rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 08:46 am
I know this will attract those who (incorrectly) think where a player hit in the order doesn't matter.
BUT
In his career, WillyC hitting #2:
.234 .334 .446 .780
Other than hitting 7th, this is his worse slash line.
It's very obvious WillyC and Donovan should be flipped w/Contreras in the #3 hole (.842 career OPS) where he belongs.
But this stupid theory hitting MOTO hitters in the #2 spot has infiltrated Oli's brain and he needs to correct it ASAP.
Noot
Donovan
WillyC
NADO
Hererra
That's your correct 1 - 5 (IMO) and I don't give a c ra p about the stupid L-R-L-R baloney either, put your hitters in the spot where their strengths can be maximized!
Cue scouty in 3-2-1...............
Says the guy complaining the last two seasons about Goldie batting 2nd.
Goldie hit freaking lead off for the yanks yesterday.and was 2-3 w a double and HR.
Lineup order really doesnt matter if the players are vets.
How many fewer RBI’s would Ruth have had batting leadoff his entire career?
Not the point…
Well sure it is. Scott and Winn have an OBP % of .250 and .125……Noot and Donovan have .667 and .333
Why would you ever have a Slugging hitter batting leadoff?
Why are you citing OBP after two games as reason for anything?
rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 08:46 am
I know this will attract those who (incorrectly) think where a player hit in the order doesn't matter.
BUT
In his career, WillyC hitting #2:
.234 .334 .446 .780
Other than hitting 7th, this is his worse slash line.
It's very obvious WillyC and Donovan should be flipped w/Contreras in the #3 hole (.842 career OPS) where he belongs.
But this stupid theory hitting MOTO hitters in the #2 spot has infiltrated Oli's brain and he needs to correct it ASAP.
Noot
Donovan
WillyC
NADO
Hererra
That's your correct 1 - 5 (IMO) and I don't give a c ra p about the stupid L-R-L-R baloney either, put your hitters in the spot where their strengths can be maximized!
Cue scouty in 3-2-1...............
Says the guy complaining the last two seasons about Goldie batting 2nd.
Goldie hit freaking lead off for the yanks yesterday.and was 2-3 w a double and HR.
Lineup order really doesnt matter if the players are vets.
How many fewer RBI’s would Ruth have had batting leadoff his entire career?
Not the point…
Well sure it is. Scott and Winn have an OBP % of .250 and .125……Noot and Donovan have .667 and .333
Why would you ever have a Slugging hitter batting leadoff?
Not the point.
It's about if X player can produce in different spots in the order.
Well a prime Goldy, Ruth, Pujols,……most productive spot in a batting order is NEVER leadoff. 20% of season PA are guaranteed 0 opportunities with runners on base
Not the point.
See Rock's original post again and try and follow along...
rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 08:46 am
I know this will attract those who (incorrectly) think where a player hit in the order doesn't matter.
BUT
In his career, WillyC hitting #2:
.234 .334 .446 .780
Other than hitting 7th, this is his worse slash line.
It's very obvious WillyC and Donovan should be flipped w/Contreras in the #3 hole (.842 career OPS) where he belongs.
But this stupid theory hitting MOTO hitters in the #2 spot has infiltrated Oli's brain and he needs to correct it ASAP.
Noot
Donovan
WillyC
NADO
Hererra
That's your correct 1 - 5 (IMO) and I don't give a c ra p about the stupid L-R-L-R baloney either, put your hitters in the spot where their strengths can be maximized!
Cue scouty in 3-2-1...............
Your attempt to disguise myopia with intelligence isn't working.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 08:46 am
I know this will attract those who (incorrectly) think where a player hit in the order doesn't matter.
BUT
In his career, WillyC hitting #2:
.234 .334 .446 .780
Other than hitting 7th, this is his worse slash line.
It's very obvious WillyC and Donovan should be flipped w/Contreras in the #3 hole (.842 career OPS) where he belongs.
But this stupid theory hitting MOTO hitters in the #2 spot has infiltrated Oli's brain and he needs to correct it ASAP.
Noot
Donovan
WillyC
NADO
Hererra
That's your correct 1 - 5 (IMO) and I don't give a c ra p about the stupid L-R-L-R baloney either, put your hitters in the spot where their strengths can be maximized!
Cue scouty in 3-2-1...............
Says the guy complaining the last two seasons about Goldie batting 2nd.
Goldie hit freaking lead off for the yanks yesterday.and was 2-3 w a double and HR.
Lineup order really doesnt matter if the players are vets.
How many fewer RBI’s would Ruth have had batting leadoff his entire career?
Not the point…
Well sure it is. Scott and Winn have an OBP % of .250 and .125……Noot and Donovan have .667 and .333
Why would you ever have a Slugging hitter batting leadoff?
Not the point.
It's about if X player can produce in different spots in the order.
Well a prime Goldy, Ruth, Pujols,……most productive spot in a batting order is NEVER leadoff. 20% of season PA are guaranteed 0 opportunities with runners on base
Not the point.
See Rock's original post again and try and follow along...
Rocks point is that Goldy hit Better in the 3 hole…..and perhaps a degree of comfortability in hitting in the middle of a lineup if that’s where a player has spent his career…..but my point is it’s stupid to put an elite slugger at leadoff. Some analytic geek sees a .400 OBP and completely blocks out that the slug with runners on is much more important than wasting the .400OBP and watching him get left on by inferior bats behind him….now if you have a team full of Pujols I guess it doesn’t matter
OldRed wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 09:04 am
I think his defense at first has been very good. It's only two games. Maybe he needs to change the tape he was chewing on. I've never seen that before.
I've actually done that before. They beat that horse to death on the broadcast. It's simple, trying to throw it is difficult because it sticks to your glove. Mouth it, then ditch it in the dugout.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 08:46 am
I know this will attract those who (incorrectly) think where a player hit in the order doesn't matter.
BUT
In his career, WillyC hitting #2:
.234 .334 .446 .780
Other than hitting 7th, this is his worse slash line.
It's very obvious WillyC and Donovan should be flipped w/Contreras in the #3 hole (.842 career OPS) where he belongs.
But this stupid theory hitting MOTO hitters in the #2 spot has infiltrated Oli's brain and he needs to correct it ASAP.
Noot
Donovan
WillyC
NADO
Hererra
That's your correct 1 - 5 (IMO) and I don't give a c ra p about the stupid L-R-L-R baloney either, put your hitters in the spot where their strengths can be maximized!
Cue scouty in 3-2-1...............
Says the guy complaining the last two seasons about Goldie batting 2nd.
Goldie hit freaking lead off for the yanks yesterday.and was 2-3 w a double and HR.
Lineup order really doesnt matter if the players are vets.
How many fewer RBI’s would Ruth have had batting leadoff his entire career?
Not the point…
Well sure it is. Scott and Winn have an OBP % of .250 and .125……Noot and Donovan have .667 and .333
Why would you ever have a Slugging hitter batting leadoff?
Not the point.
It's about if X player can produce in different spots in the order.
Well a prime Goldy, Ruth, Pujols,……most productive spot in a batting order is NEVER leadoff. 20% of season PA are guaranteed 0 opportunities with runners on base
Not the point.
See Rock's original post again and try and follow along...
Rocks point is that Goldy hit Better in the 3 hole…..and perhaps a degree of comfortability in hitting in the middle of a lineup if that’s where a player has spent his career…..but my point is it’s stupid to put an elite slugger at leadoff. Some analytic geek sees a .400 OBP and completely blocks out that the slug with runners on is much more important than wasting the .400OBP and watching him get left on by inferior bats behind him….now if you have a team full of Pujols I guess it doesn’t matter
Not the point.
Rock is talking player comfort and familiarity.
You’re talking about building a lineup.
We can talk the latter if you want, but it has nothing to do w Rock’s assertions.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 08:46 am
I know this will attract those who (incorrectly) think where a player hit in the order doesn't matter.
BUT
In his career, WillyC hitting #2:
.234 .334 .446 .780
Other than hitting 7th, this is his worse slash line.
It's very obvious WillyC and Donovan should be flipped w/Contreras in the #3 hole (.842 career OPS) where he belongs.
But this stupid theory hitting MOTO hitters in the #2 spot has infiltrated Oli's brain and he needs to correct it ASAP.
Noot
Donovan
WillyC
NADO
Hererra
That's your correct 1 - 5 (IMO) and I don't give a c ra p about the stupid L-R-L-R baloney either, put your hitters in the spot where their strengths can be maximized!
Cue scouty in 3-2-1...............
first of all he is an incredibly streaky hitter...second this obsession with batting order os ridiculous...trout batted second,bonds batted second for a period as have so many others...when he starts hitting which he will it wont matter where he is batting
This is a silly thread. Contreras has always been a streaky hitter. He looked left for dead several months into 2023 and endednthe season above his career averages then followed it up with arguably his best offensive season last year, albeit now a full year because of injuries.
He is starting to get older but i wouldnt worry over a small sample size considering the year he came off from
If he was coming off a down year id be more worried. He will heat up. Come back to me in a month.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 08:46 am
I know this will attract those who (incorrectly) think where a player hit in the order doesn't matter.
BUT
In his career, WillyC hitting #2:
.234 .334 .446 .780
Other than hitting 7th, this is his worse slash line.
It's very obvious WillyC and Donovan should be flipped w/Contreras in the #3 hole (.842 career OPS) where he belongs.
But this stupid theory hitting MOTO hitters in the #2 spot has infiltrated Oli's brain and he needs to correct it ASAP.
Noot
Donovan
WillyC
NADO
Hererra
That's your correct 1 - 5 (IMO) and I don't give a c ra p about the stupid L-R-L-R baloney either, put your hitters in the spot where their strengths can be maximized!
Cue scouty in 3-2-1...............
Says the guy complaining the last two seasons about Goldie batting 2nd.
Goldie hit freaking lead off for the yanks yesterday.and was 2-3 w a double and HR.
Lineup order really doesnt matter if the players are vets.
How many fewer RBI’s would Ruth have had batting leadoff his entire career?
Not the point…
Well sure it is. Scott and Winn have an OBP % of .250 and .125……Noot and Donovan have .667 and .333
Why would you ever have a Slugging hitter batting leadoff?
Not the point.
It's about if X player can produce in different spots in the order.
Well a prime Goldy, Ruth, Pujols,……most productive spot in a batting order is NEVER leadoff. 20% of season PA are guaranteed 0 opportunities with runners on base
Not the point.
See Rock's original post again and try and follow along...
Rocks point is that Goldy hit Better in the 3 hole…..and perhaps a degree of comfortability in hitting in the middle of a lineup if that’s where a player has spent his career…..but my point is it’s stupid to put an elite slugger at leadoff. Some analytic geek sees a .400 OBP and completely blocks out that the slug with runners on is much more important than wasting the .400OBP and watching him get left on by inferior bats behind him….now if you have a team full of Pujols I guess it doesn’t matter
Not the point.
Rock is talking player comfort and familiarity.
You’re talking about building a lineup.
We can talk the latter if you want, but it has nothing to do w Rock’s assertions.
“and perhaps a degree of comfortability in hitting in the middle of a lineup if that’s where a player has spent his career”
rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 08:46 am
I know this will attract those who (incorrectly) think where a player hit in the order doesn't matter.
BUT
In his career, WillyC hitting #2:
.234 .334 .446 .780
Other than hitting 7th, this is his worse slash line.
It's very obvious WillyC and Donovan should be flipped w/Contreras in the #3 hole (.842 career OPS) where he belongs.
But this stupid theory hitting MOTO hitters in the #2 spot has infiltrated Oli's brain and he needs to correct it ASAP.
Noot
Donovan
WillyC
NADO
Hererra
That's your correct 1 - 5 (IMO) and I don't give a c ra p about the stupid L-R-L-R baloney either, put your hitters in the spot where their strengths can be maximized!
Cue scouty in 3-2-1...............
Lol. Also, tell us how he will hit when the weather warms up.
Rock going all Goldy can't hit based on place in batting order...after 2 games.
Never too early to help Oli, you know the Manager who all last year ignored my cries to get Winn out of the lead-off spot and put Noot there.
