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Posted: **21 Apr 2025 10:13 am**

Schildty was a very good teaching instructor in the minors for the Redbirds. Was a really good manager in the minors. In fact I think he won the AAA title. He turned around a floundering team when he replaced Matheny and I don't believe he back stabbed him to get the position. In my opinion, he was a very good manager for the Birds. Never complained when so many of our stars were out with injury during the 17 in a row win streak season. Never threw anyone under the bus. Always believed in his team. Never seemed like an arrogant jerk, unlike HOFer TLR. When he was unceremonially dismissed, he was very thankful to the organization and went out with class. Then, he got a new job with the San Diego club and worked his way back up again using his Sisselian type training. Now he's a big league manager for a very good team. Ataboy, mike. Well deserved. Continued success.

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 10:18 am**

nighthawk wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 06:04 am He had considerable success when he managed the Cards, but was still despised. Now we like him?

I was not one of those. I thought Shildt was a breath of fresh air after the Matheny years. I'll never forget the turnaround...literally overnight...after he took the manager's spot. He's a danged fine skipper, and I think San Diego is proving that. He was able to have success with what seemed like an island of misfit toys here, and now he's able to have a locker room of high powered/highly paid vets to move cohesively, too. Some of them, like Machado, are known to not be the easiest people in the world to manage.

Seems Shildt's lack of MLB experience as a player has no effect on how well he does his job.

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 10:18 am**

The philosophical difference was that Shildt preferred to win.

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 10:19 am**

Would Shildt still be the manager if his clubhouse speech wasn't posted to social media by Randy Arozarena?

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 10:34 am**

Heard something about it, but never saw it. Was that why we let go of Arozarena, or was he blocked? The only thing I wasn't impressed with about Mike was that he tried to act like a pseudo tough guy with his Sponge Bob Squarepants arms when it was so clearly just an act. Everything els about the guy was top notch. At least to me

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 13:01 pm**

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 06:38 am
nighthawk wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 06:04 am He had considerable success when he managed the Cards, but was still despised. Now we like him?

All former Cards are never forgotten here if they have the slightest bit of success elsewhere.

Funny, haven't seen too many Kolten Wong threads.

Kolten Wong wasn’t that good with the cardinals. Good glove with. 95 ops+ during his time with the team. Stark difference between him and Shildt, who made the playoffs each year he was the Mgr for a full season. And the year he was not, he took over a .500 team and went something like 41-28

Letting that track record go is far worse than arozarena, Garcia, Gallen, Alcantara, etc. those guys hadn’t proven anything before they were moved. Shildt proved it 4 seasons in a row.

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 13:09 pm**

todd-parker wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 10:19 am Would Shildt still be the manager if his clubhouse speech wasn't posted to social media by Randy Arozarena?

I don't think so.

I think his dismissal had more to do with debating Mo on the roster and the approach. Schidlt was not going to be Mo's "yes man". I also would not be surprised if Oli didn't throw him under the bus to Mo from time to time. I mean Schildt venting and t6alking smack amongst his inner circle, thinking he was in a safe place, only to have Marmol going to Mo and saying, "you wouldn't believe what Schildt was saying about you boss."

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 13:12 pm**

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 13:09 pm
todd-parker wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 10:19 am Would Shildt still be the manager if his clubhouse speech wasn't posted to social media by Randy Arozarena?
I don't think so.

I think his dismissal had more to do with debating Mo on the roster and the approach. Schidlt was not going to be Mo's "yes man". I also would not be surprised if Oli didn't throw him under the bus to Mo from time to time. I mean Schildt venting and t6alking smack amongst his inner circle, thinking he was in a safe place, only to have Marmol going to Mo and saying, "you wouldn't believe what Schildt was saying about you boss."

Or maybe it wasn’t Oli but another coach. Kinda like playing the old game of CLUE. Could be the butler.

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 13:14 pm**

Shildt was more responsible than anybody for the lack of talent in the Cardinals system. He inherited a ton of talent in San Diego. If he hadn't gone on the radio after the season to complain about the lack of talent he would not have been fired.

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 13:22 pm**

illiniriles wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 10:13 am Schildty was a very good teaching instructor in the minors for the Redbirds. Was a really good manager in the minors. In fact I think he won the AAA title. He turned around a floundering team when he replaced Matheny and I don't believe he back stabbed him to get the position. In my opinion, he was a very good manager for the Birds. Never complained when so many of our stars were out with injury during the 17 in a row win streak season. Never threw anyone under the bus. Always believed in his team. Never seemed like an arrogant jerk, unlike HOFer TLR. When he was unceremonially dismissed, he was very thankful to the organization and went out with class. Then, he got a new job with the San Diego club and worked his way back up again using his Sisselian type training. Now he's a big league manager for a very good team. Ataboy, mike. Well deserved. Continued success.

Nice post.

I will add he is absolute in his convictions and in his ways. His convictions are ironically
the same as George Kissell, and he doesn't change direction each time the wind blows.
He may become a TLR, Bochy, Francona style manager. A Don style who's voice resonates.
He is IMO, the style manager a team like the Cardinals need since they won't be buying players
but attempting to put the pieces together.

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 13:44 pm**

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 13:14 pm Shildt was more responsible than anybody for the lack of talent in the Cardinals system.

How so?

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 13:59 pm**

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 13:44 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 13:14 pm Shildt was more responsible than anybody for the lack of talent in the Cardinals system.
How so?

Minor leagues
Shildt started his Major League Baseball career as an associate scout with the league for three seasons.[1] He moved on to the St. Louis Cardinals organization, working as the area scout for North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia.[1] On a recommendation from future Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak, Shildt began his minor league coaching career as a part-time coach. Shildt was sent to the Cardinals' Single-A affiliate in the New York–Penn League. He was a part-time coach during 2004 and 2005 while continuing his scouting duties.[1] He was promoted to a full-time coaching position in 2006, and kept coaching with the single A affiliate until the 2007 season.[1] In 2008, Shildt coordinated the Cardinals' minor league spring training workout camp.[3] Afterwards he became the hitting coach for the Johnson City Cardinals for the 2008 season.[3]

Shildt was promoted to manage Johnson City in 2009, where he finished with a 37–30 record.[4] In his second season, Johnson City posted a 42–24 win–loss record, and after defeating its two playoff opponents, won the Appalachian League championship.[5] For his effort, Shildt was named St. Louis Cardinals Minor League Manager of the Year by Scout.com.[5] He was also named the Appalachian League Manager of the Year.[5] Among the players he helped improve during the season include Appalachian League's Pitcher of the Year Ryan Copeland, and batting average champion Phil Cerreto.[5] After Johnson City's season ended, Shildt was invited to spend some time on the St. Louis Cardinals roster to gain experience.[5] After the season, Shildt was awarded the Appalachian League Manager of the Year award, and the George Kissell Award for his "excellence in player development" by the St. Louis Cardinals organization.[6]

Johnson City repeated as league champions in 2011 under Shildt.[7] It was the first time that Johnson City clinched two consecutive league championships since 1975–1976.[7] Shildt managed the Springfield Cardinals of the Class AA Texas League for three seasons. Shildt guided Springfield to its first Texas League championship before being recognized as Baseball America's Team of the Year in 2012. He then spent two seasons as the manager for the Memphis Redbirds of the Class AAA Pacific Coast League.[citation needed]

Then had the audacity to go on the radio and complain about the lack of talent on the Cardinals.

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 14:16 pm**

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 13:59 pm
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 13:44 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 13:14 pm Shildt was more responsible than anybody for the lack of talent in the Cardinals system.
How so?
Minor leagues
Shildt started his Major League Baseball career as an associate scout with the league for three seasons.[1] He moved on to the St. Louis Cardinals organization, working as the area scout for North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia.[1] On a recommendation from future Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak, Shildt began his minor league coaching career as a part-time coach. Shildt was sent to the Cardinals' Single-A affiliate in the New York–Penn League. He was a part-time coach during 2004 and 2005 while continuing his scouting duties.[1] He was promoted to a full-time coaching position in 2006, and kept coaching with the single A affiliate until the 2007 season.[1] In 2008, Shildt coordinated the Cardinals' minor league spring training workout camp.[3] Afterwards he became the hitting coach for the Johnson City Cardinals for the 2008 season.[3]

Shildt was promoted to manage Johnson City in 2009, where he finished with a 37–30 record.[4] In his second season, Johnson City posted a 42–24 win–loss record, and after defeating its two playoff opponents, won the Appalachian League championship.[5] For his effort, Shildt was named St. Louis Cardinals Minor League Manager of the Year by Scout.com.[5] He was also named the Appalachian League Manager of the Year.[5] Among the players he helped improve during the season include Appalachian League's Pitcher of the Year Ryan Copeland, and batting average champion Phil Cerreto.[5] After Johnson City's season ended, Shildt was invited to spend some time on the St. Louis Cardinals roster to gain experience.[5] After the season, Shildt was awarded the Appalachian League Manager of the Year award, and the George Kissell Award for his "excellence in player development" by the St. Louis Cardinals organization.[6]

Johnson City repeated as league champions in 2011 under Shildt.[7] It was the first time that Johnson City clinched two consecutive league championships since 1975–1976.[7] Shildt managed the Springfield Cardinals of the Class AA Texas League for three seasons. Shildt guided Springfield to its first Texas League championship before being recognized as Baseball America's Team of the Year in 2012. He then spent two seasons as the manager for the Memphis Redbirds of the Class AAA Pacific Coast League.[citation needed]

Then had the audacity to go on the radio and complain about the lack of talent on the Cardinals.

I am assuming your issue is that an organization that gave him his
opportunity was publicly criticized?

Could and should have been handled differently.

Not sure how this makes "Shildt was more responsible than anybody for the lack of talent in the Cardinals system"

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 14:21 pm**

renostl wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 14:16 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 13:59 pm
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 13:44 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 13:14 pm Shildt was more responsible than anybody for the lack of talent in the Cardinals system.
How so?
Minor leagues
Shildt started his Major League Baseball career as an associate scout with the league for three seasons.[1] He moved on to the St. Louis Cardinals organization, working as the area scout for North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia.[1] On a recommendation from future Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak, Shildt began his minor league coaching career as a part-time coach. Shildt was sent to the Cardinals' Single-A affiliate in the New York–Penn League. He was a part-time coach during 2004 and 2005 while continuing his scouting duties.[1] He was promoted to a full-time coaching position in 2006, and kept coaching with the single A affiliate until the 2007 season.[1] In 2008, Shildt coordinated the Cardinals' minor league spring training workout camp.[3] Afterwards he became the hitting coach for the Johnson City Cardinals for the 2008 season.[3]

Shildt was promoted to manage Johnson City in 2009, where he finished with a 37–30 record.[4] In his second season, Johnson City posted a 42–24 win–loss record, and after defeating its two playoff opponents, won the Appalachian League championship.[5] For his effort, Shildt was named St. Louis Cardinals Minor League Manager of the Year by Scout.com.[5] He was also named the Appalachian League Manager of the Year.[5] Among the players he helped improve during the season include Appalachian League's Pitcher of the Year Ryan Copeland, and batting average champion Phil Cerreto.[5] After Johnson City's season ended, Shildt was invited to spend some time on the St. Louis Cardinals roster to gain experience.[5] After the season, Shildt was awarded the Appalachian League Manager of the Year award, and the George Kissell Award for his "excellence in player development" by the St. Louis Cardinals organization.[6]

Johnson City repeated as league champions in 2011 under Shildt.[7] It was the first time that Johnson City clinched two consecutive league championships since 1975–1976.[7] Shildt managed the Springfield Cardinals of the Class AA Texas League for three seasons. Shildt guided Springfield to its first Texas League championship before being recognized as Baseball America's Team of the Year in 2012. He then spent two seasons as the manager for the Memphis Redbirds of the Class AAA Pacific Coast League.[citation needed]

Then had the audacity to go on the radio and complain about the lack of talent on the Cardinals.
I am assuming your issue is that an organization that gave him his
opportunity was publicly criticized?

Could and should have been handled differently.

Not sure how this makes "Shildt was more responsible than anybody for the lack of talent in the Cardinals system"

He spent a dozen years scouting and developing players in the Cardinals system and then complained about the lack of talent. He deserved to be fired and developed none of the talent he now coaches in San Diego.

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 17:33 pm**

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 14:21 pm
renostl wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 14:16 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 13:59 pm
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 13:44 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 13:14 pm Shildt was more responsible than anybody for the lack of talent in the Cardinals system.
How so?
Minor leagues
Shildt started his Major League Baseball career as an associate scout with the league for three seasons.[1] He moved on to the St. Louis Cardinals organization, working as the area scout for North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia.[1] On a recommendation from future Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak, Shildt began his minor league coaching career as a part-time coach. Shildt was sent to the Cardinals' Single-A affiliate in the New York–Penn League. He was a part-time coach during 2004 and 2005 while continuing his scouting duties.[1] He was promoted to a full-time coaching position in 2006, and kept coaching with the single A affiliate until the 2007 season.[1] In 2008, Shildt coordinated the Cardinals' minor league spring training workout camp.[3] Afterwards he became the hitting coach for the Johnson City Cardinals for the 2008 season.[3]

Shildt was promoted to manage Johnson City in 2009, where he finished with a 37–30 record.[4] In his second season, Johnson City posted a 42–24 win–loss record, and after defeating its two playoff opponents, won the Appalachian League championship.[5] For his effort, Shildt was named St. Louis Cardinals Minor League Manager of the Year by Scout.com.[5] He was also named the Appalachian League Manager of the Year.[5] Among the players he helped improve during the season include Appalachian League's Pitcher of the Year Ryan Copeland, and batting average champion Phil Cerreto.[5] After Johnson City's season ended, Shildt was invited to spend some time on the St. Louis Cardinals roster to gain experience.[5] After the season, Shildt was awarded the Appalachian League Manager of the Year award, and the George Kissell Award for his "excellence in player development" by the St. Louis Cardinals organization.[6]

Johnson City repeated as league champions in 2011 under Shildt.[7] It was the first time that Johnson City clinched two consecutive league championships since 1975–1976.[7] Shildt managed the Springfield Cardinals of the Class AA Texas League for three seasons. Shildt guided Springfield to its first Texas League championship before being recognized as Baseball America's Team of the Year in 2012. He then spent two seasons as the manager for the Memphis Redbirds of the Class AAA Pacific Coast League.[citation needed]

Then had the audacity to go on the radio and complain about the lack of talent on the Cardinals.
I am assuming your issue is that an organization that gave him his
opportunity was publicly criticized?

Could and should have been handled differently.

Not sure how this makes "Shildt was more responsible than anybody for the lack of talent in the Cardinals system"
He spent a dozen years scouting and developing players in the Cardinals system and then complained about the lack of talent. He deserved to be fired and developed none of the talent he now coaches in San Diego.

Seems like different time frames to me. He and TLR did ok with his time as a scout then jump to 2021 he says the
system is bare. I wouldn't hold the fact he developed none of the talent in SD. His current job is to go toe to toe with a team
that out spends his by over $100 million. He's doing that both seasons he's been there better than his predecessor so far.

All good, seems MO could have talked with Shildt about the improper process versus a downgrade in manager for the type team
he was putting together.

Posted: **21 Apr 2025 17:46 pm**

Schildt (correctly) saw that the system was drying up and they needed some outside talent after being the MLB manager for 4 years. It was no longer his job to develop talent in the minors. To act like that was his fault is nonsense.

The absolute cratering of standards with the Cardinals after Schildt was fired remains wild to me. Matheny was fired with a +.500 record in every season of his tenure. Schildt was fired after a 90-72 Wild Card season. Marmol… well…

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