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Wattage wrote: ↑02 May 2025 11:21 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 May 2025 08:15 am Good morning.

It was obvious to all it was gonna rain. When and how long were the mystery. They have official weather on site. Oli knew the score.

Would we have been better off pushing his start back and doing a pen game. That’s what we got anyway- 6 innings of pen. And a loss. And three innings of our stud, and he got a loss.

Who would have been a good candidate to start? For three ish innings. Then bring Libby in for six.

Just an idea on strategy. Did we do it right. Was there a right/wrong.

Thoughts.

People like to play these fun games but there is no way you know for sure weather is hifting exactly after 3 innings. Heck sometimes predicted storms dont hit at all.
Weather forecasting is crapshoot that changes all the time. If he starts bullpen game and no rain comes til 5th inning or enough to stop game at all, then it ends up looking silly

There’s that. But it didn’t wait. And surely he had ML baseball in his ear.

I agree.

Wattage wrote: ↑02 May 2025 11:21 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 May 2025 08:15 am Good morning.

It was obvious to all it was gonna rain. When and how long were the mystery. They have official weather on site. Oli knew the score.

Would we have been better off pushing his start back and doing a pen game. That’s what we got anyway- 6 innings of pen. And a loss. And three innings of our stud, and he got a loss.

Who would have been a good candidate to start? For three ish innings. Then bring Libby in for six.

Just an idea on strategy. Did we do it right. Was there a right/wrong.

Thoughts.

People like to play these fun games but there is no way you know for sure weather is hifting exactly after 3 innings. Heck sometimes predicted storms dont hit at all.
Weather forecasting is crapshoot that changes all the time. If he starts bullpen game and no rain comes til 5th inning or enough to stop game at all, then it ends up looking silly

+1

Oh if injured himself slipping off the mound we would hear about it for awhile.

thetank2 wrote: ↑02 May 2025 11:25 am

Wattage wrote: ↑02 May 2025 11:21 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 May 2025 08:15 am Good morning.

It was obvious to all it was gonna rain. When and how long were the mystery. They have official weather on site. Oli knew the score.

Would we have been better off pushing his start back and doing a pen game. That’s what we got anyway- 6 innings of pen. And a loss. And three innings of our stud, and he got a loss.

Who would have been a good candidate to start? For three ish innings. Then bring Libby in for six.

Just an idea on strategy. Did we do it right. Was there a right/wrong.

Thoughts.

People like to play these fun games but there is no way you know for sure weather is hifting exactly after 3 innings. Heck sometimes predicted storms dont hit at all.
Weather forecasting is crapshoot that changes all the time. If he starts bullpen game and no rain comes til 5th inning or enough to stop game at all, then it ends up looking silly

+1

Oh if injured himself slipping off the mound we would hear about it for awhile.

A reliever could slip just as easily.

Banner29 wrote: ↑02 May 2025 11:14 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 May 2025 10:54 am

icon wrote: ↑02 May 2025 09:59 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 May 2025 08:48 am c'mon BDog, that would've required a deep thinking Manager which obvious excludes Oli.

And a manager who could do a simple task on his iPad like looking at weather radar.

Not that it mattered because they only scored one run anyway.

Can't wait for C. Bloom to hire his Manager, BDWJr better not make him keep Oli just to save a few bucks since Oli has a 2026 contract.

He can have the Girsch treatment and be reassigned somewhere else for all I care. Whatever. Just as long as he isn’t in the dugout. And I’m pretty sure he’s not making much comparative to any other manager out there

For sure banner

I'd send him where he belongs, back to the minor leagues!

(Agree, he can't be making much over $1M if that)

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 May 2025 08:15 am Good morning.

It was obvious to all it was gonna rain. When and how long were the mystery. They have official weather on site. Oli knew the score.

Would we have been better off pushing his start back and doing a pen game. That’s what we got anyway- 6 innings of pen. And a loss. And three innings of our stud, and he got a loss.

Who would have been a good candidate to start? For three ish innings. Then bring Libby in for six.

Just an idea on strategy. Did we do it right. Was there a right/wrong.

Thoughts.

Oli Fs up a lot of stuff and makes dumb, mind-numbing decisions every day, like bringing in LHP King to face a string of their best right-handed hitters. But sadly, I can't blame Oli for the weather, as much as I'd like to. lol

I don't think that's Marmols decision TBH

vegascardsfan5890 wrote: ↑02 May 2025 12:51 pm I don't think that's Marmols decision TBH

To start Libby? Or the weather.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 May 2025 08:15 am Good morning.

It was obvious to all it was gonna rain. When and how long were the mystery. They have official weather on site. Oli knew the score.

Would we have been better off pushing his start back and doing a pen game. That’s what we got anyway- 6 innings of pen. And a loss. And three innings of our stud, and he got a loss.

Who would have been a good candidate to start? For three ish innings. Then bring Libby in for six.

Just an idea on strategy. Did we do it right. Was there a right/wrong.

Thoughts.

Re: Good series by Cardinals getting split on road
Post by 12xu » 02 May 2025 07:46 am

TLR would have held back Liberatore and started one of the relievers due to the certainty of an early rain delay. He did this to Dusty and the cubs and it worked perfectly. Liberatore would have come in after the delay and pitched nearly the rest of the game.
Of course it is possible that the starting reliever(s) would have been torched and the outcome would have been just as awful. Still would have been necessary for the Cards offense to not go into the deep freeze.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 May 2025 09:17 am

JDW wrote: ↑02 May 2025 09:12 am Good thoughts Sike, or is it Psyche, ha?
Yeah, it was played wrong. Libby for the last 6 could have offered better odds. They rain was inevitable, and pretty obvious it was going to happen early.
Radar wasn't invented yesterday Oli.

Yea it was as clear it was gonna rain, maybe he thought it would be a short delay? But he has the best weather people surrounding him, surely he got good advice.

There is no guarantee we make it thru three unscathed anyway, but the strategy would have been refreshing.

According to the radio pregame they said the rain was shifting NW and there was a window to get it in.

hullie wrote: ↑02 May 2025 14:29 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 May 2025 09:17 am

JDW wrote: ↑02 May 2025 09:12 am Good thoughts Sike, or is it Psyche, ha?
Yeah, it was played wrong. Libby for the last 6 could have offered better odds. They rain was inevitable, and pretty obvious it was going to happen early.
Radar wasn't invented yesterday Oli.

Yea it was as clear it was gonna rain, maybe he thought it would be a short delay? But he has the best weather people surrounding him, surely he got good advice.

There is no guarantee we make it thru three unscathed anyway, but the strategy would have been refreshing.

According to the radio pregame they said the rain was shifting NW and there was a window to get it in.

Hmm, the radar I saw that today was pretty impressive for Cincy getting hit. High odds.
Wait, the betting sites should consider the weather as another thing to bet on. What time does it arrive or not, how much does it rain, etc.
Nah, bad idea, as the betting thing on MLB is possibly already out of control.

I think he played it right. Jump on an early lead for your hottest pitcher and then turn it over to the pen. Like others have said, might have worked if the bats showed up.

Bottom line. Try to win the game with your best. Libby isn't going more than 5 or 6 even if sunny. A lot of moves can be over analyzed, I just dont think this is one of them.

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑02 May 2025 14:54 pm I think he played it right. Jump on an early lead for your hottest pitcher and then turn it over to the pen. Like others have said, might have worked if the bats showed up.

Bottom line. Try to win the game with your best. Libby isn't going more than 5 or 6 even if sunny. A lot of moves can be over analyzed, I just dont think this is one of them.

You're probably right, but darn, we need new material on a daily basis don't we?

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑02 May 2025 08:51 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 May 2025 08:48 am c'mon BDog, that would've required a deep thinking Manager which obvious excludes Oli.

I know. I’m smoking the good stuff. Makes me think.

Deep creative thoughts Bulldog!

Please don't expect Oli to think. Not in his bag of tricks.