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100%Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:54 amHis 1, 2, 3 goal in the off season was to trade Arenado and he did not trade him so he failedscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:20 amHow did he fail?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 20:12 pm Has a POBO ever won an executive of the year award for only attempting to do one thing the entire off season and failing at it?
Was there an acceptable trade for all parties involved or did one never emerge?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:54 amHis 1, 2, 3 goal in the off season was to trade Arenado and he did not trade him so he failedscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:20 amHow did he fail?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 20:12 pm Has a POBO ever won an executive of the year award for only attempting to do one thing the entire off season and failing at it?
I don’t know any of that. All I know is he stated his 1, 2 and 3 goals were to trade Arenado. He failed all three of those stated goals so I don’t see how you can possibly say he succeeded at those goals he failed. It’s dumb to try to say he didn’t fail at those goalsscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 09:35 amWas there an acceptable trade for all parties involved or did one never emerge?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:54 amHis 1, 2, 3 goal in the off season was to trade Arenado and he did not trade him so he failedscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:20 amHow did he fail?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 20:12 pm Has a POBO ever won an executive of the year award for only attempting to do one thing the entire off season and failing at it?
How many players needed this to happen to be successful,? Is it the failure of just one of the parties?
If he had given him away, paid half his salary and his current production was on another team, what would you say about that?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:04 amI don’t know any of that. All I know is he stated his 1, 2 and 3 goals were to trade Arenado. He failed all three of those stated goals so I don’t see how you can possibly say he succeeded at those goals he failed. It’s dumb to try to say he didn’t fail at those goalsscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 09:35 amWas there an acceptable trade for all parties involved or did one never emerge?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:54 amHis 1, 2, 3 goal in the off season was to trade Arenado and he did not trade him so he failedscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:20 amHow did he fail?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 20:12 pm Has a POBO ever won an executive of the year award for only attempting to do one thing the entire off season and failing at it?
How many players needed this to happen to be successful,? Is it the failure of just one of the parties?
I dont know but i wouldnt have said he failed at his stated goal. You can list excuses for why he failed that means nothing I am pointing out the facts. His 1, 2, 3 goals that he stated were to trade Arenado he failed to do so and it looks like early on he was saved from making another dumb move because he failed at his only offseason goalsriff raff wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:28 amIf he had given him away, paid half his salary and his current production was on another team, what would you say about that?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:04 amI don’t know any of that. All I know is he stated his 1, 2 and 3 goals were to trade Arenado. He failed all three of those stated goals so I don’t see how you can possibly say he succeeded at those goals he failed. It’s dumb to try to say he didn’t fail at those goalsscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 09:35 amWas there an acceptable trade for all parties involved or did one never emerge?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:54 amHis 1, 2, 3 goal in the off season was to trade Arenado and he did not trade him so he failedscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:20 amHow did he fail?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 20:12 pm Has a POBO ever won an executive of the year award for only attempting to do one thing the entire off season and failing at it?
How many players needed this to happen to be successful,? Is it the failure of just one of the parties?
Yep. I may throw up in my mouth a bit when announced, but a celabratory beer for a miracle season can wash it back down.desertrat23 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 20:07 pm As long as he’s still unemployed at the end of the season, fine.
That’s so simple even Snouty should be able to figure it out if given a head start.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 08:08 am100%Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:54 amHis 1, 2, 3 goal in the off season was to trade Arenado and he did not trade him so he failedscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:20 amHow did he fail?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 20:12 pm Has a POBO ever won an executive of the year award for only attempting to do one thing the entire off season and failing at it?
I'll just assume you would have called any trade a failure as well. I'll give him credit for not caving in and making a bad deal.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:50 amI dont know but i wouldnt have said he failed at his stated goal. You can list excuses for why he failed that means nothing I am pointing out the facts. His 1, 2, 3 goals that he stated were to trade Arenado he failed to do so and it looks like early on he was saved from making another dumb move because he failed at his only offseason goalsriff raff wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:28 amIf he had given him away, paid half his salary and his current production was on another team, what would you say about that?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:04 amI don’t know any of that. All I know is he stated his 1, 2 and 3 goals were to trade Arenado. He failed all three of those stated goals so I don’t see how you can possibly say he succeeded at those goals he failed. It’s dumb to try to say he didn’t fail at those goalsscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 09:35 amWas there an acceptable trade for all parties involved or did one never emerge?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:54 amHis 1, 2, 3 goal in the off season was to trade Arenado and he did not trade him so he failedscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:20 amHow did he fail?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 20:12 pm Has a POBO ever won an executive of the year award for only attempting to do one thing the entire off season and failing at it?
How many players needed this to happen to be successful,? Is it the failure of just one of the parties?
No that is your assumption and its not a good one. I give Mo credit where credit is due both good and bad. I knew they wouldn't get much for him the Rockies didn't get much for him when he was elite and he had a bad season, was owed a lot of money and the teams he agreed to go to were limited. But I will agree to disagree on the subject. I will call it what it is him failing at his three stated off season goals and being rescued from making a dumb move by Arenado when he declined to waive his NTC.riff raff wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 11:06 amI'll just assume you would have called any trade a failure as well. I'll give him credit for not caving in and making a bad deal.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:50 amI dont know but i wouldnt have said he failed at his stated goal. You can list excuses for why he failed that means nothing I am pointing out the facts. His 1, 2, 3 goals that he stated were to trade Arenado he failed to do so and it looks like early on he was saved from making another dumb move because he failed at his only offseason goalsriff raff wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:28 amIf he had given him away, paid half his salary and his current production was on another team, what would you say about that?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:04 amI don’t know any of that. All I know is he stated his 1, 2 and 3 goals were to trade Arenado. He failed all three of those stated goals so I don’t see how you can possibly say he succeeded at those goals he failed. It’s dumb to try to say he didn’t fail at those goalsscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 09:35 amWas there an acceptable trade for all parties involved or did one never emerge?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:54 amHis 1, 2, 3 goal in the off season was to trade Arenado and he did not trade him so he failedscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:20 amHow did he fail?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 20:12 pm Has a POBO ever won an executive of the year award for only attempting to do one thing the entire off season and failing at it?
How many players needed this to happen to be successful,? Is it the failure of just one of the parties?
That's fair but we don't know what the return might have been from Houston so your assumption that he was saved from a bad move is not a good one. I know that Nado has been good so far and I'll take it.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 11:20 amNo that is your assumption and its not a good one. I give Mo credit where credit is due both good and bad. I knew they wouldn't get much for him the Rockies didn't get much for him when he was elite and he had a bad season, was owed a lot of money and the teams he agreed to go to were limited. But I will agree to disagree on the subject. I will call it what it is him failing at his three stated off season goals and being rescued from making a dumb move by Arenado when he declined to waive his NTC.riff raff wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 11:06 amI'll just assume you would have called any trade a failure as well. I'll give him credit for not caving in and making a bad deal.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:50 amI dont know but i wouldnt have said he failed at his stated goal. You can list excuses for why he failed that means nothing I am pointing out the facts. His 1, 2, 3 goals that he stated were to trade Arenado he failed to do so and it looks like early on he was saved from making another dumb move because he failed at his only offseason goalsriff raff wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:28 amIf he had given him away, paid half his salary and his current production was on another team, what would you say about that?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:04 amI don’t know any of that. All I know is he stated his 1, 2 and 3 goals were to trade Arenado. He failed all three of those stated goals so I don’t see how you can possibly say he succeeded at those goals he failed. It’s dumb to try to say he didn’t fail at those goalsscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 09:35 amWas there an acceptable trade for all parties involved or did one never emerge?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:54 amHis 1, 2, 3 goal in the off season was to trade Arenado and he did not trade him so he failedscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:20 amHow did he fail?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 20:12 pm Has a POBO ever won an executive of the year award for only attempting to do one thing the entire off season and failing at it?
How many players needed this to happen to be successful,? Is it the failure of just one of the parties?
Not attaining a mandate is failure. Not attaining a goal is acknowledging that features need to fall in place over which Mo had no control. Not making a bad trade is far more significant. I am glad he was unable to achieve his goal. I never considered Arenado gone.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:50 amI dont know but i wouldnt have said he failed at his stated goal. You can list excuses for why he failed that means nothing I am pointing out the facts. His 1, 2, 3 goals that he stated were to trade Arenado he failed to do so and it looks like early on he was saved from making another dumb move because he failed at his only offseason goalsriff raff wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:28 amIf he had given him away, paid half his salary and his current production was on another team, what would you say about that?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:04 amI don’t know any of that. All I know is he stated his 1, 2 and 3 goals were to trade Arenado. He failed all three of those stated goals so I don’t see how you can possibly say he succeeded at those goals he failed. It’s dumb to try to say he didn’t fail at those goalsscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 09:35 amWas there an acceptable trade for all parties involved or did one never emerge?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:54 amHis 1, 2, 3 goal in the off season was to trade Arenado and he did not trade him so he failedscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:20 amHow did he fail?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 20:12 pm Has a POBO ever won an executive of the year award for only attempting to do one thing the entire off season and failing at it?
How many players needed this to happen to be successful,? Is it the failure of just one of the parties?
Oli might even become manager of the year. Let Chaim sift thru that.thetank2 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 19:27 pm Cards win the division Mo will win another executive of the year. Look at all of the draft picks starting for the Cardinals.
Nootbaar, Scott, Walker in the OF. Then you have Herrera and Winn and Gorman. Burly and Donovan as well.
The SP looks like very competent.
Looks better than last year. Long season.
Glad you realize you don't knowOzziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 10:04 amI don’t know any of that. All I know is he stated his 1, 2 and 3 goals were to trade Arenado. He failed all three of those stated goals so I don’t see how you can possibly say he succeeded at those goals he failed. It’s dumb to try to say he didn’t fail at those goalsscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 09:35 amWas there an acceptable trade for all parties involved or did one never emerge?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:54 amHis 1, 2, 3 goal in the off season was to trade Arenado and he did not trade him so he failedscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 07:20 amHow did he fail?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 20:12 pm Has a POBO ever won an executive of the year award for only attempting to do one thing the entire off season and failing at it?
How many players needed this to happen to be successful,? Is it the failure of just one of the parties?