rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:22 pm
Should've been pulled, this early in the season, after six when his line of 6 IP/ 1 ER would've been very good.
Poor managing, I'm not concerned about Gray.
Agree with you ! Six innings was fine. When Oli went out to the mound, he must have been asking if he was feeling tired and told 'No'
Oli deferred to the veteran. If Gray had been any other pitcher , Oli would have just pulled him .
So Oli gave his top arm the benefit of the doubt and bingo wouldn't you know it got burned with the grand slam .
The old ' the manager took the guy out one pitch too late' thing.
Now that Oli was burned , if Gray would start a 7th inning next time (which unsure if Oi would ) , you can bet if even the first batter gets on base .. walk , scratch hit, blooper Oli will pull him right then and there.
No doubt Oli would've pulled Pallante or Libby, probably Fedde too.
Not many veterans like Gray are going to tell the Manager they want to be yanked, up to Oli to make that call.
Really helped to have Yadi to give an honest take. Now Marmol has no help to go along with having no feel for it on his own.
Re: A touch of Gray
Posted: 03 Apr 2025 15:45 pm
by BrummerStealsHome
imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:06 pm
OK, that was concerning, particularly after his horrific spring (which we are told does not really count).
The Twins start was uneven at best. Yesterday was a disaster, despite 9 SO's. He is getting hit harder than anyone else on staff. His ERA is 5.73.
Alarmist or sound the alarm?
I wonder what shade of Gray we'll see in his next start.
Re: A touch of Gray
Posted: 03 Apr 2025 20:14 pm
by Voldemort
Strummer Jones wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:15 pm
His first start was about what I expected. Second start was actually really good until he went out there for the seventh. I think Marmol was trying to hard to save the bullpen on that one.
My wife brought up something from last year and I have not had a chance to look it up. She seems to recall that last year Gray really struggled from the 6th inning on. I think that she is correct on this.
Re: A touch of Gray
Posted: 03 Apr 2025 20:39 pm
by Dazepster
Here's my 3 cents. Inflation.
He went to NY and was an abject failure. Ran him out of town and it didn't bother him a bit.
It has been alleged that he was perfectly content remaining in SL during a rebuild as opposed to being dealt to a potential contender.
30 M a year Win or Lose ultimately for him.
I question his ambition. Seems perfectly content blending into the woodwork as opposed to being a leader on a potential winner.
Had a good year last year. Some blips for sure. Not a 30 M Number 1 at this age and stage of his career.
Re: A touch of Gray
Posted: 03 Apr 2025 21:04 pm
by imetsatchelpaige
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:30 pm
I see you've got your fist out, say your piece and get out
Yes, I get the gist of it, but it's alright
Sorry that you feel that way, the only thing there is to say
Every silver lining's got a touch of grey
I will get by
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:30 pm
I see you've got your fist out, say your piece and get out
Yes, I get the gist of it, but it's alright
Sorry that you feel that way, the only thing there is to say
Every silver lining's got a touch of grey
I will get by
Kind of suits you anyway.
Whistle through your teeth and spit cuz
It's alright
My favorite line. Scouty beat me to the song call.
Re: A touch of Gray
Posted: 04 Apr 2025 08:10 am
by NorthernBird
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:30 pm
I see you've got your fist out, say your piece and get out
Yes, I get the gist of it, but it's alright
Sorry that you feel that way, the only thing there is to say
Every silver lining's got a touch of grey
I will get by
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rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:22 pm
Should've been pulled, this early in the season, after six when his line of 6 IP/ 1 ER would've been very good.
Poor managing, I'm not concerned about Gray.
Agree with you ! Six innings was fine. When Oli went out to the mound, he must have been asking if he was feeling tired and told 'No'
Oli deferred to the veteran. If Gray had been any other pitcher , Oli would have just pulled him .
So Oli gave his top arm the benefit of the doubt and bingo wouldn't you know it got burned with the grand slam .
The old ' the manager took the guy out one pitch too late' thing.
Now that Oli was burned , if Gray would start a 7th inning next time (which unsure if Oi would ) , you can bet if even the first batter gets on base .. walk , scratch hit, blooper Oli will pull him right then and there.
No doubt Oli would've pulled Pallante or Libby, probably Fedde too.
Not many veterans like Gray are going to tell the Manager they want to be yanked, up to Oli to make that call.
You’re Monday morning quarterbacking.
Oli may have wanted the bullpen to get a little rest. Or maybe Oli watched on Monday and Tues how the bullpen was shaky.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:22 pm
Should've been pulled, this early in the season, after six when his line of 6 IP/ 1 ER would've been very good.
Poor managing, I'm not concerned about Gray.
Agree with you ! Six innings was fine. When Oli went out to the mound, he must have been asking if he was feeling tired and told 'No'
Oli deferred to the veteran. If Gray had been any other pitcher , Oli would have just pulled him .
So Oli gave his top arm the benefit of the doubt and bingo wouldn't you know it got burned with the grand slam .
The old ' the manager took the guy out one pitch too late' thing.
Now that Oli was burned , if Gray would start a 7th inning next time (which unsure if Oi would ) , you can bet if even the first batter gets on base .. walk , scratch hit, blooper Oli will pull him right then and there.
No doubt Oli would've pulled Pallante or Libby, probably Fedde too.
Not many veterans like Gray are going to tell the Manager they want to be yanked, up to Oli to make that call.
You’re Monday morning quarterbacking.
Oli may have wanted the bullpen to get a little rest. Or maybe Oli watched on Monday and Tues how the bullpen was shaky.
Its not really Monday morning quarterbacking everyone on here who paid attention to games last season knows hes not a 7 inning pitcher you would think Oli would be able to know that also. His ERA was 5.33 in the 5th 4.67 in the 6th and 4.82 in the 7th. So while some veterans you might go with in that situation but Gray should not pitch past the 6th he is not that guy and if he runs into trouble in the 6th need to pull him fast. Fortunately the offense bailed oli out of his bad managing which is what it will have to do a lot this season
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 14:22 pm
Should've been pulled, this early in the season, after six when his line of 6 IP/ 1 ER would've been very good.
Poor managing, I'm not concerned about Gray.
Agree with you ! Six innings was fine. When Oli went out to the mound, he must have been asking if he was feeling tired and told 'No'
Oli deferred to the veteran. If Gray had been any other pitcher , Oli would have just pulled him .
So Oli gave his top arm the benefit of the doubt and bingo wouldn't you know it got burned with the grand slam .
The old ' the manager took the guy out one pitch too late' thing.
Now that Oli was burned , if Gray would start a 7th inning next time (which unsure if Oi would ) , you can bet if even the first batter gets on base .. walk , scratch hit, blooper Oli will pull him right then and there.
No doubt Oli would've pulled Pallante or Libby, probably Fedde too.
Not many veterans like Gray are going to tell the Manager they want to be yanked, up to Oli to make that call.
Really helped to have Yadi to give an honest take. Now Marmol has no help to go along with having no feel for it on his own.
