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Cusecards wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:20 am

Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:15 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:04 am

Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 10:33 am It might still be prudent to try to move some trade chips and give some younger players more playing time this season. While trying to acquire some help for the future. Or does Mo just keep plodding away with the current roster at least until the trade deadline?

I just posted and it is too soon for me to contemplate legit deals.
Questions:
Who do you see them moving?
And for what exactly?
Have you heard of any rumors of anyone being already available?

Arenado, Helsley, Gray, Contreras could bring some nice players in return. But they may not want to leave, right now. Maybe Fedde. And with Scott's development, one of Nootbaar, Burleson and even Donovan could be available.

They all have NTC’s except for Helsley.
Waaaay too early for trades.
Be patient.

Yep, Helsley wouldn't have the NTC. Same with Fedde, Nootbaar, Donovan and Burleson. It could get interesting around the trade deadline. Especially, if McGreevy and Mathews are ready for the rotation. And Saggese at 2B. And if Gorman and Herrera continue to look like productive MLB hitters. The trade deadline could be when the reset finally occurs. If the team continues to be just so-so, overall.

Cusecards wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:20 am

Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:15 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:04 am

Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 10:33 am It might still be prudent to try to move some trade chips and give some younger players more playing time this season. While trying to acquire some help for the future. Or does Mo just keep plodding away with the current roster at least until the trade deadline?

I just posted and it is too soon for me to contemplate legit deals.
Questions:
Who do you see them moving?
And for what exactly?
Have you heard of any rumors of anyone being already available?

Arenado, Helsley, Gray, Contreras could bring some nice players in return. But they may not want to leave, right now. Maybe Fedde. And with Scott's development, one of Nootbaar, Burleson and even Donovan could be available.

They all have NTC’s except for Helsley.
Waaaay too early for trades.
Be patient.

Patience is out of the question: he needs a steady supply of "topics" (i.e., pretexts) to start new threads on a daily basis.

It is and has been a reset. They got lucky got off to a hot start. Mindsets changed immediately. For the better.

Then back to earth. Reset.

Long term injuries to key players for teams that see themselves as a playoff team that don’t want to fall too far behind would trigger teams to make early trades. Brewers just over payed for a pitcher from Boston giving up a top prospect and a comp a pick due to starting pitching injuries.
Question is will the Cards be willing to make the moves early on or wait till later?

Does any poster want MO Ran to make any trade with NA, Grey, Hels, Contreras, Donovan, etc as the trade chip?

Please baseball Gods I know you are angry with DimWallet, MO Ran, and Marmot but have some mercy on the fans. Do not let him make one of his WAGS.

ilcubuffs wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 14:58 pm Does any poster want MO Ran to make any trade with NA, Grey, Hels, Contreras, Donovan, etc as the trade chip?

Please baseball Gods I know you are angry with DimWallet, MO Ran, and Marmot but have some mercy on the fans. Do not let him make one of his WAGS.

The Cardinals probably need to hold on to Contreras, for now, the way he's performing. His trade value has likely gone down, But some teams, right now, would likely have some interest in acquiring Arenado, Gray and Helsley. The Cardinals should hold on to Donovan at least until they see how consistent Scott is. If the Cardinals feel they can truly compete. They need to start showing it. Then hanging on to some valuable, older trade chips would make more sense.

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:30 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:20 am

Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:15 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:04 am

Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 10:33 am It might still be prudent to try to move some trade chips and give some younger players more playing time this season. While trying to acquire some help for the future. Or does Mo just keep plodding away with the current roster at least until the trade deadline?

I just posted and it is too soon for me to contemplate legit deals.
Questions:
Who do you see them moving?
And for what exactly?
Have you heard of any rumors of anyone being already available?

Arenado, Helsley, Gray, Contreras could bring some nice players in return. But they may not want to leave, right now. Maybe Fedde. And with Scott's development, one of Nootbaar, Burleson and even Donovan could be available.

They all have NTC’s except for Helsley.
Waaaay too early for trades.
Be patient.

Patience is out of the question: he needs a steady supply of "topics" (i.e., pretexts) to start new threads on a daily basis.

I think based on what the plan seems to be for 2025 I think we all need to be patient and give it some time?

Chubbs0910 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 10:58 am Best case scenario is Contreras and Arenado are studs and bring in some real talent at the deadline.

Contreras has no trade and refused. Arenado will keep a 5-6 contender team list

Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:15 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:04 am

Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 10:33 am It might still be prudent to try to move some trade chips and give some younger players more playing time this season. While trying to acquire some help for the future. Or does Mo just keep plodding away with the current roster at least until the trade deadline?

I just posted and it is too soon for me to contemplate legit deals.
Questions:
Who do you see them moving?
And for what exactly?
Have you heard of any rumors of anyone being already available?

Arenado, Helsley, Gray, Contreras could bring some nice players in return. But they may not want to leave, right now. Maybe Fedde. And with Scott's development, one of Nootbaar, Burleson and even Donovan could be available. This is considering commitment to a reset.

You are a simpleton.

The reason there aren't early season trades is because serious teams leave ST with a lineup & contingencies. It is a rare occurrence when a team's Plan A & Plan B are already shot to hell in mid-April. Usually, when it does happen, what they want to trade for is a solid to VG starting pitcher or maybe a closer. What would the Cardinals need to contend in the NL Central? Hmmm.

Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 10:33 am It might still be prudent to try to move some trade chips and give some younger players more playing time this season. While trying to acquire some help for the future. Or does Mo just keep plodding away with the current roster at least until the trade deadline?

That was originally the goal but then Mo backed out and middled it again. Have to wait for him to leave.

Yes and no. As mentioned by others, significant trades probably aren't happening until July. However, playing time can always be reset (looking at you Miles Mikolas). Most of the things the Cardinals actually did reset are working out. Walker and Gorman look much better. Victor Scott is working out. Every catcher we've used has done alright. Jury is still out on Liberatore. Give it some time.

Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:21 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:20 am

Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:15 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 11:04 am

Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 10:33 am It might still be prudent to try to move some trade chips and give some younger players more playing time this season. While trying to acquire some help for the future. Or does Mo just keep plodding away with the current roster at least until the trade deadline?

I just posted and it is too soon for me to contemplate legit deals.
Questions:
Who do you see them moving?
And for what exactly?
Have you heard of any rumors of anyone being already available?

Arenado, Helsley, Gray, Contreras could bring some nice players in return. But they may not want to leave, right now. Maybe Fedde. And with Scott's development, one of Nootbaar, Burleson and even Donovan could be available.

They all have NTC’s except for Helsley.
Waaaay too early for trades.
Be patient.

Yep, Helsley wouldn't have the NTC. Same with Fedde, Nootbaar, Donovan and Burleson. It could get interesting around the trade deadline. Especially, if McGreevy and Mathews are ready for the rotation. And Saggese at 2B. And if Gorman and Herrera continue to look like productive MLB hitters. The trade deadline could be when the reset finally occurs. If the team continues to be just so-so, overall.

You had to edit that 3 times? Nice.

Mo needs to re-establish his plan for a reset this season. This team, as is, lacks the consistency to compete for the division title and even a wildcard birth.

Shady wrote: ↑09 Apr 2025 16:03 pm Mo needs to re-establish his plan for a reset this season. This team, as is, lacks the consistency to compete for the division title and even a wildcard birth.

Has anyone been confused about this?