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A stylish post!Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 09:28 amI correctly said it in the offseason . Relievers are rarely consistent. Josh hader one of the best in the game has had ERAs of 5.22 1.28 3.80 1.80 in the past four seasons Edwin Diaz 1.31 3.52 and 4.50. Helsely had 4 blown saves all of last season he wasn’t going to have a repeat season that good again especially since he has never thrown 50 or more innings in back to back seasons so given it was a very slim chance of repeating i correctly said he should have been traded in the offseason season. Instead now hes already blown 2 saves in just 6 chances and his value goes down by the day. Easy obvious correct he should have been traded but slow Mo again did not trade a player at peak valueMelville wrote: ↑03 May 2025 08:15 amNo, he is not starting to slide.
Yes, losing (TOXIC CULTURE) has infected the entire organization.
Yes, it is hard for any closer to harness his customary aggressiveness to pitch the 9th in a blowout loss.
No, he can't be used correctly when working for a team which rarely provides save opportunities - and that problem will only continue to get worse as long as The Marmot is allowed to remain a dead man walking because his presence serves only to remind the team that winning is not the goal, not the expectation.
Yes, at this point STL needs to trade him since they ignored the opportunity to sign him to an extension last year - which would have been the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION as I expertly advised at the time.
They don''t call him super slow Mo for nothing. A regular Nero fiddling while the Cardinals burn.greyhawk wrote: ↑03 May 2025 13:10 pm Helsley heats up with the weather -- most power pitchers do better in the warmth of summer, its may 3rd. He likely won't be as good as last year but until or if his velocity drops he has value and potentially a lot of value if more teams have closers go down...if only it weren't MO being the decision maker on this.
Mo blows it AGAIN!Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 10:56 amHelselys value is going down. He had a great year only blew 4 saves and had an entire year of control left and you think his value will be up at the deadline now that he’s having a worse season than last season and will only have a few months of control left and the team that gets him won’t be able to offer a QO? lol must be fun to view the world through cardinals colored glassesRed7 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 10:37 am One more time: Helsley has a history of being good one year, injured the next. The other teams know this. Oh sure, they were “interested”, at pennies on the dollar. Look what the Brewers got for Devin Williams: an inconsistent starter with personal problems and one year of control and a prospect not even in the Yankees’ Top 30. You guys would have crucified Mo for that return. Helsley’s value is not going down. There’s only one way for it to go and it’s up. If he stays healthy, he’ll get a better return than the Brewers got for Williams. As for Fedde, when teams can sign a Jose Quintana for $5 million, why would they give up much value for Fedde? The Cardinals need VALUE, not just SOMETHING for Helsley and Fedde. Both will be dealt at or before the deadline. The return WILL be greater than in the offseason.
For those who want Helsley signed to an extension, they can always re-sign him in the offseason.
We could have gotten a haul in the offseason? What were the offers? Tell me what deals did Mo turn down?rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 May 2025 13:57 pmMo blows it AGAIN!Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 10:56 amHelselys value is going down. He had a great year only blew 4 saves and had an entire year of control left and you think his value will be up at the deadline now that he’s having a worse season than last season and will only have a few months of control left and the team that gets him won’t be able to offer a QO? lol must be fun to view the world through cardinals colored glassesRed7 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 10:37 am One more time: Helsley has a history of being good one year, injured the next. The other teams know this. Oh sure, they were “interested”, at pennies on the dollar. Look what the Brewers got for Devin Williams: an inconsistent starter with personal problems and one year of control and a prospect not even in the Yankees’ Top 30. You guys would have crucified Mo for that return. Helsley’s value is not going down. There’s only one way for it to go and it’s up. If he stays healthy, he’ll get a better return than the Brewers got for Williams. As for Fedde, when teams can sign a Jose Quintana for $5 million, why would they give up much value for Fedde? The Cardinals need VALUE, not just SOMETHING for Helsley and Fedde. Both will be dealt at or before the deadline. The return WILL be greater than in the offseason.
For those who want Helsley signed to an extension, they can always re-sign him in the offseason.
Could've traded the NL Fireman of the Yea in the offseason for a haul.
Moron can't be gone soon enough.
yScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 May 2025 21:28 pm Why trade him for what likely would be peanuts instead of getting the draft pick for someone signing after he turns down the qualifying offer?
This…riff raff wrote: ↑03 May 2025 14:10 pmWe could have gotten a haul in the offseason? What were the offers? Tell me what deals did Mo turn down?rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 May 2025 13:57 pmMo blows it AGAIN!Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 10:56 amHelselys value is going down. He had a great year only blew 4 saves and had an entire year of control left and you think his value will be up at the deadline now that he’s having a worse season than last season and will only have a few months of control left and the team that gets him won’t be able to offer a QO? lol must be fun to view the world through cardinals colored glassesRed7 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 10:37 am One more time: Helsley has a history of being good one year, injured the next. The other teams know this. Oh sure, they were “interested”, at pennies on the dollar. Look what the Brewers got for Devin Williams: an inconsistent starter with personal problems and one year of control and a prospect not even in the Yankees’ Top 30. You guys would have crucified Mo for that return. Helsley’s value is not going down. There’s only one way for it to go and it’s up. If he stays healthy, he’ll get a better return than the Brewers got for Williams. As for Fedde, when teams can sign a Jose Quintana for $5 million, why would they give up much value for Fedde? The Cardinals need VALUE, not just SOMETHING for Helsley and Fedde. Both will be dealt at or before the deadline. The return WILL be greater than in the offseason.
For those who want Helsley signed to an extension, they can always re-sign him in the offseason.
Could've traded the NL Fireman of the Yea in the offseason for a haul.
Moron can't be gone soon enough.
God, you're an idiot. Where are the Bloom connections? The pixie dust he uses to swindle other GM's?
Just shut up already or go ahead and make up something... which is your MO.
Exactly. And, frankly, no reliever is worth $20 million. Next man up.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 21:40 pmyScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 May 2025 21:28 pm Why trade him for what likely would be peanuts instead of getting the draft pick for someone signing after he turns down the qualifying offer?
If he continues to be mediocre he would never turn it down and cards aren’t going to shell out 20
Million on a reliever no matter how good they are cards will never take the risk of giving him QO and he accepts. So if they keep him he walks for nothing
The way that a QO might have been possible is IFOzziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 21:40 pmyScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 May 2025 21:28 pm Why trade him for what likely would be peanuts instead of getting the draft pick for someone signing after he turns down the qualifying offer?
If he continues to be mediocre he would never turn it down and cards aren’t going to shell out 20
Million on a reliever no matter how good they are cards will never take the risk of giving him QO and he accepts. So if they keep him he walks for nothing
There are some gems found in trading the proven veteran for prospects, I get that it can happen.riff raff wrote: ↑03 May 2025 14:10 pmWe could have gotten a haul in the offseason? What were the offers? Tell me what deals did Mo turn down?rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 May 2025 13:57 pmMo blows it AGAIN!Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 10:56 amHelselys value is going down. He had a great year only blew 4 saves and had an entire year of control left and you think his value will be up at the deadline now that he’s having a worse season than last season and will only have a few months of control left and the team that gets him won’t be able to offer a QO? lol must be fun to view the world through cardinals colored glassesRed7 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 10:37 am One more time: Helsley has a history of being good one year, injured the next. The other teams know this. Oh sure, they were “interested”, at pennies on the dollar. Look what the Brewers got for Devin Williams: an inconsistent starter with personal problems and one year of control and a prospect not even in the Yankees’ Top 30. You guys would have crucified Mo for that return. Helsley’s value is not going down. There’s only one way for it to go and it’s up. If he stays healthy, he’ll get a better return than the Brewers got for Williams. As for Fedde, when teams can sign a Jose Quintana for $5 million, why would they give up much value for Fedde? The Cardinals need VALUE, not just SOMETHING for Helsley and Fedde. Both will be dealt at or before the deadline. The return WILL be greater than in the offseason.
For those who want Helsley signed to an extension, they can always re-sign him in the offseason.
Could've traded the NL Fireman of the Yea in the offseason for a haul.
Moron can't be gone soon enough.
God, you're an idiot. Where are the Bloom connections? The pixie dust he uses to swindle other GM's?
Just shut up already or go ahead and make up something... which is your MO.
Mel,Melville wrote: ↑03 May 2025 08:15 amNo, he is not starting to slide.
Yes, losing (TOXIC CULTURE) has infected the entire organization.
Yes, it is hard for any closer to harness his customary aggressiveness to pitch the 9th in a blowout loss.
No, he can't be used correctly when working for a team which rarely provides save opportunities - and that problem will only continue to get worse as long as The Marmot is allowed to remain a dead man walking because his presence serves only to remind the team that winning is not the goal, not the expectation.
Yes, at this point STL needs to trade him since they ignored the opportunity to sign him to an extension last year - which would have been the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION as I expertly advised at the time.
What would you give in exchange for a mediocre reliever who is a pending free agent?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 21:40 pmyScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 May 2025 21:28 pm Why trade him for what likely would be peanuts instead of getting the draft pick for someone signing after he turns down the qualifying offer?
If he continues to be mediocre he would never turn it down and cards aren’t going to shell out 20
Million on a reliever no matter how good they are cards will never take the risk of giving him QO and he accepts. So if they keep him he walks for nothing
Getting something for him would be better than getting nothing even if it’s no more than a decent relief pitcher prospect. Like I said Mo was dumb to not trade him in the offseason but he likes to wait until they have very little valueScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 May 2025 08:09 amWhat would you give in exchange for a mediocre reliever who is a pending free agent?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 21:40 pmyScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 May 2025 21:28 pm Why trade him for what likely would be peanuts instead of getting the draft pick for someone signing after he turns down the qualifying offer?
If he continues to be mediocre he would never turn it down and cards aren’t going to shell out 20
Million on a reliever no matter how good they are cards will never take the risk of giving him QO and he accepts. So if they keep him he walks for nothing
You would trade a decent relief pitcher prospect for a mediocre relief pitcher who is a rental?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 May 2025 10:05 amGetting something for him would be better than getting nothing even if it’s no more than a decent relief pitcher prospect. Like I said Mo was dumb to not trade him in the offseason but he likes to wait until they have very little valueScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 May 2025 08:09 amWhat would you give in exchange for a mediocre reliever who is a pending free agent?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 May 2025 21:40 pmyScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 May 2025 21:28 pm Why trade him for what likely would be peanuts instead of getting the draft pick for someone signing after he turns down the qualifying offer?
If he continues to be mediocre he would never turn it down and cards aren’t going to shell out 20
Million on a reliever no matter how good they are cards will never take the risk of giving him QO and he accepts. So if they keep him he walks for nothing