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Have scored 5 or more in 5 of 6 games and 10 or more hits in all 6 games and people are unhappy with the lineup construction.

woofy25 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 15:41 pm

DRoss wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 14:07 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 13:22 pm The Walker part ain't broke so don't fix it. Willie should come around.

Look Walker is having some success as the #7 in a sss. Let him stay there for now before moving him up.

This is nothing new for Walker as he's had success his first two season hitting at the bottom half of the order. Meanwhile, WillyC has been awful so far.

It should be about constructing lineups conducive for winning, not players feelings.

Or maybe let them play a little bit and trust Contreras, who is the best hitter on the team, will figure it out. All while letting Walker stay where he is to keep the pressure off?
Idk, they’re averaging 7 runs/gm right. That’ll do, no?

What brings you to the conclusion that this 3rd-year player need the pressure kept off? And maybe WillyC is feeling pressure in the 2 spot. Moving him down in the order may help him snap out of his funk soon.

Your goalpost moving questions about averaging 7 runs is a deflection, no?

Walker simply looks a lot more comfortable at the plate. With an Orthodox stance and swing path that is easy repeatable. Stick with what he is doing. Power will come. He ain't hitting forty but north of twenty should be attainable in short order.

DRoss wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 20:54 pm

woofy25 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 15:41 pm

DRoss wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 14:07 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 13:22 pm The Walker part ain't broke so don't fix it. Willie should come around.

Look Walker is having some success as the #7 in a sss. Let him stay there for now before moving him up.

This is nothing new for Walker as he's had success his first two season hitting at the bottom half of the order. Meanwhile, WillyC has been awful so far.

It should be about constructing lineups conducive for winning, not players feelings.

Or maybe let them play a little bit and trust Contreras, who is the best hitter on the team, will figure it out. All while letting Walker stay where he is to keep the pressure off?
Idk, they’re averaging 7 runs/gm right. That’ll do, no?

What brings you to the conclusion that this 3rd-year player need the pressure kept off? And maybe WillyC is feeling pressure in the 2 spot. Moving him down in the order may help him snap out of his funk soon.

Your goalpost moving questions about averaging 7 runs is a deflection, no?

5 would be a good spot for Contreras, right now

Web7 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 13:02 pm Walker has been treated awful by Oli

A whole 6 games. Your diaper must be full and a wicked rash formed...

Web7 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 13:02 pm Walker has been treated awful by Oli

God, how I’ve missed your takes!

DRoss wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 20:54 pm

woofy25 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 15:41 pm

DRoss wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 14:07 pm

HorseTrader wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 13:22 pm The Walker part ain't broke so don't fix it. Willie should come around.

Look Walker is having some success as the #7 in a sss. Let him stay there for now before moving him up.

This is nothing new for Walker as he's had success his first two season hitting at the bottom half of the order. Meanwhile, WillyC has been awful so far.

It should be about constructing lineups conducive for winning, not players feelings.

Or maybe let them play a little bit and trust Contreras, who is the best hitter on the team, will figure it out. All while letting Walker stay where he is to keep the pressure off?
Idk, they’re averaging 7 runs/gm right. That’ll do, no?

What brings you to the conclusion that this 3rd-year player need the pressure kept off? And maybe WillyC is feeling pressure in the 2 spot. Moving him down in the order may help him snap out of his funk soon.

Your goalpost moving questions about averaging 7 runs is a deflection, no?

Really? A question about whether Contreras is feeling pressure to produce? Has he not proven that he can handle it? Walker is hitting, and they’re scoring runs. Why mess with the batting order? If you want to swap Contreras and Donovan then sure, but can we just let Jordan Walker be for 5 freaking minutes?

I didn’t move the goalposts. Rather, I was responding to your comment about constructing lineups conducive to winning. To that I said they’re scoring 7 runs/gm. I’d say that shows the lineup has been constructed in a way that’s conducive to winning, thus far. Nice try on the goalpost thing though.

Shady wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 20:59 pm 5 would be a good spot for Contreras, right now

He has been striking out too much for the 5th spot imo. The Cards have been putting runners on base. Ideally you want the 5-hole able to put the ball in play to at least move runners along.

7th or 8th depending if Pages starts.

woofy25 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 21:22 pm
Really? A question about whether Contreras is feeling pressure to produce? Has he not proven that he can handle it? Walker is hitting, and they’re scoring runs. Why mess with the batting order? If you want to swap Contreras and Donovan then sure, but can we just let Jordan Walker be for 5 freaking minutes?

I didn’t move the goalposts. Rather, I was responding to your comment about constructing lineups conducive to winning. To that I said they’re scoring 7 runs/gm. I’d say that shows the lineup has been constructed in a way that’s conducive to winning, thus far. Nice try on the goalpost thing though.

It's 2025. Not 2024. Not 2023. With so many strikeouts this year, it is entirely possible WillyC is experiencing some pressure. So no, WillyC hasn't proven yet he can handle batting second.

Walker hitting this year is not a new phenomenon. He has hit every year he has been on the team. It's not his fault some genius decided to send him down his first year to work on launch angle nonsense. After being sent down because of a slow start last year (again the team screwing with his hitting approach) he came back late summer and was productive to end the season. 2025 he has come out of the gate hitting again. Yet some of y'all must think he is mentally Jello if he bats higher in the lineup.

I don't get it.

Batting order spots in the lineup or not etched in stone for the full season. example ..2024 Goldy was either 2nd or 3rd steadily despite massive struggles ..not only in low bastting average but tons of strikeouts . Being an All Star veteran , Oli kept waiting , waiting , for Goldy to snap out of his major slump.. finally meeting with Goldy and telling him I really need to move you lower in the lineup . Goldy , being the pro he is, reportedly didn't kick and scream about that and agreed it was better for the team if he went lower.
Probably same thing would happen with Contreras. May not wait as long though as with Goldy if WillyCon slump is extended.

Lead off with Noot ..and slot Winn at 9th then for the rest of the lineup do this

Oli selects the players for that day's game . Then go to a School for the Blind and pick a different guy or gal to have the honor of setting the rest of the lineup . No Braille .. Just the other 7 names on slips of paper and they pull them out of a Cardinal cap in the Cardnal clubhouse. The cap has been autographed by the team players and given to the person making the draw each game. The lucky kid or adult also gets two seats to 'watch' and enjoy the game.
My guess is that the random 'blind' draw would be just as good as Oli setting the lineup card and maybe more fun for the players.
Let's put some excitement and goodwill into the games.

Imagine the thrill before the game when the announcer says .. Please recognize Jimmy Jones at home plate who set today's lineup for the Cardinals .
Kid smiling from ear to ear as the lineup is posted one by one.

Keep the lineup as is. Scoring 5 rpg. Willy C will break out on this road trip.

Web7 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 13:02 pm Walker has been treated awful by Oli

Another 'bazar' thread!

Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 13:54 pm Send him down……send him down

His launch angle is too low.

DRoss wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 22:26 pm

woofy25 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2025 21:22 pm
Really? A question about whether Contreras is feeling pressure to produce? Has he not proven that he can handle it? Walker is hitting, and they’re scoring runs. Why mess with the batting order? If you want to swap Contreras and Donovan then sure, but can we just let Jordan Walker be for 5 freaking minutes?

I didn’t move the goalposts. Rather, I was responding to your comment about constructing lineups conducive to winning. To that I said they’re scoring 7 runs/gm. I’d say that shows the lineup has been constructed in a way that’s conducive to winning, thus far. Nice try on the goalpost thing though.

It's 2025. Not 2024. Not 2023. With so many strikeouts this year, it is entirely possible WillyC is experiencing some pressure. So no, WillyC hasn't proven yet he can handle batting second.

Walker hitting this year is not a new phenomenon. He has hit every year he has been on the team. It's not his fault some genius decided to send him down his first year to work on launch angle nonsense. After being sent down because of a slow start last year (again the team screwing with his hitting approach) he came back late summer and was productive to end the season. 2025 he has come out of the gate hitting again. Yet some of y'all must think he is mentally Jello if he bats higher in the lineup.

I don't get it.

Yea the cardinals have screwed him multiple times. But no he did not hit last year he ended with a .201 avg with the cardinals and like a .760 ops in Memphis. Again, the lineup is producing as is. Walker is freaking 22. Let him have success for a minute. Then, move him to the middle of the lineup later. Doesn’t have to be the third game in April for any reason.

Multiple people on this forum are so caught up in the moment. Somebody said Burleson better start hitting or he’s just going to become a pinch hitter. Why are people making such declarations the first week of April? It’s incredibly shortsighted. The Clydesdales galloped around the stadium last week. The Red Sox home opener is today. Give the season a minute before jumping to conclusions.

I don’t get it

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑02 Apr 2025 17:10 pm Have scored 5 or more in 5 of 6 games and 10 or more hits in all 6 games and people are unhappy with the lineup construction.

Not people, just rweb/web7.