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Punkk6 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 20:02 pm What's it usually mean when a 35 year old loses 2-3 mph on his fastball ?

A 5’10 170 lb 35 yr old……

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 18:52 pm

Melville wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 18:48 pm He will be just fine - barring injury.

Thats the whole point Mel, hes not healthy. Way to cover your bases though.

I suspect his health is fine.
Have you seen him pitch?
He is one of the most max-efforts starters in MLB.
I have no doubt he is holding back a bit until the season begins.
He knows how to get himself ready.

Melville wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 20:11 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 18:52 pm

Melville wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 18:48 pm He will be just fine - barring injury.

Thats the whole point Mel, hes not healthy. Way to cover your bases though.

I suspect his health is fine.
Have you seen him pitch?
He is one of the most max-efforts starters in MLB.
I have no doubt he is holding back a bit until the season begins.
He knows how to get himself ready.

Had his last start today and was throwing 91. Waiting til OD to ramp it up isnt a great idea, by now he should be ready to go. Hes toast.

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 20:17 pm

Melville wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 20:11 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 18:52 pm

Melville wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 18:48 pm He will be just fine - barring injury.

Thats the whole point Mel, hes not healthy. Way to cover your bases though.

I suspect his health is fine.
Have you seen him pitch?
He is one of the most max-efforts starters in MLB.
I have no doubt he is holding back a bit until the season begins.
He knows how to get himself ready.

Had his last start today and was throwing 91. Waiting til OD to ramp it up isnt a great idea, by now he should be ready to go. Hes toast.

I was on here the day Mo signed him saying paying your #1 pitching $$ to a 34 yr old 5’10 170 guy who has trouble staying games ain’t so smart

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 20:17 pm

Melville wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 20:11 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 18:52 pm

Melville wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 18:48 pm He will be just fine - barring injury.

Thats the whole point Mel, hes not healthy. Way to cover your bases though.

I suspect his health is fine.
Have you seen him pitch?
He is one of the most max-efforts starters in MLB.
I have no doubt he is holding back a bit until the season begins.
He knows how to get himself ready.

Had his last start today and was throwing 91. Waiting til OD to ramp it up isnt a great idea, by now he should be ready to go. Hes toast.

Maybe he has another career in country music.

Goldfan wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 20:21 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 20:17 pm

Melville wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 20:11 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 18:52 pm

Melville wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 18:48 pm He will be just fine - barring injury.

Thats the whole point Mel, hes not healthy. Way to cover your bases though.

I suspect his health is fine.
Have you seen him pitch?
He is one of the most max-efforts starters in MLB.
I have no doubt he is holding back a bit until the season begins.
He knows how to get himself ready.

Had his last start today and was throwing 91. Waiting til OD to ramp it up isnt a great idea, by now he should be ready to go. Hes toast.

I was on here the day Mo signed him saying paying your #1 pitching $$ to a 34 yr old 5’10 170 guy who has trouble staying games ain’t so smart

and I was right there with ya.
it's one thing to keep drafting smallish RH college seniors (did this a lot for several years).
it's another thing to give BIG BUCKS to a smallish, not young RHer

Everyone knows Spring Training means nothing. Every year everyone freaks out about it anyways.

We all also know the Cards will not be too great this year.

Until proven wrong in the regular season I'm sticking w/the veteran working on some pitches this spring and d a m n the results.

I'm just hoping he's not hiding a (minor) injury.

Gray is obviously hurt. The truly incredibly irresponsible thing is the Cards enter the season with full knowledge of this and did nothing to add a veteran to cover those innings. Rookies cannot amass large numbers of innings without jeopardizing their arms. This is why keeping Gibson was a no-brainer. Goodness!

rockondlouie wrote: ↑22 Mar 2025 09:01 am Until proven wrong in the regular season I'm sticking w/the veteran working on some pitches this spring and d a m n the results.

I'm just hoping he's not hiding a (minor) injury.

So you’re ignoring what he’s said.

Goldfan wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 20:21 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 20:17 pm

Melville wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 20:11 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 18:52 pm

Melville wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 18:48 pm He will be just fine - barring injury.

Thats the whole point Mel, hes not healthy. Way to cover your bases though.

I suspect his health is fine.
Have you seen him pitch?
He is one of the most max-efforts starters in MLB.
I have no doubt he is holding back a bit until the season begins.
He knows how to get himself ready.

Had his last start today and was throwing 91. Waiting til OD to ramp it up isnt a great idea, by now he should be ready to go. Hes toast.

I was on here the day Mo signed him saying paying your #1 pitching $$ to a 34 yr old 5’10 170 guy who has trouble staying games ain’t so smart

He far from a big guy but, I'd put him at 180.

The attempt at the time was to obtain a #1. Usually that takes more than a 3 year deal.
I dislike how it is backloaded. It has a chance at being the Cards worst contract on the books.

ForumPolice wrote: ↑21 Mar 2025 16:39 pm The cards offered to test the trade market for him but he declined because he has no interest in winning so he's just doing his part to contribute to the culture at this point

Or he declined a trade option because he was afraid of failing a physical.