Noot back to earth, Vic should get an extended look at the top

[woofy25]

Nootbaar is so overrated by CT. He's not that good. Average player. But that puts him on the A team on this roster.

You’re vastly underrating him. He’s a top 60 offensive player in obp, ops, RBIs, walks, runs, and homeruns. Top 40 in many of them. More walks than strikeouts too

They will go silent again once he starts heating up again and he will

Yeah. There is no legit argument someone can make that shows Nootbaar is average. If you’re top 60, then you’re essentially in the top 15%. To say he’s average is willful ignorance, bordering on stupidity.

[11WSChamps]

Nootbaar is so overrated by CT. He's not that good. Average player. But that puts him on the A team on this roster.

You’re vastly underrating him. He’s a top 60 offensive player in obp, ops, RBIs, walks, runs, and homeruns. Top 40 in many of them. More walks than strikeouts too

They will go silent again once he starts heating up again and he will

Yeah. There is no legit argument someone can make that shows Nootbaar is average. If you’re top 60, then you’re essentially in the top 15%. To say he’s average is willful ignorance, bordering on stupidity.

The knock is his availability.

Injuries have diminished what his numbers could be.

It would be nice to see him play 140-game season to see how his numbers would eventually stack up.

[woofy25]

Nootbaar is so overrated by CT. He's not that good. Average player. But that puts him on the A team on this roster.

You’re vastly underrating him. He’s a top 60 offensive player in obp, ops, RBIs, walks, runs, and homeruns. Top 40 in many of them. More walks than strikeouts too

They will go silent again once he starts heating up again and he will

Yeah. There is no legit argument someone can make that shows Nootbaar is average. If you’re top 60, then you’re essentially in the top 15%. To say he’s average is willful ignorance, bordering on stupidity.

The knock is his availability.

Injuries have diminished what his numbers could be.

It would be nice to see him play 140-game season to see how his numbers would eventually stack up.

That is the true knock, yes. Others on here think he’s an average player who should be a fourth OFer.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Scott is a beast

[Monsieur De Treville]

Nootbaar is so overrated by CT. He's not that good. Average player. But that puts him on the A team on this roster.

When healthy, he's not average.
He's not elite, but come on! He has a career .775 OPS. This season he's been healthy (knock on wood) and he has a .380 OBP & .796 OPS. Again, wont make anyone forget Enos Slaughter or Joe Medwick, but he's certainly not Luis Melendez or Peter Bourjos, either.

[Monsieur De Treville]

Nootbaar is so overrated by CT. He's not that good. Average player. But that puts him on the A team on this roster.

You’re vastly underrating him. He’s a top 60 offensive player in obp, ops, RBIs, walks, runs, and homeruns. Top 40 in many of them. More walks than strikeouts too

They will go silent again once he starts heating up again and he will

Maybe as soon as tonight? lol

[Ozziesfan41]

Nootbaar is so overrated by CT. He's not that good. Average player. But that puts him on the A team on this roster.

You’re vastly underrating him. He’s a top 60 offensive player in obp, ops, RBIs, walks, runs, and homeruns. Top 40 in many of them. More walks than strikeouts too

They will go silent again once he starts heating up again and he will

Maybe as soon as tonight? lol

Yes sir. The only question is can he stay healthy. When he is healthy he produces

[Monsieur De Treville]

Nootbaar is so overrated by CT. He's not that good. Average player. But that puts him on the A team on this roster.

You’re vastly underrating him. He’s a top 60 offensive player in obp, ops, RBIs, walks, runs, and homeruns. Top 40 in many of them. More walks than strikeouts too

They will go silent again once he starts heating up again and he will

Maybe as soon as tonight? lol

Yes sir. The only question is can he stay healthy. When he is healthy he produces

Agree.

[Quincy Varnish]

Nootbaar is so overrated by CT. He's not that good. Average player. But that puts him on the A team on this roster.

You’re vastly underrating him. He’s a top 60 offensive player in obp, ops, RBIs, walks, runs, and homeruns. Top 40 in many of them. More walks than strikeouts too

Icon’s an eyeball test guy, with poor eyesight.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Noot had a great game last night.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Nootbaar is so overrated by CT. He's not that good. Average player. But that puts him on the A team on this roster.

You’re vastly underrating him. He’s a top 60 offensive player in obp, ops, RBIs, walks, runs, and homeruns. Top 40 in many of them. More walks than strikeouts too

Icon’s an eyeball test guy, with poor eyesight.

No doubt, he's a great leadoff hitter. This team would be unwatchable without him. Probably have 5 less wins.

[illiniriles]

So does that make him a 5 WAR player? Serious question. You guys are all so knowledgeable with modern stats and such. And I'm just a dinosaur that just knows a great player when I sees one, baby. Eg. I watched Ryne Sandberg start his career with the Cubs after they acquired him from Philly and he went something like 0 for 40 or something. But just watching him from the bleachers, cuz I was going to school in Chicago at the time, you could tell he was going to be very good. Maybe great. Twenty years later, HOF. So can any of you guys, and I do believe it's true that we ARE the best fans in baseball, give us an explanation of what WAR means. Sorry for the long post.

[JDW]

So does that make him a 5 WAR player? Serious question. You guys are all so knowledgeable with modern stats and such. And I'm just a dinosaur that just knows a great player when I sees one, baby. Eg. I watched Ryne Sandberg start his career with the Cubs after they acquired him from Philly and he went something like 0 for 40 or something. But just watching him from the bleachers, cuz I was going to school in Chicago at the time, you could tell he was going to be very good. Maybe great. Twenty years later, HOF. So can any of you guys, and I do believe it's true that we ARE the best fans in baseball, give us an explanation of what WAR means. Sorry for the long post.

WAR (wins above replacement level player) takes into consideration all things that help a player contribute to his teams wins, whether it's defense, base running, OB, slug, etc.
Critic WAR all you want, but then to be fair, show me another metric that correlates to team wins better.

Ideally imo, a team's FO should strive to have position players that can achieve +3.0 WAR seasons. Pair that up with decent pitching and you likely have a contender.

Looking at the Cards current roster among potential position players, who do I currently project as having +3 WAR type talent this season.
Noot, Scott, Arenado, Winn, Donovan, Contreras and Herrera.
Who has a chance: Gorman.
Who doesn't: Burleson.
Walker, low odds but not impossible now that his defense has improved. IF he ever combines that with hitting for consistent power ..............
Backup Catchers, not a fair metric for C's or role players who don't get enough playing time.
Saggese has a decent chance in seasons to come.
Wetherholt has an excellent chance to achieve many +3 WAR seasons.
Cards are in pretty good shape position wise is my current thinking.

[illiniriles]

Thanks, JDW. You're one of the knowledgeable Redbird fans I'm referring to. But I still don't get it. And I'm not criticizing it. So a pretty good player should account for 3 wins in an entire season? Seems kind of low.
Believe me, I really liked the movie "Moneyball". But it seems to me they made the manager (can't remember his name), but Phillip Seymour Hoffman played him really well, look like an idiot and buffoon. And it made it seem like he had absolutely nothing to do with the A's run to the playoffs. While I would contend that their closer and his use of PEDs at the time had more to do with their run than Brad Pitt. Evidence of this is Billy Koch velo topping out at about 102NPH and the next year for the White Sox he couldn't break a pane of glass.
To the best of my knowledge, Billy Beane still has not won the last game of the season.

[JDW]

Thanks, JDW. You're one of the knowledgeable Redbird fans I'm referring to. But I still don't get it. And I'm not criticizing it. So a pretty good player should account for 3 wins in an entire season? Seems kind of low.
Believe me, I really liked the movie "Moneyball". But it seems to me they made the manager (can't remember his name), but Phillip Seymour Hoffman played him really well, look like an idiot and buffoon. And it made it seem like he had absolutely nothing to do with the A's run to the playoffs. While I would contend that their closer and his use of PEDs at the time had more to do with their run than Brad Pitt. Evidence of this is Billy Koch velo topping out at about 102NPH and the next year for the White Sox he couldn't break a pane of glass.
To the best of my knowledge, Billy Beane still has not won the last game of the season.

Once a new metric shows value, it's usually not long before other teams learn, so then it's not exclusive to one team anymore and everybody is trying to use it to their advantage. With the A's extremely low payroll, trying to compete with the big market teams is almost impossible, but for a short window, the A's likely had an advantage with some of the newer metrics that at least let them compete more often.

I can't explain WAR nearly as good as some of the smarter posters on here like mattmitch , RBI (hope you're still out there ready to contribute RBI), Old Friend, etc., I just gave the basic concept of it, but as far as I know it still accumulatively correlates better with team wins than anything else out there ............. so far.
If you had 8 starting position players with a +3 WAR, a decent DH and pitching staff, that teams expected W-L would be good. How good?
Hoping the more knowledgeable posters step in now, as they can give a good projection of the W-L for a team such as this.

[illiniriles]

Very interesting. Thanks again, JDW! And I totally agree with your assessment of that guy RBI. I remember following him a year or two ago. Really knows his stuff. I think his handle was RBIRules?