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Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 07 May 2025 20:31 pm
by Alex Reyes Cy Young
Not signing Bryce Harper. ~300 was a steal.
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 07 May 2025 21:15 pm
by JuanAgosto
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 19:30 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 16:37 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:42 pm
Dewey Kuey wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:22 pm
Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.
I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.
While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.
The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.
Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.
Disagree.
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 07 May 2025 22:23 pm
by bfib
Dewey Kuey wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:22 pm
Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.
They have a young, talented second baseman. Two of them actually.
It was always the correct move to give Gorman runway. He’s got the most power potential in the system. The leash has to be getting short though at this point.
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 07 May 2025 22:35 pm
by An Old Friend
IDK, I'm going with Pete Kozma.
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 07 May 2025 22:38 pm
by An Old Friend
Blaming Mike Matheny
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 07 May 2025 23:17 pm
by JuanAgosto
1. Keeping Mo this long.
2. Letting Mo hire managers.
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 08 May 2025 09:29 am
by ScotchMIrish
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 21:15 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 19:30 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 16:37 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:42 pm
Dewey Kuey wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:22 pm
Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.
I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.
While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.
The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.
Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.
Disagree.
12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.
When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 08 May 2025 09:30 am
by craviduce
An Old Friend wrote: ↑07 May 2025 22:35 pm
IDK, I'm going with Pete Kozma.
I agree. He was my bust from the Biggest Bust draft thread
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 08 May 2025 09:52 am
by RamFan08NY
Keith Hernandez. They got absolutely nothing in that trade.
I'd also agree on not signing Bryce Harper. The team needed his fire the past several years.
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 08 May 2025 10:04 am
by thetank2
RamFan08NY wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:52 am
Keith Hernandez. They got absolutely nothing in that trade.
I'd also agree on not signing Bryce Harper. The team needed his fire the past several years.
Keith was there for 3 or so years. He couldn't stay in St. Louis.
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 08 May 2025 10:16 am
by thetank2
Trading Johnny Mize at end of 1941 season.
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 08 May 2025 19:10 pm
by JuanAgosto
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:29 am
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 21:15 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 19:30 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 16:37 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:42 pm
Dewey Kuey wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:22 pm
Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.
I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.
While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.
The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.
Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.
Disagree.
12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.
When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.
I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.
As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 08 May 2025 19:22 pm
by Cranny
As Absolut said, trading Carlton
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 08 May 2025 19:24 pm
by Absolut
Cranny wrote: ↑08 May 2025 19:22 pm
As Absolut said, trading Carlton
Andy van Slyke hurt too.
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 08 May 2025 19:44 pm
by Cranny
Absolut wrote: ↑08 May 2025 19:24 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑08 May 2025 19:22 pm
As Absolut said, trading Carlton
Andy van Slyke hurt too.
True, but Carlton was a future HOFer.
Re: The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made
Posted: 08 May 2025 20:48 pm
by ScotchMIrish
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑08 May 2025 19:10 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑08 May 2025 09:29 am
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 21:15 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 19:30 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑07 May 2025 16:37 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:42 pm
Dewey Kuey wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:22 pm
Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.
I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.
While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.
The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.
Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.
Disagree.
12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.
When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.
I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.
As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.
I posted the numbers. Yankees had great players before and after Torre also but never replicated his success. Torre played a major role in the Yankees acquiring those players. He told the front office what he wanted.