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Re: Trading for D is the play

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DawgDad wrote: 10 May 2025 11:31 am The issues with focusing on Brady or McAvoy are they'd come at a premium price and they are rarely the guy that's really available.
I just don't see how you go after Brady, he doesn't fill our biggest needs and would cost the assets needed for us to fill our biggest needs.
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Re: Trading for D is the play

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TAFKAP wrote: 10 May 2025 12:45 pm Army doesn't miss much, but, IMHO he should have taken care of the 2C issue last year. We all were pretty shocked to see what a guy like Monahan signed for with CBJ but absolutely lived up to it (before getting injured) and that's before the salary cap went up. He's going to have to get a mask nobody has seen him in and polish up his six shooter, because it looks like the only answer at 2C this year is going to have to involve a robbery.

Here's hoping.
I bet Army tried but a year ago, was STL a desired UFA landing spot? No. Regarding Monahan specifically, he signed with CBJ to play with his best friend Johnny Gaudreau…which…yeah, sad story there.

I bet STL is viewed a bit better as a destination this year compared to last.
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Re: Trading for D is the play

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STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 13:07 pm
TAFKAP wrote: 10 May 2025 12:45 pm Army doesn't miss much, but, IMHO he should have taken care of the 2C issue last year. We all were pretty shocked to see what a guy like Monahan signed for with CBJ but absolutely lived up to it (before getting injured) and that's before the salary cap went up. He's going to have to get a mask nobody has seen him in and polish up his six shooter, because it looks like the only answer at 2C this year is going to have to involve a robbery.

Here's hoping.
I bet Army tried but a year ago, was STL a desired UFA landing spot? No. Regarding Monahan specifically, he signed with CBJ to play with his best friend Johnny Gaudreau…which…yeah, sad story there.

I bet STL is viewed a bit better as a destination this year compared to last.
Monahan would have been the ideal 2c for this team, but that contract... yeesh
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Re: Trading for D is the play

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STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 13:07 pm
TAFKAP wrote: 10 May 2025 12:45 pm Army doesn't miss much, but, IMHO he should have taken care of the 2C issue last year. We all were pretty shocked to see what a guy like Monahan signed for with CBJ but absolutely lived up to it (before getting injured) and that's before the salary cap went up. He's going to have to get a mask nobody has seen him in and polish up his six shooter, because it looks like the only answer at 2C this year is going to have to involve a robbery.

Here's hoping.
I bet Army tried but a year ago, was STL a desired UFA landing spot? No. Regarding Monahan specifically, he signed with CBJ to play with his best friend Johnny Gaudreau…which…yeah, sad story there.

I bet STL is viewed a bit better as a destination this year compared to last.
I don't know why that never dawned on me. I couldn't wrap my head that he would go to CBJ. I forgot about Johnny. Makes perfect sense.
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Re: Trading for D is the play

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moose-and-squirrel wrote: 10 May 2025 13:33 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 13:07 pm
TAFKAP wrote: 10 May 2025 12:45 pm Army doesn't miss much, but, IMHO he should have taken care of the 2C issue last year. We all were pretty shocked to see what a guy like Monahan signed for with CBJ but absolutely lived up to it (before getting injured) and that's before the salary cap went up. He's going to have to get a mask nobody has seen him in and polish up his six shooter, because it looks like the only answer at 2C this year is going to have to involve a robbery.

Here's hoping.
I bet Army tried but a year ago, was STL a desired UFA landing spot? No. Regarding Monahan specifically, he signed with CBJ to play with his best friend Johnny Gaudreau…which…yeah, sad story there.

I bet STL is viewed a bit better as a destination this year compared to last.
Monahan would have been the ideal 2c for this team, but that contract... yeesh
He was a ppg player for CBJ before he got hurt. and once he returned as well. At the time it was signed, I ABSOLUTELY agree with you. Now, with the cap increasing more than his cap hit 3 of the next 5 years, it's a steal.
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TAFKAP wrote: 10 May 2025 13:51 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: 10 May 2025 13:33 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 13:07 pm
TAFKAP wrote: 10 May 2025 12:45 pm Army doesn't miss much, but, IMHO he should have taken care of the 2C issue last year. We all were pretty shocked to see what a guy like Monahan signed for with CBJ but absolutely lived up to it (before getting injured) and that's before the salary cap went up. He's going to have to get a mask nobody has seen him in and polish up his six shooter, because it looks like the only answer at 2C this year is going to have to involve a robbery.

Here's hoping.
I bet Army tried but a year ago, was STL a desired UFA landing spot? No. Regarding Monahan specifically, he signed with CBJ to play with his best friend Johnny Gaudreau…which…yeah, sad story there.

I bet STL is viewed a bit better as a destination this year compared to last.
Monahan would have been the ideal 2c for this team, but that contract... yeesh
He was a ppg player for CBJ before he got hurt. and once he returned as well. At the time it was signed, I ABSOLUTELY agree with you. Now, with the cap increasing more than his cap hit 3 of the next 5 years, it's a steal.
I was always leary of his injury history. dude is always hurt. and they signed him till his age 34yr. very risky.

would a Barbashev work as a 2c here?
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I don’t think so. Leddy has one more year. You have a handful of prospects ready for the following year. Kessel is #7
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moose-and-squirrel wrote: 11 May 2025 09:12 am
TAFKAP wrote: 10 May 2025 13:51 pm
moose-and-squirrel wrote: 10 May 2025 13:33 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 13:07 pm
TAFKAP wrote: 10 May 2025 12:45 pm Army doesn't miss much, but, IMHO he should have taken care of the 2C issue last year. We all were pretty shocked to see what a guy like Monahan signed for with CBJ but absolutely lived up to it (before getting injured) and that's before the salary cap went up. He's going to have to get a mask nobody has seen him in and polish up his six shooter, because it looks like the only answer at 2C this year is going to have to involve a robbery.

Here's hoping.
I bet Army tried but a year ago, was STL a desired UFA landing spot? No. Regarding Monahan specifically, he signed with CBJ to play with his best friend Johnny Gaudreau…which…yeah, sad story there.

I bet STL is viewed a bit better as a destination this year compared to last.
Monahan would have been the ideal 2c for this team, but that contract... yeesh
He was a ppg player for CBJ before he got hurt. and once he returned as well. At the time it was signed, I ABSOLUTELY agree with you. Now, with the cap increasing more than his cap hit 3 of the next 5 years, it's a steal.
I was always leary of his injury history. dude is always hurt. and they signed him till his age 34yr. very risky.

would a Barbashev work as a 2c here?
Barbs isn’t a center at this point in his career. He has been pretty much exclusively a winger with Vegas.
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Re: Trading for D is the play

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moose-and-squirrel wrote: 10 May 2025 13:33 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 10 May 2025 13:07 pm
TAFKAP wrote: 10 May 2025 12:45 pm Army doesn't miss much, but, IMHO he should have taken care of the 2C issue last year. We all were pretty shocked to see what a guy like Monahan signed for with CBJ but absolutely lived up to it (before getting injured) and that's before the salary cap went up. He's going to have to get a mask nobody has seen him in and polish up his six shooter, because it looks like the only answer at 2C this year is going to have to involve a robbery.

Here's hoping.
I bet Army tried but a year ago, was STL a desired UFA landing spot? No. Regarding Monahan specifically, he signed with CBJ to play with his best friend Johnny Gaudreau…which…yeah, sad story there.

I bet STL is viewed a bit better as a destination this year compared to last.
Monahan would have been the ideal 2c for this team, but that contract... yeesh
What...$5.5mill per? Guess how much we're paying Joseph and Texier this season and next? The amount of wasted payroll on guys like Joseph, like Texier, like Leddy, players who can be replaced with what we already got...you take that money and you have $8mil-$9mill to pull from to get you what you need. Throw Kyrou in and we have a nice mint to get us what we need; 2nd line center and a top pairing Dman.
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Re: Trading for D is the play

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seattleblue wrote: 10 May 2025 11:23 am
[This player is absolutely also not Blake Fiddler of the Edmonton Oil Kings]
If we keep our pick. Why the hate on this kid? Him or Hensler could be good value at 19. There’s no Robert Thomas at C at 19 this year.
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Re: Trading for D is the play

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stljrs wrote: 11 May 2025 11:07 am
seattleblue wrote: 10 May 2025 11:23 am
[This player is absolutely also not Blake Fiddler of the Edmonton Oil Kings]
If we keep our pick. Why the hate on this kid? Him or Hensler could be good value at 19. There’s no Robert Thomas at C at 19 this year.
I watched him play quite a bit this year, he is on Jecho's team. Blake Fiddler as a first round pick to anyone is absurd

If you catch up with the thread I posted a quote from the very link the OP gave about Fiddler and they are describing exactly the player I saw. They are literally saying, yes he makes terrible decisions and has no hockey sense or offense and can't handle the puck, but a great place to figure all that out is at the NHL level. That is so dumb I don't know what to do with it
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Actually not in this thread. Multiple threads about Blake Fiddler lol. It's in the thread about the three prospects the Blues should target. This is the writeup for him:
The only issue with his performance is that his offensive game is weak, as he only put up 33 points through 64 games with the Edmonton Oil Kings this season. Fiddler also lacks a sound puck-handling ability and is known to make bad decisions under pressure, and take too many penalties, which the Blues want to do less if they want to become a consistent playoff contender.

That said, these weaknesses in Fiddler’s game are fixable once he gets to the NHL level and can work on them slowly in his development process.
Bolded is insane.
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seattleblue wrote: 11 May 2025 11:31 am Actually not in this thread. Multiple threads about Blake Fiddler lol. It's in the thread about the three prospects the Blues should target. This is the writeup for him:
The only issue with his performance is that his offensive game is weak, as he only put up 33 points through 64 games with the Edmonton Oil Kings this season. Fiddler also lacks a sound puck-handling ability and is known to make bad decisions under pressure, and take too many penalties, which the Blues want to do less if they want to become a consistent playoff contender.

That said, these weaknesses in Fiddler’s game are fixable once he gets to the NHL level and can work on them slowly in his development process.
Bolded is insane.
lol What? You don't think those things will clear right up once he is in the NHL?
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Re: Trading for D is the play

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skilles wrote: 11 May 2025 11:44 am
seattleblue wrote: 11 May 2025 11:31 am Actually not in this thread. Multiple threads about Blake Fiddler lol. It's in the thread about the three prospects the Blues should target. This is the writeup for him:
The only issue with his performance is that his offensive game is weak, as he only put up 33 points through 64 games with the Edmonton Oil Kings this season. Fiddler also lacks a sound puck-handling ability and is known to make bad decisions under pressure, and take too many penalties, which the Blues want to do less if they want to become a consistent playoff contender.

That said, these weaknesses in Fiddler’s game are fixable once he gets to the NHL level and can work on them slowly in his development process.
Bolded is insane.
lol What? You don't think those things will clear right up once he is in the NHL?
See the bad news is he's inept offensively, makes terrible decisions against kids, easily pressured by kids, and handcuffs his team with penalties too frequently. But the GOOD news is what a pick! They can just put him in the lineup and slowly he can work on all these major problems against the fastest, best adult players in the world.
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seattleblue wrote: 11 May 2025 11:51 am
skilles wrote: 11 May 2025 11:44 am
seattleblue wrote: 11 May 2025 11:31 am Actually not in this thread. Multiple threads about Blake Fiddler lol. It's in the thread about the three prospects the Blues should target. This is the writeup for him:
The only issue with his performance is that his offensive game is weak, as he only put up 33 points through 64 games with the Edmonton Oil Kings this season. Fiddler also lacks a sound puck-handling ability and is known to make bad decisions under pressure, and take too many penalties, which the Blues want to do less if they want to become a consistent playoff contender.

That said, these weaknesses in Fiddler’s game are fixable once he gets to the NHL level and can work on them slowly in his development process.
Bolded is insane.
lol What? You don't think those things will clear right up once he is in the NHL?
See the bad news is he's inept offensively, makes terrible decisions against kids, easily pressured by kids, and handcuffs his team with penalties too frequently. But the GOOD news is what a pick! They can just put him in the lineup and slowly he can work on all these major problems against the fastest, best adult players in the world.
Did you watch him in the u18’s because he was very good and not to mention named captain of the team. USA coach has nothing but glowing things to say about Fiddler who was also named team captain. Fiddler led Team USA in ice-time and the USA outscored their opponents by a wide margin when he was on the ice during the u18’s.
He could be an absolute force of a dman by the time he’s 24/25.
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Pierre McGuire wrote: 11 May 2025 12:01 pm
seattleblue wrote: 11 May 2025 11:51 am
skilles wrote: 11 May 2025 11:44 am
seattleblue wrote: 11 May 2025 11:31 am Actually not in this thread. Multiple threads about Blake Fiddler lol. It's in the thread about the three prospects the Blues should target. This is the writeup for him:
The only issue with his performance is that his offensive game is weak, as he only put up 33 points through 64 games with the Edmonton Oil Kings this season. Fiddler also lacks a sound puck-handling ability and is known to make bad decisions under pressure, and take too many penalties, which the Blues want to do less if they want to become a consistent playoff contender.

That said, these weaknesses in Fiddler’s game are fixable once he gets to the NHL level and can work on them slowly in his development process.
Bolded is insane.
lol What? You don't think those things will clear right up once he is in the NHL?
See the bad news is he's inept offensively, makes terrible decisions against kids, easily pressured by kids, and handcuffs his team with penalties too frequently. But the GOOD news is what a pick! They can just put him in the lineup and slowly he can work on all these major problems against the fastest, best adult players in the world.
Did you watch him in the u18’s because he was very good and not to mention named captain of the team. USA coach has nothing but glowing things to say about Fiddler who was also named team captain. Fiddler led Team USA in ice-time and the USA outscored their opponents by a wide margin when he was on the ice during the u18’s.
He could be an absolute force of a dman by the time he’s 24/25.
Super reasonable data point about his play on a different stage/team. Maybe someone will talk themselves into it but I really hope it's not the Blues. If it is the Blues I hope I'm wrong about him.
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