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Posted: **14 Apr 2025 10:20 am**

Jatalk wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 09:48 am Way too early to make that decision.

Possibly, but the earlier you can make a decision, the less it will cost. Figuring out a direction also informs decisions made at the trade deadline.

Posted: **14 Apr 2025 11:39 am**

I think they should extend Phil Maglass. Best bartender ever.

Posted: **14 Apr 2025 13:36 pm**

swatski wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 08:43 am Mo has proposed a 5 year $100 million extension. Soon after signing it Matin will need TJ surgery.

Posted: **14 Apr 2025 14:02 pm**

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 10:20 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 09:48 am Way too early to make that decision.
Possibly, but the earlier you can make a decision, the less it will cost. Figuring out a direction also informs decisions made at the trade deadline.

Agreed

And I don't see it being to "early" either given Maton's resume:

2023 - 2025
148 G
3.12 ERA
1.08 WHiP

So you know what he can do w/that track record.

With Helsley's departure mid season or at seasons end, the 2026 Cardinals are going to need a reliable veteran in the pen'.

BTW, Maton's never made more than $3.495M AAV so he won't cost more than a $3M (now) AAV.

Wait and it could be another A. Kittridge situation where you lose a standout setup man.

Posted: **14 Apr 2025 14:07 pm**

rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:02 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 10:20 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 09:48 am Way too early to make that decision.
Possibly, but the earlier you can make a decision, the less it will cost. Figuring out a direction also informs decisions made at the trade deadline.
Agreed

And I don't see it being to "early" either given Maton's resume:

2023 - 2025
148 G
3.12 ERA
1.08 WHiP

So you know what he can do w/that track record.

With Helsley's departure mid season or at seasons end, the 2026 Cardinals are going to need a reliable veteran in the pen'.

BTW, Maton's never made more than $3.495M AAV so he won't cost more than a $3M (now) AAV.

Wait and it could be another A. Kittridge situation where you lose a standout setup man.

LOL... isn't Kittredge injured?

This is why you don't jump the gun on signing relievers. They rise and fall and only the special few actually are consistent and injury free.

Maton wanted to play for the Cards, I'm sure he still will when the season ends...as long as the Cards want him back.

Posted: **14 Apr 2025 14:08 pm**

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 16:31 pm Would you try to extend him for a season, or two, or flip him at the deadline?

How to tell now. Two scenerios. We are hot, you flip him hot. We are dead, you flip him to a needy to desperate consumer.

Posted: **14 Apr 2025 14:11 pm**

jbrach wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 19:04 pm maton is not a closer, he is a middle of the road vet who throws 91 mph and has had a good 11 innings...perfectly fine pitcher but not worth worrying about

100%

Posted: **14 Apr 2025 14:49 pm**

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:07 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:02 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 10:20 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 09:48 am Way too early to make that decision.
Possibly, but the earlier you can make a decision, the less it will cost. Figuring out a direction also informs decisions made at the trade deadline.
Agreed

And I don't see it being to "early" either given Maton's resume:

2023 - 2025
148 G
3.12 ERA
1.08 WHiP

So you know what he can do w/that track record.

With Helsley's departure mid season or at seasons end, the 2026 Cardinals are going to need a reliable veteran in the pen'.

BTW, Maton's never made more than $3.495M AAV so he won't cost more than a $3M (now) AAV.

Wait and it could be another A. Kittridge situation where you lose a standout setup man.
LOL... isn't Kittredge injured?

This is why you don't jump the gun on signing relievers. They rise and fall and only the special few actually are consistent and injury free.

Maton wanted to play for the Cards, I'm sure he still will when the season ends...as long as the Cards want him back.

Hurt his knee in STing

Fluke injury, not arm related.

Posted: **14 Apr 2025 16:06 pm**

rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:49 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:07 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:02 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 10:20 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 09:48 am Way too early to make that decision.
Possibly, but the earlier you can make a decision, the less it will cost. Figuring out a direction also informs decisions made at the trade deadline.
Agreed

And I don't see it being to "early" either given Maton's resume:

2023 - 2025
148 G
3.12 ERA
1.08 WHiP

So you know what he can do w/that track record.

With Helsley's departure mid season or at seasons end, the 2026 Cardinals are going to need a reliable veteran in the pen'.

BTW, Maton's never made more than $3.495M AAV so he won't cost more than a $3M (now) AAV.

Wait and it could be another A. Kittridge situation where you lose a standout setup man.
LOL... isn't Kittredge injured?

This is why you don't jump the gun on signing relievers. They rise and fall and only the special few actually are consistent and injury free.

Maton wanted to play for the Cards, I'm sure he still will when the season ends...as long as the Cards want him back.
Hurt his knee in STing

Fluke injury, not arm related.

An injured fluke is nothing to mess with.

Posted: **14 Apr 2025 16:10 pm**

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 16:31 pm Would you try to extend him for a season, or two, or flip him at the deadline?

This is the Cardinals--Bye-Bye

Posted: **14 Apr 2025 16:12 pm**

Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 16:06 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:49 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:07 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:02 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 10:20 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 09:48 am Way too early to make that decision.
Possibly, but the earlier you can make a decision, the less it will cost. Figuring out a direction also informs decisions made at the trade deadline.
Agreed

And I don't see it being to "early" either given Maton's resume:

2023 - 2025
148 G
3.12 ERA
1.08 WHiP

So you know what he can do w/that track record.

With Helsley's departure mid season or at seasons end, the 2026 Cardinals are going to need a reliable veteran in the pen'.

BTW, Maton's never made more than $3.495M AAV so he won't cost more than a $3M (now) AAV.

Wait and it could be another A. Kittridge situation where you lose a standout setup man.
LOL... isn't Kittredge injured?

This is why you don't jump the gun on signing relievers. They rise and fall and only the special few actually are consistent and injury free.

Maton wanted to play for the Cards, I'm sure he still will when the season ends...as long as the Cards want him back.
Hurt his knee in STing

Fluke injury, not arm related.
An injured fluke is nothing to mess with.

An injured Fluke. They are the worst. Brilliant.

Posted: **14 Apr 2025 16:56 pm**

Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 16:06 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:49 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:07 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:02 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 10:20 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 09:48 am Way too early to make that decision.
Possibly, but the earlier you can make a decision, the less it will cost. Figuring out a direction also informs decisions made at the trade deadline.
Agreed

And I don't see it being to "early" either given Maton's resume:

2023 - 2025
148 G
3.12 ERA
1.08 WHiP

So you know what he can do w/that track record.

With Helsley's departure mid season or at seasons end, the 2026 Cardinals are going to need a reliable veteran in the pen'.

BTW, Maton's never made more than $3.495M AAV so he won't cost more than a $3M (now) AAV.

Wait and it could be another A. Kittridge situation where you lose a standout setup man.
LOL... isn't Kittredge injured?

This is why you don't jump the gun on signing relievers. They rise and fall and only the special few actually are consistent and injury free.

Maton wanted to play for the Cards, I'm sure he still will when the season ends...as long as the Cards want him back.
Hurt his knee in STing

Fluke injury, not arm related.
An injured fluke is nothing to mess with.

Posted: **15 Apr 2025 08:37 am**

Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 16:06 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:49 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:07 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:02 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 10:20 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 09:48 am Way too early to make that decision.
Possibly, but the earlier you can make a decision, the less it will cost. Figuring out a direction also informs decisions made at the trade deadline.
Agreed

And I don't see it being to "early" either given Maton's resume:

2023 - 2025
148 G
3.12 ERA
1.08 WHiP

So you know what he can do w/that track record.

With Helsley's departure mid season or at seasons end, the 2026 Cardinals are going to need a reliable veteran in the pen'.

BTW, Maton's never made more than $3.495M AAV so he won't cost more than a $3M (now) AAV.

Wait and it could be another A. Kittridge situation where you lose a standout setup man.
LOL... isn't Kittredge injured?

This is why you don't jump the gun on signing relievers. They rise and fall and only the special few actually are consistent and injury free.

Maton wanted to play for the Cards, I'm sure he still will when the season ends...as long as the Cards want him back.
Hurt his knee in STing

Fluke injury, not arm related.
An injured fluke is nothing to mess with.

Posted: **15 Apr 2025 08:43 am**

casey1024 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 04:34 am Not sure but I will say it is going to be a good thing to send out a guy with a meh FB in the 8th and then have a 100 mph FB follow that in the 9th. If we could just count on Romero we would have a great back end of the BP.

Leahy already does that for us. I think Romero is OK. It gets shaky after that.

Posted: **15 Apr 2025 08:43 am**

rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:49 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:07 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:02 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 10:20 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 09:48 am Way too early to make that decision.
Possibly, but the earlier you can make a decision, the less it will cost. Figuring out a direction also informs decisions made at the trade deadline.
Agreed

And I don't see it being to "early" either given Maton's resume:

2023 - 2025
148 G
3.12 ERA
1.08 WHiP

So you know what he can do w/that track record.

With Helsley's departure mid season or at seasons end, the 2026 Cardinals are going to need a reliable veteran in the pen'.

BTW, Maton's never made more than $3.495M AAV so he won't cost more than a $3M (now) AAV.

Wait and it could be another A. Kittridge situation where you lose a standout setup man.
LOL... isn't Kittredge injured?

This is why you don't jump the gun on signing relievers. They rise and fall and only the special few actually are consistent and injury free.

Maton wanted to play for the Cards, I'm sure he still will when the season ends...as long as the Cards want him back.
Hurt his knee in STing

Fluke injury, not arm related.

He's injured...regardless of it's leg, or arm or head...

Posted: **15 Apr 2025 08:49 am**

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025 08:43 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:49 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:07 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 14:02 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 10:20 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑14 Apr 2025 09:48 am Way too early to make that decision.
Possibly, but the earlier you can make a decision, the less it will cost. Figuring out a direction also informs decisions made at the trade deadline.
Agreed

And I don't see it being to "early" either given Maton's resume:

2023 - 2025
148 G
3.12 ERA
1.08 WHiP

So you know what he can do w/that track record.

With Helsley's departure mid season or at seasons end, the 2026 Cardinals are going to need a reliable veteran in the pen'.

BTW, Maton's never made more than $3.495M AAV so he won't cost more than a $3M (now) AAV.

Wait and it could be another A. Kittridge situation where you lose a standout setup man.
LOL... isn't Kittredge injured?

This is why you don't jump the gun on signing relievers. They rise and fall and only the special few actually are consistent and injury free.

Maton wanted to play for the Cards, I'm sure he still will when the season ends...as long as the Cards want him back.
Hurt his knee in STing

Fluke injury, not arm related.
He's injured...regardless of it's leg, or arm or head...

Good news is Maton isn't Kitt so.........apples to oranges...........meaningless what happened to Kitt this spring and his artho scoped knee.

BTW, threw a bullpen session on April 12th.

I'd definitely try to re-up Maton, the sooner the better.

JMO

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