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For his career, Noot slashes .270 / .374 / .424 / .799 with RISP

Higher than his career slash of .245 / .351 / .424 / .775

Slugs the same, but gets more hits and reaches base more with RISP

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:53 am Noot

Top 4% in lowest chase rate
Top 5% BB rate

Thereby proving the OP's point.
Mootbaar is one of the most passive players in MLB.
Which is why he is bad at driving in runs.

Cranny wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:50 am I don't understand any player that looks at a third strike. Especially with runners on base. We were taught in little league, high school, college, and semi-pro to always be ready to swing at anything close with two strikes. I don't buy the
"looking for something else to swing at" argument.

Smart man.
Situational awareness.
The key to quality baseball.

Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:57 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:53 am Noot

Top 4% in lowest chase rate
Top 5% BB rate

Thereby proving the OP's point.
Mootbaar is one of the most passive players in MLB.
Which is why he is bad at driving in runs.

You know what I want from my lead-off hitter mel?

I want him to GET ON BASE via hit, walk or HBP.

Noot does this as well as almost any leadoff hitter in MLB, .373 OB% (that ranks #5 in MLB among lead-off hitters w/at least 100 PA's)!

NOW

If he was hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th, then I'm on your side.

BUT

NOT at lead-off.

JMO

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:04 am

Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:57 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:53 am Noot

Top 4% in lowest chase rate
Top 5% BB rate

Thereby proving the OP's point.
Mootbaar is one of the most passive players in MLB.
Which is why he is bad at driving in runs.

You know what I want from my lead-off hitter mel?

I want him to GET ON BASE via hit, walk or HBP.

Noot does this as well as almost any leadoff hitter in MLB, .373 OB% (that ranks #5 in MLB among lead-off hitters w/at least 100 PA's)!

NOW

If he was hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th, then I'm on your side.

BUT

NOT at lead-off.

JMO

And IF he was hitting 3rd, 4th, or 5th and put into the MOTO role, I bet he'd adjust and become more aggressive.
Good player, adjusting to the role he's in to best help the team.
Only the agenda driven or the fans that just don't get it can't see his great value to the team.

Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:57 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:53 am Noot

Top 4% in lowest chase rate
Top 5% BB rate

Thereby proving the OP's point.
Mootbaar is one of the most passive players in MLB.
Which is why he is bad at driving in runs.

Which is why his role is LEADOFF hitter and not middle of the order hitter. His job is to get on base and he excels at that. And even beyond that he has pretty decent power for the leadoff spot. He’s pretty close to an ideal leadoff hitter.

JDW wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:58 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:04 am

Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:57 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:53 am Noot

Top 4% in lowest chase rate
Top 5% BB rate

Thereby proving the OP's point.
Mootbaar is one of the most passive players in MLB.
Which is why he is bad at driving in runs.

You know what I want from my lead-off hitter mel?

I want him to GET ON BASE via hit, walk or HBP.

Noot does this as well as almost any leadoff hitter in MLB, .373 OB% (that ranks #5 in MLB among lead-off hitters w/at least 100 PA's)!

NOW

If he was hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th, then I'm on your side.

BUT

NOT at lead-off.

JMO

And IF he was hitting 3rd, 4th, or 5th and put into the MOTO role, I bet he'd adjust and become more aggressive.
Good player, adjusting to the role he's in to best help the team.
Only the agenda driven or the fans that just don't get it can't see his great value to the team.

Agreed

He's stated multiple times he's got an "old school" mentality of what a lead-off man should do (work the count, see as many pitches as he can, get on base anyway he can, ect...) and IMO this is 100% the right mindset.

Mel has had a vendetta against him and w/every success Noot has it makes his position look worse and worse.

Web7 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 07:09 am Just think how many more he could have if he actually swung the bat….if he wasn’t always looking for the almighty two out two strike walk

Of the 9 Cardinal players with 40+ PAs with men on base, Nootbar has the fourth lowest strikeouts per plate appearance in those situations on the team. He is tied with the second most RBIs. Where should he rank?

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:46 am

JDW wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:58 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:04 am

Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:57 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:53 am Noot

Top 4% in lowest chase rate
Top 5% BB rate

Thereby proving the OP's point.
Mootbaar is one of the most passive players in MLB.
Which is why he is bad at driving in runs.

You know what I want from my lead-off hitter mel?

I want him to GET ON BASE via hit, walk or HBP.

Noot does this as well as almost any leadoff hitter in MLB, .373 OB% (that ranks #5 in MLB among lead-off hitters w/at least 100 PA's)!

NOW

If he was hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th, then I'm on your side.

BUT

NOT at lead-off.

JMO

And IF he was hitting 3rd, 4th, or 5th and put into the MOTO role, I bet he'd adjust and become more aggressive.
Good player, adjusting to the role he's in to best help the team.
Only the agenda driven or the fans that just don't get it can't see his great value to the team.

Agreed

He's stated multiple times he's got an "old school" mentality of what a lead-off man should do (work the count, see as many pitches as he can, get on base anyway he can, ect...) and IMO this is 100% the right mindset.

Mel has had a vendetta against him and w/every success Noot has it makes his position look worse and worse.

At least Mel has Gorman to fall back on

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:04 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:46 am

JDW wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:58 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:04 am

Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:57 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:53 am Noot

Top 4% in lowest chase rate
Top 5% BB rate

Thereby proving the OP's point.
Mootbaar is one of the most passive players in MLB.
Which is why he is bad at driving in runs.

You know what I want from my lead-off hitter mel?

I want him to GET ON BASE via hit, walk or HBP.

Noot does this as well as almost any leadoff hitter in MLB, .373 OB% (that ranks #5 in MLB among lead-off hitters w/at least 100 PA's)!

NOW

If he was hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th, then I'm on your side.

BUT

NOT at lead-off.

JMO

And IF he was hitting 3rd, 4th, or 5th and put into the MOTO role, I bet he'd adjust and become more aggressive.
Good player, adjusting to the role he's in to best help the team.
Only the agenda driven or the fans that just don't get it can't see his great value to the team.

Agreed

He's stated multiple times he's got an "old school" mentality of what a lead-off man should do (work the count, see as many pitches as he can, get on base anyway he can, ect...) and IMO this is 100% the right mindset.

Mel has had a vendetta against him and w/every success Noot has it makes his position look worse and worse.

At least Mel has Gorman to fall back on

The UNiKKKKorn

JDW wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:58 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:04 am

Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:57 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:53 am Noot

Top 4% in lowest chase rate
Top 5% BB rate

Thereby proving the OP's point.
Mootbaar is one of the most passive players in MLB.
Which is why he is bad at driving in runs.

You know what I want from my lead-off hitter mel?

I want him to GET ON BASE via hit, walk or HBP.

Noot does this as well as almost any leadoff hitter in MLB, .373 OB% (that ranks #5 in MLB among lead-off hitters w/at least 100 PA's)!

NOW

If he was hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th, then I'm on your side.

BUT

NOT at lead-off.

JMO

And IF he was hitting 3rd, 4th, or 5th and put into the MOTO role, I bet he'd adjust and become more aggressive.
Good player, adjusting to the role he's in to best help the team.
Only the agenda driven or the fans that just don't get it can't see his great value to the team.

Is he a lead off hitter if guys are on base?
The situation should dictate what your top of the lineup hitters do within in their profiles.
The situation asked simply for a hit, not a HR, just a hit.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:04 am

Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:57 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:53 am Noot

Top 4% in lowest chase rate
Top 5% BB rate

Thereby proving the OP's point.
Mootbaar is one of the most passive players in MLB.
Which is why he is bad at driving in runs.

You know what I want from my lead-off hitter mel?

I want him to GET ON BASE via hit, walk or HBP.

Noot does this as well as almost any leadoff hitter in MLB, .373 OB% (that ranks #5 in MLB among lead-off hitters w/at least 100 PA's)!

NOW

If he was hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th, then I'm on your side.

BUT

NOT at lead-off.

JMO

That passivity and pursuit of walks would fit very well indeed - hitting 9th.
Some folks interpret that as a slight.
But in this DH era, it isn't.
That spot has a role in the lineup far different than that of a couple of decades ago.
Scott's speed at leadoff would be far more productive for the 2-3-4 hitters who would follow - because he is much better at getting himself into scoring position and can score in so many more scenarios than Mootbaar can.
Plus, Mootbaar is once again nearly helpless against LH pitching and hitting him 9th would make it far easier to switch him out of the game in late innings in favor of a RH bat against a LH reliever.
Frankly, this isn't even a close call and I am a bit surprised that there would be any disagreement among knowledgeable baseball people.
Zero question than Mootbaar 9, Scott 1, and Winn 2 is the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.

renostl wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:23 pm

JDW wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:58 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:04 am

Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:57 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:53 am Noot

Top 4% in lowest chase rate
Top 5% BB rate

Thereby proving the OP's point.
Mootbaar is one of the most passive players in MLB.
Which is why he is bad at driving in runs.

You know what I want from my lead-off hitter mel?

I want him to GET ON BASE via hit, walk or HBP.

Noot does this as well as almost any leadoff hitter in MLB, .373 OB% (that ranks #5 in MLB among lead-off hitters w/at least 100 PA's)!

NOW

If he was hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th, then I'm on your side.

BUT

NOT at lead-off.

JMO

And IF he was hitting 3rd, 4th, or 5th and put into the MOTO role, I bet he'd adjust and become more aggressive.
Good player, adjusting to the role he's in to best help the team.
Only the agenda driven or the fans that just don't get it can't see his great value to the team.

Is he a lead off hitter if guys are on base?
The situation should dictate what your top of the lineup hitters do within in their profiles.
The situation asked simply for a hit, not a HR, just a hit.

Obviously the correct perspective.
In the moment, situational awareness required attempting to put the ball in play.
Zero reasonable dispute of that fact.
Mootbaar is just like Carpenter - obsessed with taking pitces and drawing walks with no regard whatsoever to what the situation actually requires.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:04 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 10:46 am

JDW wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:58 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:04 am

Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:57 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:53 am Noot

Top 4% in lowest chase rate
Top 5% BB rate

Thereby proving the OP's point.
Mootbaar is one of the most passive players in MLB.
Which is why he is bad at driving in runs.

You know what I want from my lead-off hitter mel?

I want him to GET ON BASE via hit, walk or HBP.

Noot does this as well as almost any leadoff hitter in MLB, .373 OB% (that ranks #5 in MLB among lead-off hitters w/at least 100 PA's)!

NOW

If he was hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th, then I'm on your side.

BUT

NOT at lead-off.

JMO

And IF he was hitting 3rd, 4th, or 5th and put into the MOTO role, I bet he'd adjust and become more aggressive.
Good player, adjusting to the role he's in to best help the team.
Only the agenda driven or the fans that just don't get it can't see his great value to the team.

Agreed

He's stated multiple times he's got an "old school" mentality of what a lead-off man should do (work the count, see as many pitches as he can, get on base anyway he can, ect...) and IMO this is 100% the right mindset.

Mel has had a vendetta against him and w/every success Noot has it makes his position look worse and worse.

At least Mel has Gorman to fall back on

And even Gorman is doing better than Mootbaar at driving in runs.
You prove my point.

Cranny wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:50 am I don't understand any player that looks at a third strike. Especially with runners on base. We were taught in little league, high school, college, and semi-pro to always be ready to swing at anything close with two strikes. I don't buy the
"looking for something else to swing at" argument.

Not always that easy, and i played at all the levels you listed including semi pro (independent league). If you can't understand how someone could look at a third strike clearly you have not played at that level

renostl wrote: ↑06 May 2025 13:23 pm

JDW wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:58 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 09:04 am

Melville wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:57 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 May 2025 08:53 am Noot

Top 4% in lowest chase rate
Top 5% BB rate

Thereby proving the OP's point.
Mootbaar is one of the most passive players in MLB.
Which is why he is bad at driving in runs.

You know what I want from my lead-off hitter mel?

I want him to GET ON BASE via hit, walk or HBP.

Noot does this as well as almost any leadoff hitter in MLB, .373 OB% (that ranks #5 in MLB among lead-off hitters w/at least 100 PA's)!

NOW

If he was hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th, then I'm on your side.

BUT

NOT at lead-off.

JMO

And IF he was hitting 3rd, 4th, or 5th and put into the MOTO role, I bet he'd adjust and become more aggressive.
Good player, adjusting to the role he's in to best help the team.
Only the agenda driven or the fans that just don't get it can't see his great value to the team.

Is he a lead off hitter if guys are on base?
The situation should dictate what your top of the lineup hitters do within in their profiles.
The situation asked simply for a hit, not a HR, just a hit.

And his OPS with RISP is close to .800 as I saw earlier today on here, either in this thread or another currently hanging on to the 1st page.