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rockondlouie
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Re: Matz

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Talkin' Baseball wrote: 22 May 2025 13:12 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 22 May 2025 08:51 am Matz (1.74 ERA/1.85 FiP/0.90 WHiP) needs to be pitching a h e l l of a lot more than Oli's been using him.

Only been in 4 game and thrown 7 IP this month, way too little usage for a pitcher stretched out to start and who's been lights out!

Only thrown 4 1/3 innings the last eight days, he doesn't need three-four-five days between appearances.

Use Matz more!
I don't pretend to know all the details- but perhaps this is what it takes to keep him healthy?
Yep, that was my thought above as well TB:

My only thought BFM is their AFRAID to push him fearing he'll get injured (given his history) since they want to trade him!
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Re: Matz

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renostl wrote: 22 May 2025 10:02 am
JDW wrote: 22 May 2025 09:32 am So IF Helsley was traded before the deadline, could Matz be an effective closer for the rest of this season?
Just thinking Helsley's trade value is much higher than Matz, so if you kept Matz and fortified the BP with some other more minor trades before the deadline, couldn't the Cards still strive for success this year while also trading for some good prospects to aid in the reset?
To my first question of whether Matz could be an effective closer, guess none of really know, but he's been lights out so far.
Sure, there's risk in whatever road you take, but to be too afraid to make any moves doesn't work either. Helsley could also get hurt if you keep him, and wouldn't be surprised if last year was his career year. Just the reverse, would be surprised if last year wasn't his career year.
Luv Helsley, he was awesome last year, but would be pretty neat to be able to compete and continue the "reset" in the same season.
They both have a dynamic that the other does not.
The return for them may not be drastically different. I would make Matz
a priority to move before the deadline.
I wouldn't argue with you much, but do think Helsley would bring back more.
You consistently have good points on here. Always appreciate your thoughts.
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Re: Matz

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JDW wrote: 22 May 2025 19:31 pm
renostl wrote: 22 May 2025 10:02 am
JDW wrote: 22 May 2025 09:32 am So IF Helsley was traded before the deadline, could Matz be an effective closer for the rest of this season?
Just thinking Helsley's trade value is much higher than Matz, so if you kept Matz and fortified the BP with some other more minor trades before the deadline, couldn't the Cards still strive for success this year while also trading for some good prospects to aid in the reset?
To my first question of whether Matz could be an effective closer, guess none of really know, but he's been lights out so far.
Sure, there's risk in whatever road you take, but to be too afraid to make any moves doesn't work either. Helsley could also get hurt if you keep him, and wouldn't be surprised if last year was his career year. Just the reverse, would be surprised if last year wasn't his career year.
Luv Helsley, he was awesome last year, but would be pretty neat to be able to compete and continue the "reset" in the same season.
They both have a dynamic that the other does not.
The return for them may not be drastically different. I would make Matz
a priority to move before the deadline.
I wouldn't argue with you much, but do think Helsley would bring back more.
You consistently have good points on here. Always appreciate your thoughts.
Thank you. But it's purely opinion, which can always be challenged.

Hels in most cases brings back more IMO :wink:
unless some team is wanting an LHP swingman/starter.

There's a slim path for Helsley to get a contract in St. Louis is the difference.
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