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Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑20 May 2025 12:56 pm

okcardfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 11:38 am Correct. Tho I wish they could work with him on another position, like LF, between games. Maybe play him an inning or two out there In blowout games.

Why? What's wrong with him being a DH? What was wrong with Big Papi or Edgar Martinez?

I detest the DH, but as long as it is there, the IH needs to be the DH. You don't want that bat getting injured catching. Unless he shows a propensity for being a good LFer, he is the DH.

Goldfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 13:05 pm Noot
Winn
Donny
Herrera
WC
Burly
NA
Walker
Scott

When Herrera is catching. This is the correct batting order for now vs RHP. Not sure vs LHP.

bccardsfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 13:11 pm

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑20 May 2025 12:56 pm

okcardfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 11:38 am Correct. Tho I wish they could work with him on another position, like LF, between games. Maybe play him an inning or two out there In blowout games.

Why? What's wrong with him being a DH? What was wrong with Big Papi or Edgar Martinez?

I detest the DH, but as long as it is there, the IH needs to be the DH. You don't want that bat getting injured catching. Unless he shows a propensity for being a good LFer, he is the DH.

I didnt like the idea of DH at first but since its started I've grown to like it. I dont miss seeing pitchers hit and it got to where pitchers couldnt even get bunts down very boring. The strategy that once existed where there was a debate if they should let the starter keep going or pinch hit for him late is gone anyway since pitchers only go 5 or 6 six or innings anyway

okcardfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 11:38 am Correct. Tho I wish they could work with him on another position, like LF, between games. Maybe play him an inning or two out there In blowout games.

Last night would've been perfect for that. But yes, I agree. His calling card is definitely his bat, but I'd like it if we could utilize him somewhere in the field.

Goldfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 10:54 am 426 .484 .815 1.299
5HR
20RBI

Less than a 1/3 of the AB’s as our other starters. If he can stick around 1.000 OPS for the season and stays in the middle of lineup this could be Goldschmidt(MVP) type bat who actually seems to thrive under pressure.

An actual top of league offensive weapon evolved when everyone was laser focused on Gorman and Walker

Does anyone know where the h*ll all this came from? Last 2 seasons Ivan was just a catcher--probably a backup--who hit for a decent average but the org wasn't pushing to get him as many AB's as possible to be the next Albert.

Now all of a sudden, he's projected as a middle-of-the-order bat. Someone said he figured out launch angle this spring? Not complaining. In fact, it's the opposite. I'm ecstatic and believe he can do this.

I just don't know when all of this started.

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:26 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 10:54 am 426 .484 .815 1.299
5HR
20RBI

Less than a 1/3 of the AB’s as our other starters. If he can stick around 1.000 OPS for the season and stays in the middle of lineup this could be Goldschmidt(MVP) type bat who actually seems to thrive under pressure.

An actual top of league offensive weapon evolved when everyone was laser focused on Gorman and Walker

Does anyone know where the h*ll all this came from? Last 2 seasons Ivan was just a catcher--probably a backup--who hit for a decent average but the org wasn't pushing to get him as many AB's as possible to be the next Albert.

Now all of a sudden, he's projected as a middle-of-the-order bat. Someone said he figured out launch angle this spring? Not complaining. In fact, it's the opposite. I'm ecstatic and believe he can do this.

I just don't know when all of this started.

Well, while broken up in multiple trips down to AAA, from June 1st through the end of last season in the MLB he hit .349/.425/.528 over 121 PAs. He had an .800 OPS overall in 259 PAs last season. I think the hope was to be able to get him to play catcher. But with his play this season and the injury, along with the way he’s been swinging, it appears there is a writing on the wall that DH should be his spot. Keeps him healthy and the guy can hit. And while a lot of his catching game is not bad, his inability to throw out runners, especially in the NL Central, is a big negative.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:14 pm

bccardsfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 13:11 pm

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑20 May 2025 12:56 pm

okcardfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 11:38 am Correct. Tho I wish they could work with him on another position, like LF, between games. Maybe play him an inning or two out there In blowout games.

Why? What's wrong with him being a DH? What was wrong with Big Papi or Edgar Martinez?

I detest the DH, but as long as it is there, the IH needs to be the DH. You don't want that bat getting injured catching. Unless he shows a propensity for being a good LFer, he is the DH.

I didnt like the idea of DH at first but since its started I've grown to like it. I dont miss seeing pitchers hit and it got to where pitchers couldnt even get bunts down very boring. The strategy that once existed where there was a debate if they should let the starter keep going or pinch hit for him late is gone anyway since pitchers only go 5 or 6 six or innings anyway

So in most games this exaggerated opinion of great strategy doesn't often occur?
Takes a close game, maybe isn't in play in the pitchers first AB, and they usually don't
get 3 AB's.
Is that worth a SP getting an injury or watching one more SO.

If you all say he is the hitter you speak of, the reset just got quicker. That stud bat.

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑20 May 2025 12:56 pm

okcardfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 11:38 am Correct. Tho I wish they could work with him on another position, like LF, between games. Maybe play him an inning or two out there In blowout games.

Why? What's wrong with him being a DH? What was wrong with Big Papi or Edgar Martinez?

There's nothing wrong with him being a DH. In fact, committing him to that spot as other teams have done helps you plan for the future. First, understand he is just a #3 catcher (not a bad thing). And don't expect Gorman or even guys as far out as Reniel Rodriguez to have a spot there often, so have them preparing for other positions (assuming Rodriguez doesn't stick to catcher). And don't draft or develop more DH-types.

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:26 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 10:54 am 426 .484 .815 1.299
5HR
20RBI

Less than a 1/3 of the AB’s as our other starters. If he can stick around 1.000 OPS for the season and stays in the middle of lineup this could be Goldschmidt(MVP) type bat who actually seems to thrive under pressure.

An actual top of league offensive weapon evolved when everyone was laser focused on Gorman and Walker

Does anyone know where the h*ll all this came from? Last 2 seasons Ivan was just a catcher--probably a backup--who hit for a decent average but the org wasn't pushing to get him as many AB's as possible to be the next Albert.

Now all of a sudden, he's projected as a middle-of-the-order bat. Someone said he figured out launch angle this spring? Not complaining. In fact, it's the opposite. I'm ecstatic and believe he can do this.

I just don't know when all of this started.

It's always been the feeling that Herrera would be a bat-first catcher. Even when he was thought of as the heir to Molina. I don't know if any of us thought he would be MOTO good.

I think he should be our DH this year, but I also would like to see him recoup SOME defensive value. I'm not sure why I feel that way, but I would like him to have the ability to take the field SOMEWHERE if necessary.

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:54 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:26 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 10:54 am 426 .484 .815 1.299
5HR
20RBI

Less than a 1/3 of the AB’s as our other starters. If he can stick around 1.000 OPS for the season and stays in the middle of lineup this could be Goldschmidt(MVP) type bat who actually seems to thrive under pressure.

An actual top of league offensive weapon evolved when everyone was laser focused on Gorman and Walker

Does anyone know where the h*ll all this came from? Last 2 seasons Ivan was just a catcher--probably a backup--who hit for a decent average but the org wasn't pushing to get him as many AB's as possible to be the next Albert.

Now all of a sudden, he's projected as a middle-of-the-order bat. Someone said he figured out launch angle this spring? Not complaining. In fact, it's the opposite. I'm ecstatic and believe he can do this.

I just don't know when all of this started.

It's always been the feeling that Herrera would be a bat-first catcher. Even when he was thought of as the heir to Molina. I don't know if any of us thought he would be MOTO good.

I think he should be our DH this year, but I also would like to see him recoup SOME defensive value. I'm not sure why I feel that way, but I would like him to have the ability to take the field SOMEWHERE if necessary.

In this case it has to be left, right?

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:54 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:26 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 10:54 am 426 .484 .815 1.299
5HR
20RBI

Less than a 1/3 of the AB’s as our other starters. If he can stick around 1.000 OPS for the season and stays in the middle of lineup this could be Goldschmidt(MVP) type bat who actually seems to thrive under pressure.

An actual top of league offensive weapon evolved when everyone was laser focused on Gorman and Walker

Does anyone know where the h*ll all this came from? Last 2 seasons Ivan was just a catcher--probably a backup--who hit for a decent average but the org wasn't pushing to get him as many AB's as possible to be the next Albert.

Now all of a sudden, he's projected as a middle-of-the-order bat. Someone said he figured out launch angle this spring? Not complaining. In fact, it's the opposite. I'm ecstatic and believe he can do this.

I just don't know when all of this started.

It's always been the feeling that Herrera would be a bat-first catcher. Even when he was thought of as the heir to Molina. I don't know if any of us thought he would be MOTO good.

I think he should be our DH this year, but I also would like to see him recoup SOME defensive value. I'm not sure why I feel that way, but I would like him to have the ability to take the field SOMEWHERE if necessary.

Agree. And he's fast and agile enough, with the arm, to play some LF. But again, he's your main DH for years to come, unless of course he gets reps in LF and shows he can be decent defensively.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:55 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:54 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:26 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 10:54 am 426 .484 .815 1.299
5HR
20RBI

Less than a 1/3 of the AB’s as our other starters. If he can stick around 1.000 OPS for the season and stays in the middle of lineup this could be Goldschmidt(MVP) type bat who actually seems to thrive under pressure.

An actual top of league offensive weapon evolved when everyone was laser focused on Gorman and Walker

Does anyone know where the h*ll all this came from? Last 2 seasons Ivan was just a catcher--probably a backup--who hit for a decent average but the org wasn't pushing to get him as many AB's as possible to be the next Albert.

Now all of a sudden, he's projected as a middle-of-the-order bat. Someone said he figured out launch angle this spring? Not complaining. In fact, it's the opposite. I'm ecstatic and believe he can do this.

I just don't know when all of this started.

It's always been the feeling that Herrera would be a bat-first catcher. Even when he was thought of as the heir to Molina. I don't know if any of us thought he would be MOTO good.

I think he should be our DH this year, but I also would like to see him recoup SOME defensive value. I'm not sure why I feel that way, but I would like him to have the ability to take the field SOMEWHERE if necessary.

In this case it has to be left, right?

I think so.

Though I wouldn't be upset to see him take some reps at 1B, either.

ClassicO wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:57 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:54 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:26 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 10:54 am 426 .484 .815 1.299
5HR
20RBI

Less than a 1/3 of the AB’s as our other starters. If he can stick around 1.000 OPS for the season and stays in the middle of lineup this could be Goldschmidt(MVP) type bat who actually seems to thrive under pressure.

An actual top of league offensive weapon evolved when everyone was laser focused on Gorman and Walker

Does anyone know where the h*ll all this came from? Last 2 seasons Ivan was just a catcher--probably a backup--who hit for a decent average but the org wasn't pushing to get him as many AB's as possible to be the next Albert.

Now all of a sudden, he's projected as a middle-of-the-order bat. Someone said he figured out launch angle this spring? Not complaining. In fact, it's the opposite. I'm ecstatic and believe he can do this.

I just don't know when all of this started.

It's always been the feeling that Herrera would be a bat-first catcher. Even when he was thought of as the heir to Molina. I don't know if any of us thought he would be MOTO good.

I think he should be our DH this year, but I also would like to see him recoup SOME defensive value. I'm not sure why I feel that way, but I would like him to have the ability to take the field SOMEWHERE if necessary.

Agree. And he's fast and agile enough, with the arm, to play some LF. But again, he's your main DH for years to come, unless of course he gets reps in LF and shows he can be decent defensively.

Definitely. I think unless you're providing David Ortiz-level offense, you should be able to play the field somewhere. He doesn't need to be a gold glover. But I'd like him to get to the point where I don't whinge when a ball is hit towards him.

okcardfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 11:38 am Correct. Tho I wish they could work with him on another position, like LF, between games. Maybe play him an inning or two out there In blowout games.

Worry about position training in the off-season. For now, DH and the occasional start behind the plate and tell him to just keep mashing.

renostl wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:32 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑20 May 2025 14:14 pm

bccardsfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 13:11 pm

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑20 May 2025 12:56 pm

okcardfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 11:38 am Correct. Tho I wish they could work with him on another position, like LF, between games. Maybe play him an inning or two out there In blowout games.

Why? What's wrong with him being a DH? What was wrong with Big Papi or Edgar Martinez?

I detest the DH, but as long as it is there, the IH needs to be the DH. You don't want that bat getting injured catching. Unless he shows a propensity for being a good LFer, he is the DH.

I didnt like the idea of DH at first but since its started I've grown to like it. I dont miss seeing pitchers hit and it got to where pitchers couldnt even get bunts down very boring. The strategy that once existed where there was a debate if they should let the starter keep going or pinch hit for him late is gone anyway since pitchers only go 5 or 6 six or innings anyway

So in most games this exaggerated opinion of great strategy doesn't often occur?
Takes a close game, maybe isn't in play in the pitchers first AB, and they usually don't
get 3 AB's.
Is that worth a SP getting an injury or watching one more SO.

I am in favor of the DH