schenn can shift to the wing. I see Dvorsky’s future at C but it wouldn’t hurt him to work his way into the league on LW as there’s less defensive responsibility on the wing. Just like how Thomas played his first season in the NHL at RW and then transitioned back to C as our 3C…then 2C and now as our 1C.

But Schenn can also play either wing. And whatever C is brought in, it’d be a bonus if that player shot right and his secondary position was RW as that’s what we’re short of.

[Blueston]

I will likely be alone on this one and it would take a hockey trade but you might be able to pry Kotkaniemi out of Carolina and you might even get the Canes to eat a portion of his remaining contract. He can play up or down, 2nd or 3rd line and he’s also got some grit to his game.

I've been wondering about whether a Faulk for Kotkaniemi deal might work for all parties.

[Cahokanut]

One thing that's been proven over and over in the NHL. Is you can put about anyone with two first line players, and see a player that puts up some points.

So, if those two are the guys for our second line. This guy will put up as many points, as Schenn did.

I like the guy, and believe he would compliment Kyrou and Holloway better on the offensive side of the ice, then Schenn.
But getting him for the second line is not taking a step towards a cup. It will again be just another year in waiting. Just like last year and probably years to come.

I don't get it. Either buy a team that can compete, or build a team that can compete. The bubble ride isn't something that should be "the goal."
Big Game Binny won't be forever. Why waste it.
If all of our top 8 take forward steps next year. At the very least We will need one of the best second line center in the game to be real competitors. Not Schenn, or a different veteran free agent. But a trade. Where we give something, to get something.

if Army's great.
He should get a top second line center for this year's first, a ready grinder/defender or two(we have more Mikkola's getting seasoned till free agency) and a Hofer.

[a smell of green grass]

Given that Roslovic is needed because Dvorsky has not arrived, how similar are their styles and skills? Anybody able to compare and contrast?

Let's say Dvorsky does mature into the NHL next year, what happens to Roslovic and the lines potentially at that point?

I'm mostly for inserting Dvorsky into the lineup, sink or swim. We don't want to witness another Perunovich blossom where we waste 8 years thinking he's going to eventually work.

Dvorsky and Roslovic have pretty different strengths and weaknesses. Roslovic has some skill but can be inconsistent, soft and defensively just ok. He’s the sort that if he’s not providing secondary scoring then he’s not providing much. IMO, he’s not the best option out there. He’d be a bargain bin Plan G sort of option IMO.

That said, I don’t think we should just insert Dvorsky into the lineup either. He can force his way onto the team if/when he’s truly ready. The answer for what to do with him if/when he shows he’s ready is pretty much the same answer whether Roslovic or any other C is brought in. Either that incoming C, Dvorsky or Schenn can shift to the wing. I see Dvorsky’s future at C but it wouldn’t hurt him to work his way into the league on LW as there’s less defensive responsibility on the wing. Just like how Thomas played his first season in the NHL at RW and then transitioned back to C as our 3C…then 2C and now as our 1C.

But Schenn can also play either wing. And whatever C is brought in, it’d be a bonus if that player shot right and his secondary position was RW as that’s what we’re short of.

I see. Thanks for the analysis.

Why do you think that it is taking so long? He has smarts good size, and his attitude about playing 2-way is great, so what is the hold up? It's not like he has to play better than Draisitl to earn a roster spot.

[STL fan in MN]

Given that Roslovic is needed because Dvorsky has not arrived, how similar are their styles and skills? Anybody able to compare and contrast?

Let's say Dvorsky does mature into the NHL next year, what happens to Roslovic and the lines potentially at that point?

I'm mostly for inserting Dvorsky into the lineup, sink or swim. We don't want to witness another Perunovich blossom where we waste 8 years thinking he's going to eventually work.

Dvorsky and Roslovic have pretty different strengths and weaknesses. Roslovic has some skill but can be inconsistent, soft and defensively just ok. He’s the sort that if he’s not providing secondary scoring then he’s not providing much. IMO, he’s not the best option out there. He’d be a bargain bin Plan G sort of option IMO.

That said, I don’t think we should just insert Dvorsky into the lineup either. He can force his way onto the team if/when he’s truly ready. The answer for what to do with him if/when he shows he’s ready is pretty much the same answer whether Roslovic or any other C is brought in. Either that incoming C, Dvorsky or Schenn can shift to the wing. I see Dvorsky’s future at C but it wouldn’t hurt him to work his way into the league on LW as there’s less defensive responsibility on the wing. Just like how Thomas played his first season in the NHL at RW and then transitioned back to C as our 3C…then 2C and now as our 1C.

But Schenn can also play either wing. And whatever C is brought in, it’d be a bonus if that player shot right and his secondary position was RW as that’s what we’re short of.

I see. Thanks for the analysis.

Why do you think that it is taking so long? He has smarts good size, and his attitude about playing 2-way is great, so what is the hold up? It's not like he has to play better than Draisitl to earn a roster spot.

Why is what taking so long? Dvorsky’s development? He’s 19. Only 6 players from his draft class have played more than a handful of games. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. Very very few 19 year olds are playing in the NHL, let alone making an impact. He’s developing just fine.

I’d expect for the 2023 draft class, including Dvorsky, to start breaking into the league more this upcoming season. Emphasis on the word start though. This is just the beginning of their careers. He still has a ton of growth ahead of him.

But as for what specifically he needs to continue to work on to become an NHL regular, I’d say making an impact 5 on 5. He’s lights out on the PP in the AHL but doesn’t stand out as much 5 on 5. He has to work on his ability to separate and make space for himself. The normal progression from a teenager’s body to a man’s body should absolutely help with that. He also needs to work on his two-way game some more as well. But everything he needs to improve on is totally normal for a 19 year old. I have really no concerns with his development to date.

[skilles]

Given that Roslovic is needed because Dvorsky has not arrived, how similar are their styles and skills? Anybody able to compare and contrast?

Let's say Dvorsky does mature into the NHL next year, what happens to Roslovic and the lines potentially at that point?

I'm mostly for inserting Dvorsky into the lineup, sink or swim. We don't want to witness another Perunovich blossom where we waste 8 years thinking he's going to eventually work.

Dvorsky and Roslovic have pretty different strengths and weaknesses. Roslovic has some skill but can be inconsistent, soft and defensively just ok. He’s the sort that if he’s not providing secondary scoring then he’s not providing much. IMO, he’s not the best option out there. He’d be a bargain bin Plan G sort of option IMO.

That said, I don’t think we should just insert Dvorsky into the lineup either. He can force his way onto the team if/when he’s truly ready. The answer for what to do with him if/when he shows he’s ready is pretty much the same answer whether Roslovic or any other C is brought in. Either that incoming C, Dvorsky or Schenn can shift to the wing. I see Dvorsky’s future at C but it wouldn’t hurt him to work his way into the league on LW as there’s less defensive responsibility on the wing. Just like how Thomas played his first season in the NHL at RW and then transitioned back to C as our 3C…then 2C and now as our 1C.

But Schenn can also play either wing. And whatever C is brought in, it’d be a bonus if that player shot right and his secondary position was RW as that’s what we’re short of.

We have a lot of wingers though, I just don't see where there is room to shift centers to wing on this team currently.

Buch
Kyrou
Bolduc
Snugs
Neighbours
Holloway

Unless someone gets injured....