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Re: New Jersey GM: "We Won't Be Coming Back With The Same Group"

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STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 11:22 am Honestly, I have a hard time coming up with a trade scenario with Jersey that’d make sense. They have some good prices but it’d be the ones they’d almost certainly want to keep.

Maybe Mercer as 3C to supplant Sunny? But that’d really only be a consideration if Army can’t find a bigger fish to fill the 2C role to push Schenn into Sunny’s 3C spot.

The main thing on their roster that sticks out to me is they have 4 right-shooting d-men. That’s quite rare and those are valuable and a hot commodity and I could see NJ taking advantage of the market on RDs. They have Hamilton, Pesce, Casey and Nemec on the right side.

Nemec would be the obvious one to go for but he’s struggled a bit to gain a hold in the NHL. Then again, maybe all he needs is a change of scenery and a kick in the pants being traded would likely bring. But as a former 2nd overall pick, the luster on him has worn off a bit so NJ would likely have to take a little less for him than they’d likely want. Probably similar to the deal Minnesota did to get David Jiricek.

The other young guy is Casey. Seamus is a talented kid. I recall liking him when he played for the NTDP and at Michigan. But he’s only 5’10” and that brings obvious limitations as a d-man.

Nemec would be the home run swing. Acquiring a guy you’d hope could regain his standing as a future #1 and become a star like many thought he could when he was drafted 2nd overall. Casey would be an add to shore up the 3rd pairing. Someone you know is better than Matt Kessel. A decent guy to have for a while to fill a spot until you found a better option.

I want no part of Meier’s contract - 6 more years at 8.8M.
Don't forget about Kovacevic. They gave him a 5-year contract.
Assuming that Nemec and Seamus are ready to be full time NHL'ers, that actually gives the Devils 5 RHD.

Right side:
Hamilton at 9 for 3 more years.
Pesce at 5.5 for 5 more years.
Kovacevic at 4 for 5 more years.
Nemec's entry deal expires after next season.
Casey's entry deal is up in 2 years.

On the left side:
Luke Hughes will get a nice raise this summer.
Dillon at 4 for 2 more years.
Siegenthaler at 3.4 for 3 more years.

Most of their 8 NHL d-men have good to great size.
New Jersey definitely will try to trade one of those RHD.
Their phone will be ringing off the hook because of the lack of supply of RHD.
I actually think they should trade Hamilton. Losing his salary coupled with Dillon's deal expiring the same year as Q. Hughes deal expires would give the Devils the cap space to sign Q. Hughes.

New Jersey also is set with their top 2 centers so in theory they already have the 2 toughest positions to fill.
They need two 2nd line wingers which are typically in abundance.
With just a few medium sized moves and a healthy roster next spring, the Devils will be one of the favorites in the east.

What are you willing to give up for Nemec?
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seattleblue wrote: 10 May 2025 11:30 am Nemec is the interesting one, how do you even price him for sale and are the Blues in a position to pay what it would take to take the risk?

I think you have to put Kyrou in that level of deal probably
I’d only trade Kyrou for a player with much more certainty. And Nemec isn’t worth Kyrou anymore. He probably was in the year or so after being drafted but now that he’s struggled a bit, I’d say no.
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TheHighHat wrote: 10 May 2025 12:06 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 11:22 am Honestly, I have a hard time coming up with a trade scenario with Jersey that’d make sense. They have some good prices but it’d be the ones they’d almost certainly want to keep.

Maybe Mercer as 3C to supplant Sunny? But that’d really only be a consideration if Army can’t find a bigger fish to fill the 2C role to push Schenn into Sunny’s 3C spot.

The main thing on their roster that sticks out to me is they have 4 right-shooting d-men. That’s quite rare and those are valuable and a hot commodity and I could see NJ taking advantage of the market on RDs. They have Hamilton, Pesce, Casey and Nemec on the right side.

Nemec would be the obvious one to go for but he’s struggled a bit to gain a hold in the NHL. Then again, maybe all he needs is a change of scenery and a kick in the pants being traded would likely bring. But as a former 2nd overall pick, the luster on him has worn off a bit so NJ would likely have to take a little less for him than they’d likely want. Probably similar to the deal Minnesota did to get David Jiricek.

The other young guy is Casey. Seamus is a talented kid. I recall liking him when he played for the NTDP and at Michigan. But he’s only 5’10” and that brings obvious limitations as a d-man.

Nemec would be the home run swing. Acquiring a guy you’d hope could regain his standing as a future #1 and become a star like many thought he could when he was drafted 2nd overall. Casey would be an add to shore up the 3rd pairing. Someone you know is better than Matt Kessel. A decent guy to have for a while to fill a spot until you found a better option.

I want no part of Meier’s contract - 6 more years at 8.8M.
Don't forget about Kovacevic. They gave him a 5-year contract.
Assuming that Nemec and Seamus are ready to be full time NHL'ers, that actually gives the Devils 5 RHD.

Right side:
Hamilton at 9 for 3 more years.
Pesce at 5.5 for 5 more years.
Kovacevic at 4 for 5 more years.
Nemec's entry deal expires after next season.
Casey's entry deal is up in 2 years.

On the left side:
Luke Hughes will get a nice raise this summer.
Dillon at 4 for 2 more years.
Siegenthaler at 3.4 for 3 more years.

Most of their 8 NHL d-men have good to great size.
New Jersey definitely will try to trade one of those RHD.
Their phone will be ringing off the hook because of the lack of supply of RHD.
I actually think they should trade Hamilton. Losing his salary coupled with Dillon's deal expiring the same year as Q. Hughes deal expires would give the Devils the cap space to sign Q. Hughes.

New Jersey also is set with their top 2 centers so in theory they already have the 2 toughest positions to fill.
They need two 2nd line wingers which are typically in abundance.
With just a few medium sized moves and a healthy roster next spring, the Devils will be one of the favorites in the east.

What are you willing to give up for Nemec?
what happened to the kid they got from AZ in the Seguin deal?
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STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 12:14 pm
seattleblue wrote: 10 May 2025 11:30 am Nemec is the interesting one, how do you even price him for sale and are the Blues in a position to pay what it would take to take the risk?

I think you have to put Kyrou in that level of deal probably
I’d only trade Kyrou for a player with much more certainty. And Nemec isn’t worth Kyrou anymore. He probably was in the year or so after being drafted but now that he’s struggled a bit, I’d say no.
Yeah it kind of flipped from "oh sure give us your underachieving one-way winger for a future #1 stud at RHD" to both players' value having changed. That's why I struggle to price the player. They shouldn't have to sell cheap like David Jiricek.
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TheHighHat wrote: 10 May 2025 12:06 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 11:22 am Honestly, I have a hard time coming up with a trade scenario with Jersey that’d make sense. They have some good prices but it’d be the ones they’d almost certainly want to keep.

Maybe Mercer as 3C to supplant Sunny? But that’d really only be a consideration if Army can’t find a bigger fish to fill the 2C role to push Schenn into Sunny’s 3C spot.

The main thing on their roster that sticks out to me is they have 4 right-shooting d-men. That’s quite rare and those are valuable and a hot commodity and I could see NJ taking advantage of the market on RDs. They have Hamilton, Pesce, Casey and Nemec on the right side.

Nemec would be the obvious one to go for but he’s struggled a bit to gain a hold in the NHL. Then again, maybe all he needs is a change of scenery and a kick in the pants being traded would likely bring. But as a former 2nd overall pick, the luster on him has worn off a bit so NJ would likely have to take a little less for him than they’d likely want. Probably similar to the deal Minnesota did to get David Jiricek.

The other young guy is Casey. Seamus is a talented kid. I recall liking him when he played for the NTDP and at Michigan. But he’s only 5’10” and that brings obvious limitations as a d-man.

Nemec would be the home run swing. Acquiring a guy you’d hope could regain his standing as a future #1 and become a star like many thought he could when he was drafted 2nd overall. Casey would be an add to shore up the 3rd pairing. Someone you know is better than Matt Kessel. A decent guy to have for a while to fill a spot until you found a better option.

I want no part of Meier’s contract - 6 more years at 8.8M.
Don't forget about Kovacevic. They gave him a 5-year contract.
Assuming that Nemec and Seamus are ready to be full time NHL'ers, that actually gives the Devils 5 RHD.

Right side:
Hamilton at 9 for 3 more years.
Pesce at 5.5 for 5 more years.
Kovacevic at 4 for 5 more years.
Nemec's entry deal expires after next season.
Casey's entry deal is up in 2 years.

On the left side:
Luke Hughes will get a nice raise this summer.
Dillon at 4 for 2 more years.
Siegenthaler at 3.4 for 3 more years.

Most of their 8 NHL d-men have good to great size.
New Jersey definitely will try to trade one of those RHD.
Their phone will be ringing off the hook because of the lack of supply of RHD.
I actually think they should trade Hamilton. Losing his salary coupled with Dillon's deal expiring the same year as Q. Hughes deal expires would give the Devils the cap space to sign Q. Hughes.

New Jersey also is set with their top 2 centers so in theory they already have the 2 toughest positions to fill.
They need two 2nd line wingers which are typically in abundance.
With just a few medium sized moves and a healthy roster next spring, the Devils will be one of the favorites in the east.

What are you willing to give up for Nemec?
You’re right about Kovacevic. Forgot about him. So yeah, they’re loaded with RDs which is an envious position to be in. Agree that they may look to move Hamilton. Don’t think he’d be the right add for the Blues given his age…but maybe as long as they can send Faulk elsewhere in a separate deal (no way would NJ want him).

For Nemec it’s hard to value him. D.Jiricek went for a meh prospect, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. I bet NJ would want more. That wasn’t a great deal for CBJ IMO. A lot of pieces but not a lot of value. It’d probably take something like Jiricek (Adam, the one we drafted) and either our 2025 or 2026 1st. Not sure NJ would want to move him though. My guess is one of the main reasons why he’s struggled to establish himself is their glut of RDs. Odds are, the Devils front office isn’t stupid and they’ll look to trade one of their older guys instead. Or Casey, who while good, is always going to be 5’10” and limited because of that.
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STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 12:22 pm
TheHighHat wrote: 10 May 2025 12:06 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 11:22 am Honestly, I have a hard time coming up with a trade scenario with Jersey that’d make sense. They have some good prices but it’d be the ones they’d almost certainly want to keep.

Maybe Mercer as 3C to supplant Sunny? But that’d really only be a consideration if Army can’t find a bigger fish to fill the 2C role to push Schenn into Sunny’s 3C spot.

The main thing on their roster that sticks out to me is they have 4 right-shooting d-men. That’s quite rare and those are valuable and a hot commodity and I could see NJ taking advantage of the market on RDs. They have Hamilton, Pesce, Casey and Nemec on the right side.

Nemec would be the obvious one to go for but he’s struggled a bit to gain a hold in the NHL. Then again, maybe all he needs is a change of scenery and a kick in the pants being traded would likely bring. But as a former 2nd overall pick, the luster on him has worn off a bit so NJ would likely have to take a little less for him than they’d likely want. Probably similar to the deal Minnesota did to get David Jiricek.

The other young guy is Casey. Seamus is a talented kid. I recall liking him when he played for the NTDP and at Michigan. But he’s only 5’10” and that brings obvious limitations as a d-man.

Nemec would be the home run swing. Acquiring a guy you’d hope could regain his standing as a future #1 and become a star like many thought he could when he was drafted 2nd overall. Casey would be an add to shore up the 3rd pairing. Someone you know is better than Matt Kessel. A decent guy to have for a while to fill a spot until you found a better option.

I want no part of Meier’s contract - 6 more years at 8.8M.
Don't forget about Kovacevic. They gave him a 5-year contract.
Assuming that Nemec and Seamus are ready to be full time NHL'ers, that actually gives the Devils 5 RHD.

Right side:
Hamilton at 9 for 3 more years.
Pesce at 5.5 for 5 more years.
Kovacevic at 4 for 5 more years.
Nemec's entry deal expires after next season.
Casey's entry deal is up in 2 years.

On the left side:
Luke Hughes will get a nice raise this summer.
Dillon at 4 for 2 more years.
Siegenthaler at 3.4 for 3 more years.

Most of their 8 NHL d-men have good to great size.
New Jersey definitely will try to trade one of those RHD.
Their phone will be ringing off the hook because of the lack of supply of RHD.
I actually think they should trade Hamilton. Losing his salary coupled with Dillon's deal expiring the same year as Q. Hughes deal expires would give the Devils the cap space to sign Q. Hughes.

New Jersey also is set with their top 2 centers so in theory they already have the 2 toughest positions to fill.
They need two 2nd line wingers which are typically in abundance.
With just a few medium sized moves and a healthy roster next spring, the Devils will be one of the favorites in the east.

What are you willing to give up for Nemec?
You’re right about Kovacevic. Forgot about him. So yeah, they’re loaded with RDs which is an envious position to be in. Agree that they may look to move Hamilton. Don’t think he’d be the right add for the Blues given his age…but maybe as long as they can send Faulk elsewhere in a separate deal (no way would NJ want him).

For Nemec it’s hard to value him. D.Jiricek went for a meh prospect, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. I bet NJ would want more. That wasn’t a great deal for CBJ IMO. A lot of pieces but not a lot of value. It’d probably take something like Jiricek (Adam, the one we drafted) and either our 2025 or 2026 1st. Not sure NJ would want to move him though. My guess is one of the main reasons why he’s struggled to establish himself is their glut of RDs. Odds are, the Devils front office isn’t stupid and they’ll look to trade one of their older guys instead. Or Casey, who while good, is always going to be 5’10” and limited because of that.
I don't want Hamilton either.

The Devils have to be looking at getting back a top 6 winger in a trade for one of their RHD.
I would move Buch for Nemec but would Fitzgerald want that term? Cap concerns?
He already has his version of Buchnevich in Meier.

New Jersey does not have a 1st rounder this year either even though that is not a concern unless they really do make a push for Q. Hughes before the draft.

If Vancouver trades Hughes they might as well find a sucker for Pettersson and go full rebuild.
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noted wrote: 10 May 2025 10:51 am
Cardsfan1586 wrote: 10 May 2025 10:42 am Kyrou, Faulk <-> Meier, Pesce

We get a defensive minded RW and a bigger defensive minded RD.

Holloway-X-Meier

Broberg-Pesce or Fowler-Pesce
These are all terrible for the Blues
Aside from a terrible hockey trade, Timo Meier is signed for six more seasons at 8.8 million with a NMC.
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TheHighHat wrote: 10 May 2025 12:38 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 12:22 pm
TheHighHat wrote: 10 May 2025 12:06 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 11:22 am Honestly, I have a hard time coming up with a trade scenario with Jersey that’d make sense. They have some good prices but it’d be the ones they’d almost certainly want to keep.

Maybe Mercer as 3C to supplant Sunny? But that’d really only be a consideration if Army can’t find a bigger fish to fill the 2C role to push Schenn into Sunny’s 3C spot.

The main thing on their roster that sticks out to me is they have 4 right-shooting d-men. That’s quite rare and those are valuable and a hot commodity and I could see NJ taking advantage of the market on RDs. They have Hamilton, Pesce, Casey and Nemec on the right side.

Nemec would be the obvious one to go for but he’s struggled a bit to gain a hold in the NHL. Then again, maybe all he needs is a change of scenery and a kick in the pants being traded would likely bring. But as a former 2nd overall pick, the luster on him has worn off a bit so NJ would likely have to take a little less for him than they’d likely want. Probably similar to the deal Minnesota did to get David Jiricek.

The other young guy is Casey. Seamus is a talented kid. I recall liking him when he played for the NTDP and at Michigan. But he’s only 5’10” and that brings obvious limitations as a d-man.

Nemec would be the home run swing. Acquiring a guy you’d hope could regain his standing as a future #1 and become a star like many thought he could when he was drafted 2nd overall. Casey would be an add to shore up the 3rd pairing. Someone you know is better than Matt Kessel. A decent guy to have for a while to fill a spot until you found a better option.

I want no part of Meier’s contract - 6 more years at 8.8M.
Don't forget about Kovacevic. They gave him a 5-year contract.
Assuming that Nemec and Seamus are ready to be full time NHL'ers, that actually gives the Devils 5 RHD.

Right side:
Hamilton at 9 for 3 more years.
Pesce at 5.5 for 5 more years.
Kovacevic at 4 for 5 more years.
Nemec's entry deal expires after next season.
Casey's entry deal is up in 2 years.

On the left side:
Luke Hughes will get a nice raise this summer.
Dillon at 4 for 2 more years.
Siegenthaler at 3.4 for 3 more years.

Most of their 8 NHL d-men have good to great size.
New Jersey definitely will try to trade one of those RHD.
Their phone will be ringing off the hook because of the lack of supply of RHD.
I actually think they should trade Hamilton. Losing his salary coupled with Dillon's deal expiring the same year as Q. Hughes deal expires would give the Devils the cap space to sign Q. Hughes.

New Jersey also is set with their top 2 centers so in theory they already have the 2 toughest positions to fill.
They need two 2nd line wingers which are typically in abundance.
With just a few medium sized moves and a healthy roster next spring, the Devils will be one of the favorites in the east.

What are you willing to give up for Nemec?
You’re right about Kovacevic. Forgot about him. So yeah, they’re loaded with RDs which is an envious position to be in. Agree that they may look to move Hamilton. Don’t think he’d be the right add for the Blues given his age…but maybe as long as they can send Faulk elsewhere in a separate deal (no way would NJ want him).

For Nemec it’s hard to value him. D.Jiricek went for a meh prospect, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. I bet NJ would want more. That wasn’t a great deal for CBJ IMO. A lot of pieces but not a lot of value. It’d probably take something like Jiricek (Adam, the one we drafted) and either our 2025 or 2026 1st. Not sure NJ would want to move him though. My guess is one of the main reasons why he’s struggled to establish himself is their glut of RDs. Odds are, the Devils front office isn’t stupid and they’ll look to trade one of their older guys instead. Or Casey, who while good, is always going to be 5’10” and limited because of that.
I don't want Hamilton either.

The Devils have to be looking at getting back a top 6 winger in a trade for one of their RHD.
I would move Buch for Nemec but would Fitzgerald want that term? Cap concerns?
He already has his version of Buchnevich in Meier.

New Jersey does not have a 1st rounder this year either even though that is not a concern unless they really do make a push for Q. Hughes before the draft.

If Vancouver trades Hughes they might as well find a sucker for Pettersson and go full rebuild.
Buchnevich is not a good comp for Meier, IMO. Buchnevich is a complete, 200 ft player. Not sure I’d take the risk of trading him for a guy who could still bust.
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Hughes to NJD
Hischier, Kovacevic and Kyrou to Van
Pettersson to STL
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STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 11:22 am Honestly, I have a hard time coming up with a trade scenario with Jersey that’d make sense. They have some good prices but it’d be the ones they’d almost certainly want to keep.

Maybe Mercer as 3C to supplant Sunny? But that’d really only be a consideration if Army can’t find a bigger fish to fill the 2C role to push Schenn into Sunny’s 3C spot.

The main thing on their roster that sticks out to me is they have 4 right-shooting d-men. That’s quite rare and those are valuable and a hot commodity and I could see NJ taking advantage of the market on RDs. They have Hamilton, Pesce, Casey and Nemec on the right side.

Nemec would be the obvious one to go for but he’s struggled a bit to gain a hold in the NHL. Then again, maybe all he needs is a change of scenery and a kick in the pants being traded would likely bring. But as a former 2nd overall pick, the luster on him has worn off a bit so NJ would likely have to take a little less for him than they’d likely want. Probably similar to the deal Minnesota did to get David Jiricek.

The other young guy is Casey. Seamus is a talented kid. I recall liking him when he played for the NTDP and at Michigan. But he’s only 5’10” and that brings obvious limitations as a d-man.

Nemec would be the home run swing. Acquiring a guy you’d hope could regain his standing as a future #1 and become a star like many thought he could when he was drafted 2nd overall. Casey would be an add to shore up the 3rd pairing. Someone you know is better than Matt Kessel. A decent guy to have for a while to fill a spot until you found a better option.

I want no part of Meier’s contract - 6 more years at 8.8M.
Yup, there'd have to be a 3rd team involved pretty much in any scenario, as we're talking some real outside-the-box thinking for it to make sense for us...
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seattleblue wrote: 10 May 2025 11:30 am Nemec is the interesting one, how do you even price him for sale and are the Blues in a position to pay what it would take to take the risk?

I think you have to put Kyrou in that level of deal probably
I hope Dvorsky is talking to Nemec while they're at the World Championships.
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moose-and-squirrel wrote: 10 May 2025 12:16 pm
TheHighHat wrote: 10 May 2025 12:06 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 11:22 am Honestly, I have a hard time coming up with a trade scenario with Jersey that’d make sense. They have some good prices but it’d be the ones they’d almost certainly want to keep.

Maybe Mercer as 3C to supplant Sunny? But that’d really only be a consideration if Army can’t find a bigger fish to fill the 2C role to push Schenn into Sunny’s 3C spot.

The main thing on their roster that sticks out to me is they have 4 right-shooting d-men. That’s quite rare and those are valuable and a hot commodity and I could see NJ taking advantage of the market on RDs. They have Hamilton, Pesce, Casey and Nemec on the right side.

Nemec would be the obvious one to go for but he’s struggled a bit to gain a hold in the NHL. Then again, maybe all he needs is a change of scenery and a kick in the pants being traded would likely bring. But as a former 2nd overall pick, the luster on him has worn off a bit so NJ would likely have to take a little less for him than they’d likely want. Probably similar to the deal Minnesota did to get David Jiricek.

The other young guy is Casey. Seamus is a talented kid. I recall liking him when he played for the NTDP and at Michigan. But he’s only 5’10” and that brings obvious limitations as a d-man.

Nemec would be the home run swing. Acquiring a guy you’d hope could regain his standing as a future #1 and become a star like many thought he could when he was drafted 2nd overall. Casey would be an add to shore up the 3rd pairing. Someone you know is better than Matt Kessel. A decent guy to have for a while to fill a spot until you found a better option.

I want no part of Meier’s contract - 6 more years at 8.8M.
Don't forget about Kovacevic. They gave him a 5-year contract.
Assuming that Nemec and Seamus are ready to be full time NHL'ers, that actually gives the Devils 5 RHD.

Right side:
Hamilton at 9 for 3 more years.
Pesce at 5.5 for 5 more years.
Kovacevic at 4 for 5 more years.
Nemec's entry deal expires after next season.
Casey's entry deal is up in 2 years.

On the left side:
Luke Hughes will get a nice raise this summer.
Dillon at 4 for 2 more years.
Siegenthaler at 3.4 for 3 more years.

Most of their 8 NHL d-men have good to great size.
New Jersey definitely will try to trade one of those RHD.
Their phone will be ringing off the hook because of the lack of supply of RHD.
I actually think they should trade Hamilton. Losing his salary coupled with Dillon's deal expiring the same year as Q. Hughes deal expires would give the Devils the cap space to sign Q. Hughes.

New Jersey also is set with their top 2 centers so in theory they already have the 2 toughest positions to fill.
They need two 2nd line wingers which are typically in abundance.
With just a few medium sized moves and a healthy roster next spring, the Devils will be one of the favorites in the east.

What are you willing to give up for Nemec?
what happened to the kid they got from AZ in the Seguin deal?
nm.. it was Bahl in the Taylor Hall trade
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TheHighHat wrote: 10 May 2025 12:06 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 11:22 am Honestly, I have a hard time coming up with a trade scenario with Jersey that’d make sense. They have some good prices but it’d be the ones they’d almost certainly want to keep.

Maybe Mercer as 3C to supplant Sunny? But that’d really only be a consideration if Army can’t find a bigger fish to fill the 2C role to push Schenn into Sunny’s 3C spot.

The main thing on their roster that sticks out to me is they have 4 right-shooting d-men. That’s quite rare and those are valuable and a hot commodity and I could see NJ taking advantage of the market on RDs. They have Hamilton, Pesce, Casey and Nemec on the right side.

Nemec would be the obvious one to go for but he’s struggled a bit to gain a hold in the NHL. Then again, maybe all he needs is a change of scenery and a kick in the pants being traded would likely bring. But as a former 2nd overall pick, the luster on him has worn off a bit so NJ would likely have to take a little less for him than they’d likely want. Probably similar to the deal Minnesota did to get David Jiricek.

The other young guy is Casey. Seamus is a talented kid. I recall liking him when he played for the NTDP and at Michigan. But he’s only 5’10” and that brings obvious limitations as a d-man.

Nemec would be the home run swing. Acquiring a guy you’d hope could regain his standing as a future #1 and become a star like many thought he could when he was drafted 2nd overall. Casey would be an add to shore up the 3rd pairing. Someone you know is better than Matt Kessel. A decent guy to have for a while to fill a spot until you found a better option.

I want no part of Meier’s contract - 6 more years at 8.8M.
Don't forget about Kovacevic. They gave him a 5-year contract.
Assuming that Nemec and Seamus are ready to be full time NHL'ers, that actually gives the Devils 5 RHD.

Right side:
Hamilton at 9 for 3 more years.
Pesce at 5.5 for 5 more years.
Kovacevic at 4 for 5 more years.
Nemec's entry deal expires after next season.
Casey's entry deal is up in 2 years.

On the left side:
Luke Hughes will get a nice raise this summer.
Dillon at 4 for 2 more years.
Siegenthaler at 3.4 for 3 more years.

Most of their 8 NHL d-men have good to great size.
New Jersey definitely will try to trade one of those RHD.
Their phone will be ringing off the hook because of the lack of supply of RHD.
I actually think they should trade Hamilton. Losing his salary coupled with Dillon's deal expiring the same year as Q. Hughes deal expires would give the Devils the cap space to sign Q. Hughes.

New Jersey also is set with their top 2 centers so in theory they already have the 2 toughest positions to fill.
They need two 2nd line wingers which are typically in abundance.
With just a few medium sized moves and a healthy roster next spring, the Devils will be one of the favorites in the east.

What are you willing to give up for Nemec?
I'd give up a LOT for Nemec.
Like something close to the David Jiricek trade.
I'd probably lead with a 1st and 3rd round pick(in different years) plus Jiricek.
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Re: New Jersey GM: "We Won't Be Coming Back With The Same Group"

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kimzey59 wrote: 11 May 2025 10:00 am
TheHighHat wrote: 10 May 2025 12:06 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 11:22 am Honestly, I have a hard time coming up with a trade scenario with Jersey that’d make sense. They have some good prices but it’d be the ones they’d almost certainly want to keep.

Maybe Mercer as 3C to supplant Sunny? But that’d really only be a consideration if Army can’t find a bigger fish to fill the 2C role to push Schenn into Sunny’s 3C spot.

The main thing on their roster that sticks out to me is they have 4 right-shooting d-men. That’s quite rare and those are valuable and a hot commodity and I could see NJ taking advantage of the market on RDs. They have Hamilton, Pesce, Casey and Nemec on the right side.

Nemec would be the obvious one to go for but he’s struggled a bit to gain a hold in the NHL. Then again, maybe all he needs is a change of scenery and a kick in the pants being traded would likely bring. But as a former 2nd overall pick, the luster on him has worn off a bit so NJ would likely have to take a little less for him than they’d likely want. Probably similar to the deal Minnesota did to get David Jiricek.

The other young guy is Casey. Seamus is a talented kid. I recall liking him when he played for the NTDP and at Michigan. But he’s only 5’10” and that brings obvious limitations as a d-man.

Nemec would be the home run swing. Acquiring a guy you’d hope could regain his standing as a future #1 and become a star like many thought he could when he was drafted 2nd overall. Casey would be an add to shore up the 3rd pairing. Someone you know is better than Matt Kessel. A decent guy to have for a while to fill a spot until you found a better option.

I want no part of Meier’s contract - 6 more years at 8.8M.
Don't forget about Kovacevic. They gave him a 5-year contract.
Assuming that Nemec and Seamus are ready to be full time NHL'ers, that actually gives the Devils 5 RHD.

Right side:
Hamilton at 9 for 3 more years.
Pesce at 5.5 for 5 more years.
Kovacevic at 4 for 5 more years.
Nemec's entry deal expires after next season.
Casey's entry deal is up in 2 years.

On the left side:
Luke Hughes will get a nice raise this summer.
Dillon at 4 for 2 more years.
Siegenthaler at 3.4 for 3 more years.

Most of their 8 NHL d-men have good to great size.
New Jersey definitely will try to trade one of those RHD.
Their phone will be ringing off the hook because of the lack of supply of RHD.
I actually think they should trade Hamilton. Losing his salary coupled with Dillon's deal expiring the same year as Q. Hughes deal expires would give the Devils the cap space to sign Q. Hughes.

New Jersey also is set with their top 2 centers so in theory they already have the 2 toughest positions to fill.
They need two 2nd line wingers which are typically in abundance.
With just a few medium sized moves and a healthy roster next spring, the Devils will be one of the favorites in the east.

What are you willing to give up for Nemec?
I'd give up a LOT for Nemec.
Like something close to the David Jiricek trade.
I'd probably lead with a 1st and 3rd round pick(in different years) plus Jiricek.
sounds like what's being said about Nemec is what was being said about Broberg in EDM
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What do you think it would take to get Hischier? Maybe something involving Kyrou? That would make the Blues much more solid down the middle.
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Re: New Jersey GM: "We Won't Be Coming Back With The Same Group"

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kimzey59 wrote: 11 May 2025 10:00 am
TheHighHat wrote: 10 May 2025 12:06 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 11:22 am Honestly, I have a hard time coming up with a trade scenario with Jersey that’d make sense. They have some good prices but it’d be the ones they’d almost certainly want to keep.

Maybe Mercer as 3C to supplant Sunny? But that’d really only be a consideration if Army can’t find a bigger fish to fill the 2C role to push Schenn into Sunny’s 3C spot.

The main thing on their roster that sticks out to me is they have 4 right-shooting d-men. That’s quite rare and those are valuable and a hot commodity and I could see NJ taking advantage of the market on RDs. They have Hamilton, Pesce, Casey and Nemec on the right side.

Nemec would be the obvious one to go for but he’s struggled a bit to gain a hold in the NHL. Then again, maybe all he needs is a change of scenery and a kick in the pants being traded would likely bring. But as a former 2nd overall pick, the luster on him has worn off a bit so NJ would likely have to take a little less for him than they’d likely want. Probably similar to the deal Minnesota did to get David Jiricek.

The other young guy is Casey. Seamus is a talented kid. I recall liking him when he played for the NTDP and at Michigan. But he’s only 5’10” and that brings obvious limitations as a d-man.

Nemec would be the home run swing. Acquiring a guy you’d hope could regain his standing as a future #1 and become a star like many thought he could when he was drafted 2nd overall. Casey would be an add to shore up the 3rd pairing. Someone you know is better than Matt Kessel. A decent guy to have for a while to fill a spot until you found a better option.

I want no part of Meier’s contract - 6 more years at 8.8M.
Don't forget about Kovacevic. They gave him a 5-year contract.
Assuming that Nemec and Seamus are ready to be full time NHL'ers, that actually gives the Devils 5 RHD.

Right side:
Hamilton at 9 for 3 more years.
Pesce at 5.5 for 5 more years.
Kovacevic at 4 for 5 more years.
Nemec's entry deal expires after next season.
Casey's entry deal is up in 2 years.

On the left side:
Luke Hughes will get a nice raise this summer.
Dillon at 4 for 2 more years.
Siegenthaler at 3.4 for 3 more years.

Most of their 8 NHL d-men have good to great size.
New Jersey definitely will try to trade one of those RHD.
Their phone will be ringing off the hook because of the lack of supply of RHD.
I actually think they should trade Hamilton. Losing his salary coupled with Dillon's deal expiring the same year as Q. Hughes deal expires would give the Devils the cap space to sign Q. Hughes.

New Jersey also is set with their top 2 centers so in theory they already have the 2 toughest positions to fill.
They need two 2nd line wingers which are typically in abundance.
With just a few medium sized moves and a healthy roster next spring, the Devils will be one of the favorites in the east.

What are you willing to give up for Nemec?
I'd give up a LOT for Nemec.
Like something close to the David Jiricek trade.
I'd probably lead with a 1st and 3rd round pick(in different years) plus Jiricek.
It's very doubtful that New Jersey wants prospects and/or picks as the return in any trades they make this summer.
Their window is open and they desperately need top 6 winger help. There's a big drop off in talent after Bratt and Meier.
Noesen had an outlier year, but at best he's a 3rd liner. Same goes for Palat, Cotter, and Haula.

Markstrom is 35 and will be entering the last year of his contract.
The Devils have won 1 playoff round in the last 13 years. Fitzgerald wants immediate help.
Nemec was disgruntled with his extensive stay in the minors and is the obvious trading chip for NJ.

You have to give to get.
The Blues have plenty of NHL ready wingers:
Kyrou
Holloway
Buchnevich
Bolduc
Snuggerud
Neighbours


From the small sample size Snuggy looks like a top 6 winger very soon if not now.
Bolduc might be the key. If the Blues brass feels he is a top 6 winger that would open the possibility of trading Kyrou or Buchnevich. That would leave STL with Holloway, Snuggerud, Bolduc, and whoever they don't trade as their top 2 line wingers.
Neighbours is an ideal 3rd liner.

If Nemec develops that would give us the elusive young RHD that would balance out the LHD we have in the pipeline.

It appears Lindstein will be an NHL d-man. Hopefully we hit on 2 out of 3 in Fischer, Burns, and Ralph.
Assuming Broberg is re-signed and continues to develop we would be set on the port side for years.

Of course the dream is also for Jiricek to stay healthy and develop into a top 4 RHD.

Assuming your pro scouts say Nemec still checks most of the boxes and just needs a change of scenery that's the move guys.
He could play with Leddy on the 3rd pair for a year while Parayko and Faulk do most of the heavy lifting for another year on the right side.

Fowler-Parayko
Broberg-Faulk
Leddy-Nemec
Tucker

I haven't done a deep dive on the Devils cap situation but I'm guessing if they would take on Buchnevich (or Kyrou) that a salary dump player would be included with Nemec in the return.

All of this fun speculation doesn't include the ubiquitous NMC's..........
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