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Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 11 May 2025 17:29 pm
by Melville
Jatalk wrote: ↑11 May 2025 17:13 pm
Time to send him down but I’m a little confused on who plays RF. I like Donovan at 2nd. So Noot stays in LF.
Donovan is a far better outfielder than Nootbaar.
If folks want to see Walker sent to AAA, then Donovan becomes the LF and Nootbaar moves to RF.
The outfield in an absolute mess of roster construction with zero RH bats available if Walker is not around.
Zero question the staff should be working with Herrera in preparation for giving him a few low stress looks in RF.
And if Walker is not on the roster, obviously it would be necessary to give Barrero some corner outfield looks as well.
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 11 May 2025 20:58 pm
by Jatalk
Melville wrote: ↑11 May 2025 17:29 pm
Jatalk wrote: ↑11 May 2025 17:13 pm
Time to send him down but I’m a little confused on who plays RF. I like Donovan at 2nd. So Noot stays in LF.
Donovan is a far better outfielder than Nootbaar.
If folks want to see Walker sent to AAA, then Donovan becomes the LF and Nootbaar moves to RF.
The outfield in an absolute mess of roster construction with zero RH bats available if Walker is not around.
Zero question the staff should be working with Herrera in preparation for giving him a few low stress looks in RF.
And if Walker is not on the roster, obviously it would be necessary to give Barrero some corner outfield looks as well.
Remember when Cards bragged about all the good young outfielders? Those were the days.
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 11 May 2025 21:28 pm
by RunSup
Keep playing Walker and Gorman. Let them figure it out. Stay the course and stop yo-yo-ing these guys.
Flag day is the soonest to consider making a change to the declared approach to the season.
They will get tested against the Phillies and Royals. I've loved the winning streak. But time to beat a couple of good teams.
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 11 May 2025 21:40 pm
by Bad14
Melville wrote: ↑11 May 2025 17:29 pm
Jatalk wrote: ↑11 May 2025 17:13 pm
Time to send him down but I’m a little confused on who plays RF. I like Donovan at 2nd. So Noot stays in LF.
Donovan is a far better outfielder than Nootbaar.
If folks want to see Walker sent to AAA, then Donovan becomes the LF and Nootbaar moves to RF.
The outfield in an absolute mess of roster construction with zero RH bats available if Walker is not around.
Zero question the staff should be working with Herrera in preparation for giving him a few low stress looks in RF.
And if Walker is not on the roster, obviously it would be necessary to give Barrero some corner outfield looks as well.
Yeah that's why Noot has to leap to catch balls he misjudged. You're an absolute idiot.
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 11 May 2025 23:57 pm
by TheFantasyStud
Leave him alone, he’ll figure it out.
Wasn’t too long ago everyone gave up on Scott and Contreras.
Churio last year is a good example of a guy who they gave enough runway. We need to do the same with Walker. He’s 22.
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 12 May 2025 05:28 am
by ecleme22
“Just leave x young player alone and give them 500 at bats / 30 starts so we know what we have.”
I find it funny when a CTer says this.
As you can see with Jordan Walker, the mlb season is very long. And it’s ridiculous to watch futility for 6 months.
(I’m not for sending JW down just yet. I’ll start w a little less playing time.)
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 12 May 2025 05:54 am
by Joseph-Magrane
Jatalk wrote: ↑11 May 2025 20:58 pm
Remember when Cards bragged about all the good young outfielders? Those were the days.
Which time?
Grichuk, Piscotty, Pham?
Or
Carlson, O’Neill
Rasmus, Borjous?
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 12 May 2025 06:06 am
by Jatalk
Joseph-Magrane wrote: ↑12 May 2025 05:54 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑11 May 2025 20:58 pm
Remember when Cards bragged about all the good young outfielders? Those were the days.
Which time?
Grichuk, Piscotty, Pham?
Or
Carlson, O’Neill
Rasmus, Borjous?
Take your pick
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 12 May 2025 07:16 am
by woofy25
ecleme22 wrote: ↑12 May 2025 05:28 am
“Just leave x young player alone and give them 500 at bats / 30 starts so we know what we have.”
I find it funny when a CTer says this.
As you can see with Jordan Walker, the mlb season is very long. And it’s ridiculous to watch futility for 6 months.
(I’m not for sending JW down just yet. I’ll start w a little less playing time.)
There is no point sending him down. He and Gorman need to play the entire season so the cardinals can determine whether or not they’re part of the future. If they send Walker or Gorman down, then the cardinals will be in the same position going into next season with them.
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 12 May 2025 07:25 am
by 3dender
ecleme22 wrote: ↑12 May 2025 05:28 am
“Just leave x young player alone and give them 500 at bats / 30 starts so we know what we have.”
I find it funny when a CTer says this.
As you can see with Jordan Walker, the mlb season is very long. And it’s ridiculous to watch futility for 6 months.
(I’m not for sending JW down just yet. I’ll start w a little less playing time.)
So don't send him down, just stick him on the bench so he can't practice against actual competition. Brilliant.
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 12 May 2025 07:27 am
by 3dender
If he doesn't gain traction by the end of the month I'm for sending him down... but to the development facility so they can rebuild him a better swing from the ground up. A few weeks there and then back to AAA for testing. I don't expect just sending him straight to AAA would work at this point.
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 12 May 2025 07:29 am
by ecleme22
3dender wrote: ↑12 May 2025 07:25 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑12 May 2025 05:28 am
“Just leave x young player alone and give them 500 at bats / 30 starts so we know what we have.”
I find it funny when a CTer says this.
As you can see with Jordan Walker, the mlb season is very long. And it’s ridiculous to watch futility for 6 months.
(I’m not for sending JW down just yet. I’ll start w a little less playing time.)
So don't send him down, just stick him on the bench so he can't practice against actual competition. Brilliant.
A little less PT isn’t “sticking him on the bench.” Calm down.
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 12 May 2025 07:32 am
by 3dender
ecleme22 wrote: ↑12 May 2025 07:29 am
3dender wrote: ↑12 May 2025 07:25 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑12 May 2025 05:28 am
“Just leave x young player alone and give them 500 at bats / 30 starts so we know what we have.”
I find it funny when a CTer says this.
As you can see with Jordan Walker, the mlb season is very long. And it’s ridiculous to watch futility for 6 months.
(I’m not for sending JW down just yet. I’ll start w a little less playing time.)
So don't send him down, just stick him on the bench so he can't practice against actual competition. Brilliant.
A little less PT isn’t “sticking him on the bench.” Calm down.
The last two weeks he played 4 games (5/4-5/10) and 3 games (4/27-5/3). How much less PT do you want him getting?
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 12 May 2025 07:32 am
by Monsieur De Treville
ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑11 May 2025 14:35 pm
Not sure if it’s too early to label him a bust but he’s not a major league hitter
Not ready to give up on him, but he needs a reset. Help me information, get me Memphis, Tennessee. Let him work on his swing outside of the bright spotlights which are MLB Baseball.
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 12 May 2025 07:41 am
by Monsieur De Treville
Melville wrote: ↑11 May 2025 17:29 pm
Jatalk wrote: ↑11 May 2025 17:13 pm
Time to send him down but I’m a little confused on who plays RF. I like Donovan at 2nd. So Noot stays in LF.
Donovan is a far better outfielder than Nootbaar.
If folks want to see Walker sent to AAA, then Donovan becomes the LF and Nootbaar moves to RF.
The outfield in an absolute mess of roster construction with zero RH bats available if Walker is not around.
Zero question the staff should be working with Herrera in preparation for giving him a few low stress looks in RF.
And if Walker is not on the roster, obviously it would be necessary to give Barrero some corner outfield looks as well.
My eyes tell me they are both average to above average fielding outfielders. Which is fine for a corner outfielder, imho. However, I am curious why you consider Donovan a far better outfielder than Noot? Understand, I'm not necessarily disagreeing...I just don't see much difference between the two and am curious which metric you are looking at or what your eyes are seeing?
Re: At what point do you send Walker down? He ain’t it
Posted: 12 May 2025 07:45 am
by nighthawk
Walker and Gordan. I'm sure there are other examples in the past, but I'm trying to think of two other highly touted prospects that the Cards scouted, drafted and developed who came up within a year of one another, showed initial promise in the majors and then just devolved into albatrosses. These guys were supposed to be anchors of the future.
