Arenado

[Jatalk]

Not an NA fan. They should have forced him into a trade. But here is the deal. None of us know what his attitude is or will be. He does not appear to be the leadership type but we don’t know that.

Did he refuse trades because his ego would only allow him to play for certain teams? Does he love St Louis so much he is willing to play his last good years for a mediocre team? Or is he approaching season with something to prove?

I’m hoping for the latter.

A good owner should never do that to a player who waived his NTC to come here. That is bad karma for signing any future big FAs. Loyalty needs to work both ways but it has to start at the top.

The difference is his performance has not been good and he is not clutch. Since it should go both ways how about he lower his salary in recognition of his lower performance.

Players are loyal to themselves and owners should be loyal to the organization. And as for future FA’s pay them and they will come.

[Baseball Savant]

It would have been addition by subtraction getting rid of that self absorbed P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton]

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

Not an NA fan. They should have forced him into a trade. But here is the deal. None of us know what his attitude is or will be. He does not appear to be the leadership type but we don’t know that.

Did he refuse trades because his ego would only allow him to play for certain teams? Does he love St Louis so much he is willing to play his last good years for a mediocre team? Or is he approaching season with something to prove?

I’m hoping for the latter.

A good owner should never do that to a player who waived his NTC to come here. That is bad karma for signing any future big FAs. Loyalty needs to work both ways but it has to start at the top.

The difference is his performance has not been good and he is not clutch. Since it should go both ways how about he lower his salary in recognition of his lower performance.

Players are loyal to themselves and owners should be loyal to the organization. And as for future FA’s pay them and they will come.

As explained before, Arenado is a very serious man who is highly competitive. He is toughest on himself.

He and his family are happy in St Louis and at no time did Arenado initiate any discussion on leaving the Cardinals.

I'm certain he holds Mo and DeWitt responsible for keeping their word on any promises made when he had the options to opt-out.

It would be laughable if Nolan told Mo/DeWitt do what you think you need to do as far as any potential trade; KNOWING FULL WELL HE HELD 100% OF THE LEVERAGE AND POWER.

Make 10 deals Mo, they are all a waste of time when I veto whatever you want to do.

Which of course is why he was never traded.

[Goldfan]

Not an NA fan. They should have forced him into a trade. But here is the deal. None of us know what his attitude is or will be. He does not appear to be the leadership type but we don’t know that.

Did he refuse trades because his ego would only allow him to play for certain teams? Does he love St Louis so much he is willing to play his last good years for a mediocre team? Or is he approaching season with something to prove?

I’m hoping for the latter.

I was thinking he'd be traded sometime during ST. Running out of time for that, so it looks like he's going to be our starting 3B this year. This means he'll likely be traded (Julyish) to someone looking to bolster their lineup for a pennant run. With that in mind, his attitude should be good as he'll want his trade value to be as high as possible. If by some miracle the Cards are in the thick of it his attitude should be great. Ergo, I'm not worried about his attitude.

You don’t think him telling Mo he wants out and lobbying on social media all offseason might convey a great desire to not be here?

Never happened, liar.

What never happened?

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

Not an NA fan. They should have forced him into a trade. But here is the deal. None of us know what his attitude is or will be. He does not appear to be the leadership type but we don’t know that.

Did he refuse trades because his ego would only allow him to play for certain teams? Does he love St Louis so much he is willing to play his last good years for a mediocre team? Or is he approaching season with something to prove?

I’m hoping for the latter.

I was thinking he'd be traded sometime during ST. Running out of time for that, so it looks like he's going to be our starting 3B this year. This means he'll likely be traded (Julyish) to someone looking to bolster their lineup for a pennant run. With that in mind, his attitude should be good as he'll want his trade value to be as high as possible. If by some miracle the Cards are in the thick of it his attitude should be great. Ergo, I'm not worried about his attitude.

You don’t think him telling Mo he wants out and lobbying on social media all offseason might convey a great desire to not be here?

Never happened, liar.

What never happened?

Your bull[shirt] claim that Arenado went to Mo saying he wants out.

That lie was totally debunked by all front office people, radio announcers, etc.

[Goldfan]

Not an NA fan. They should have forced him into a trade. But here is the deal. None of us know what his attitude is or will be. He does not appear to be the leadership type but we don’t know that.

Did he refuse trades because his ego would only allow him to play for certain teams? Does he love St Louis so much he is willing to play his last good years for a mediocre team? Or is he approaching season with something to prove?

I’m hoping for the latter.

I was thinking he'd be traded sometime during ST. Running out of time for that, so it looks like he's going to be our starting 3B this year. This means he'll likely be traded (Julyish) to someone looking to bolster their lineup for a pennant run. With that in mind, his attitude should be good as he'll want his trade value to be as high as possible. If by some miracle the Cards are in the thick of it his attitude should be great. Ergo, I'm not worried about his attitude.

You don’t think him telling Mo he wants out and lobbying on social media all offseason might convey a great desire to not be here?

Never happened, liar.

What never happened?

Your bull[shirt] claim that Arenado went to Mo saying he wants out.

He told Mo to look for a trade…….what do you think the entire offseason was about? If he didn’t say he wanted to be traded then he would’ve been in the same boat as WC and Gray…….with absolutely no attempts to trade him or lists of teams he would agree to….
So are you part of the mentally substandard crowd who camps out here and argues against reality?? What your point??

[Goldfan]

Not an NA fan. They should have forced him into a trade. But here is the deal. None of us know what his attitude is or will be. He does not appear to be the leadership type but we don’t know that.

Did he refuse trades because his ego would only allow him to play for certain teams? Does he love St Louis so much he is willing to play his last good years for a mediocre team? Or is he approaching season with something to prove?

I’m hoping for the latter.

I was thinking he'd be traded sometime during ST. Running out of time for that, so it looks like he's going to be our starting 3B this year. This means he'll likely be traded (Julyish) to someone looking to bolster their lineup for a pennant run. With that in mind, his attitude should be good as he'll want his trade value to be as high as possible. If by some miracle the Cards are in the thick of it his attitude should be great. Ergo, I'm not worried about his attitude.

You don’t think him telling Mo he wants out and lobbying on social media all offseason might convey a great desire to not be here?

Never happened, liar.

What never happened?

Your bull[shirt] claim that Arenado went to Mo saying he wants out.

He told Mo to look for a trade…….what do you think the entire offseason was about? If he didn’t say he wanted to be traded then he would’ve been in the same boat as WC and Gray…….with absolutely no attempts to trade him or lists of teams he would agree to….
So are you part of the mentally substandard crowd who camps out here and argues against reality?? What your point??

“Agent Joel Wolfe said at last month’s Winter Meetings that Arenado was only open to trades to clubs where he felt he could win both in the short-term and for the remainder of his contract. It’s a bit odd that the Astros, who reached the playoffs in 2024 and reached the ALCS each season from 2017-23, didn’t fit that criteria, but there are surely multiple factors behind his decision.”
So here his agent says he has a LIST of clubs to be traded to…..but according to you he doesn’t want to be traded. So if like WC and Gray he has a full NTC, then why does only NA have A LIST OF CLUBS TO BE TRADED TO IF HE WANTS TO REMAIN IN STL???

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

Not an NA fan. They should have forced him into a trade. But here is the deal. None of us know what his attitude is or will be. He does not appear to be the leadership type but we don’t know that.

Did he refuse trades because his ego would only allow him to play for certain teams? Does he love St Louis so much he is willing to play his last good years for a mediocre team? Or is he approaching season with something to prove?

I’m hoping for the latter.

I was thinking he'd be traded sometime during ST. Running out of time for that, so it looks like he's going to be our starting 3B this year. This means he'll likely be traded (Julyish) to someone looking to bolster their lineup for a pennant run. With that in mind, his attitude should be good as he'll want his trade value to be as high as possible. If by some miracle the Cards are in the thick of it his attitude should be great. Ergo, I'm not worried about his attitude.

You don’t think him telling Mo he wants out and lobbying on social media all offseason might convey a great desire to not be here?

Never happened, liar.

What never happened?

Your bull[shirt] claim that Arenado went to Mo saying he wants out.

He told Mo to look for a trade…….what do you think the entire offseason was about? If he didn’t say he wanted to be traded then he would’ve been in the same boat as WC and Gray…….with absolutely no attempts to trade him or lists of teams he would agree to….
So are you part of the mentally substandard crowd who camps out here and argues against reality?? What your point??

You're a brain dead little troll, but I'll explain it to you anyway.

DeWitt wanted to get rid of every veteran making decent money.

They thought if they told them all it was a youth movement, the vets would want to leave.

They were 100% wrong.

Some told Mo they were staying. Arenado let Mo go through the motions I believe, as a reminder to DeWitt that they didn't keep their word after Mo flew to California to prevent Arenado from opting out.

Arenado holds all the leverage and power of the NTC, and despite saying publicly he and his family loved it in St Louis, Mo went ahead and insulted Arenado with the notion of a trade.

Arenado made Mo and a few forum posters look like fools, rightfully so.

As stated, Arenado's words mean something to him. He said his family loved St Louis and that’s exactly what he meant.

I frankly am glad he punked DeWitt and Mo into trying to trade him, knowing full well he would veto any trade talks that went beyond the preliminary talks. No talks did, and Arenado wasn't traded.

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

Not an NA fan. They should have forced him into a trade. But here is the deal. None of us know what his attitude is or will be. He does not appear to be the leadership type but we don’t know that.

Did he refuse trades because his ego would only allow him to play for certain teams? Does he love St Louis so much he is willing to play his last good years for a mediocre team? Or is he approaching season with something to prove?

I’m hoping for the latter.

I was thinking he'd be traded sometime during ST. Running out of time for that, so it looks like he's going to be our starting 3B this year. This means he'll likely be traded (Julyish) to someone looking to bolster their lineup for a pennant run. With that in mind, his attitude should be good as he'll want his trade value to be as high as possible. If by some miracle the Cards are in the thick of it his attitude should be great. Ergo, I'm not worried about his attitude.

You don’t think him telling Mo he wants out and lobbying on social media all offseason might convey a great desire to not be here?

Never happened, liar.

What never happened?

Your bull[shirt] claim that Arenado went to Mo saying he wants out.

He told Mo to look for a trade…….what do you think the entire offseason was about? If he didn’t say he wanted to be traded then he would’ve been in the same boat as WC and Gray…….with absolutely no attempts to trade him or lists of teams he would agree to….
So are you part of the mentally substandard crowd who camps out here and argues against reality?? What your point??

“Agent Joel Wolfe said at last month’s Winter Meetings that Arenado was only open to trades to clubs where he felt he could win both in the short-term and for the remainder of his contract. It’s a bit odd that the Astros, who reached the playoffs in 2024 and reached the ALCS each season from 2017-23, didn’t fit that criteria, but there are surely multiple factors behind his decision.”
So here his agent says he has a LIST of clubs to be traded to…..but according to you he doesn’t want to be traded. So if like WC and Gray he has a full NTC, then why does only NA have A LIST OF CLUBS TO BE TRADED TO IF HE WANTS TO REMAIN IN STL???

Easy. To play Mo's little game, and teach Mo a lesson. (And a few idiot posters like you, as well.)

Did you ever stop and wonder why the only teams on the so-called list were teams who didn't need a 3B man, or team who could afford to add Arenado's salary?

[Goldfan]

Not an NA fan. They should have forced him into a trade. But here is the deal. None of us know what his attitude is or will be. He does not appear to be the leadership type but we don’t know that.

Did he refuse trades because his ego would only allow him to play for certain teams? Does he love St Louis so much he is willing to play his last good years for a mediocre team? Or is he approaching season with something to prove?

I’m hoping for the latter.

I was thinking he'd be traded sometime during ST. Running out of time for that, so it looks like he's going to be our starting 3B this year. This means he'll likely be traded (Julyish) to someone looking to bolster their lineup for a pennant run. With that in mind, his attitude should be good as he'll want his trade value to be as high as possible. If by some miracle the Cards are in the thick of it his attitude should be great. Ergo, I'm not worried about his attitude.

You don’t think him telling Mo he wants out and lobbying on social media all offseason might convey a great desire to not be here?

Never happened, liar.

What never happened?

Your bull[shirt] claim that Arenado went to Mo saying he wants out.

He told Mo to look for a trade…….what do you think the entire offseason was about? If he didn’t say he wanted to be traded then he would’ve been in the same boat as WC and Gray…….with absolutely no attempts to trade him or lists of teams he would agree to….
So are you part of the mentally substandard crowd who camps out here and argues against reality?? What your point??

You're a brain dead little troll, but I'll explain it to you anyway.

DeWitt wanted to get rid of every veteran making decent money.

They thought if they told them all it was a youth movement, the vets would want to leave.

They were 100% wrong.

Some told Mo they were staying. Arenado let Mo go through the motions I believe, as a reminder to DeWitt that they didn't keep their word after Mo flew to California to prevent Arenado from opting out.

Arenado holds all the leverage and power of the NTC, and despite saying publicly he and his family loved it in St Louis, Mo went ahead and insulted Arenado with the notion of a trade.

Arenado made Mo and a few forum posters look like fools, rightfully so.

As stated, Arenado's words mean something to him. He said his family loved St Louis and that’s exactly what he meant.

I frankly am glad he punked DeWitt and Mo into trying to trade him, knowing full well he would veto any trade talks that went beyond the preliminary talks. No talks did, and Arenado wasn't traded.

Do you write for Reality Shows? If he did all that then he truly is a head case and drama queen and will be everything I wrote in original posting

[Goldfan]

Not an NA fan. They should have forced him into a trade. But here is the deal. None of us know what his attitude is or will be. He does not appear to be the leadership type but we don’t know that.

Did he refuse trades because his ego would only allow him to play for certain teams? Does he love St Louis so much he is willing to play his last good years for a mediocre team? Or is he approaching season with something to prove?

I’m hoping for the latter.

I was thinking he'd be traded sometime during ST. Running out of time for that, so it looks like he's going to be our starting 3B this year. This means he'll likely be traded (Julyish) to someone looking to bolster their lineup for a pennant run. With that in mind, his attitude should be good as he'll want his trade value to be as high as possible. If by some miracle the Cards are in the thick of it his attitude should be great. Ergo, I'm not worried about his attitude.

You don’t think him telling Mo he wants out and lobbying on social media all offseason might convey a great desire to not be here?

Never happened, liar.

What never happened?

Your bull[shirt] claim that Arenado went to Mo saying he wants out.

He told Mo to look for a trade…….what do you think the entire offseason was about? If he didn’t say he wanted to be traded then he would’ve been in the same boat as WC and Gray…….with absolutely no attempts to trade him or lists of teams he would agree to….
So are you part of the mentally substandard crowd who camps out here and argues against reality?? What your point??

“Agent Joel Wolfe said at last month’s Winter Meetings that Arenado was only open to trades to clubs where he felt he could win both in the short-term and for the remainder of his contract. It’s a bit odd that the Astros, who reached the playoffs in 2024 and reached the ALCS each season from 2017-23, didn’t fit that criteria, but there are surely multiple factors behind his decision.”
So here his agent says he has a LIST of clubs to be traded to…..but according to you he doesn’t want to be traded. So if like WC and Gray he has a full NTC, then why does only NA have A LIST OF CLUBS TO BE TRADED TO IF HE WANTS TO REMAIN IN STL???

Easy. To play Mo's little game, and teach Mo a lesson. (And a few idiot posters like you, as well.)

Did you ever stop and wonder why the only teams on the so-called list were teams who didn't need a 3B man, or team who could afford to add Arenado's salary?

Because he wants to be in LA

[Melville]

Not an NA fan. They should have forced him into a trade. But here is the deal. None of us know what his attitude is or will be. He does not appear to be the leadership type but we don’t know that.

Did he refuse trades because his ego would only allow him to play for certain teams? Does he love St Louis so much he is willing to play his last good years for a mediocre team? Or is he approaching season with something to prove?

I’m hoping for the latter.

I was thinking he'd be traded sometime during ST. Running out of time for that, so it looks like he's going to be our starting 3B this year. This means he'll likely be traded (Julyish) to someone looking to bolster their lineup for a pennant run. With that in mind, his attitude should be good as he'll want his trade value to be as high as possible. If by some miracle the Cards are in the thick of it his attitude should be great. Ergo, I'm not worried about his attitude.

You don’t think him telling Mo he wants out and lobbying on social media all offseason might convey a great desire to not be here?

Never happened, liar.

What never happened?

Your bull[shirt] claim that Arenado went to Mo saying he wants out.

He told Mo to look for a trade…….what do you think the entire offseason was about? If he didn’t say he wanted to be traded then he would’ve been in the same boat as WC and Gray…….with absolutely no attempts to trade him or lists of teams he would agree to….
So are you part of the mentally substandard crowd who camps out here and argues against reality?? What your point??

“Agent Joel Wolfe said at last month’s Winter Meetings that Arenado was only open to trades to clubs where he felt he could win both in the short-term and for the remainder of his contract. It’s a bit odd that the Astros, who reached the playoffs in 2024 and reached the ALCS each season from 2017-23, didn’t fit that criteria, but there are surely multiple factors behind his decision.”
So here his agent says he has a LIST of clubs to be traded to…..but according to you he doesn’t want to be traded. So if like WC and Gray he has a full NTC, then why does only NA have A LIST OF CLUBS TO BE TRADED TO IF HE WANTS TO REMAIN IN STL???

Easy. To play Mo's little game, and teach Mo a lesson. (And a few idiot posters like you, as well.)

Did you ever stop and wonder why the only teams on the so-called list were teams who didn't need a 3B man, or team who could afford to add Arenado's salary?

Because he wants to be in LA

Where he can be surrounded by others who would do the heavy lifting of winning, while he escapes the burden of doing so - which is what he has been seeking his entire career.

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

Not an NA fan. They should have forced him into a trade. But here is the deal. None of us know what his attitude is or will be. He does not appear to be the leadership type but we don’t know that.

Did he refuse trades because his ego would only allow him to play for certain teams? Does he love St Louis so much he is willing to play his last good years for a mediocre team? Or is he approaching season with something to prove?

I’m hoping for the latter.

I was thinking he'd be traded sometime during ST. Running out of time for that, so it looks like he's going to be our starting 3B this year. This means he'll likely be traded (Julyish) to someone looking to bolster their lineup for a pennant run. With that in mind, his attitude should be good as he'll want his trade value to be as high as possible. If by some miracle the Cards are in the thick of it his attitude should be great. Ergo, I'm not worried about his attitude.

You don’t think him telling Mo he wants out and lobbying on social media all offseason might convey a great desire to not be here?

Never happened, liar.

What never happened?

Your bull[shirt] claim that Arenado went to Mo saying he wants out.

He told Mo to look for a trade…….what do you think the entire offseason was about? If he didn’t say he wanted to be traded then he would’ve been in the same boat as WC and Gray…….with absolutely no attempts to trade him or lists of teams he would agree to….
So are you part of the mentally substandard crowd who camps out here and argues against reality?? What your point??

“Agent Joel Wolfe said at last month’s Winter Meetings that Arenado was only open to trades to clubs where he felt he could win both in the short-term and for the remainder of his contract. It’s a bit odd that the Astros, who reached the playoffs in 2024 and reached the ALCS each season from 2017-23, didn’t fit that criteria, but there are surely multiple factors behind his decision.”
So here his agent says he has a LIST of clubs to be traded to…..but according to you he doesn’t want to be traded. So if like WC and Gray he has a full NTC, then why does only NA have A LIST OF CLUBS TO BE TRADED TO IF HE WANTS TO REMAIN IN STL???

Easy. To play Mo's little game, and teach Mo a lesson. (And a few idiot posters like you, as well.)

Did you ever stop and wonder why the only teams on the so-called list were teams who didn't need a 3B man, or team who couldn't afford to add Arenado's salary?

Because he wants to be in LA

Who can't afford to add Arenado's salary. Why do you think they had to defer $680 million of Ohtani's contract?

[Baseball Savant]

He wanted the Dodgers and they didn’t want him

End of story

[scoutyjones2]

Not an NA fan. They should have forced him into a trade. But here is the deal. None of us know what his attitude is or will be. He does not appear to be the leadership type but we don’t know that.

Did he refuse trades because his ego would only allow him to play for certain teams? Does he love St Louis so much he is willing to play his last good years for a mediocre team? Or is he approaching season with something to prove?

I’m hoping for the latter.

A good owner should never do that to a player who waived his NTC to come here. That is bad karma for signing any future big FAs. Loyalty needs to work both ways but it has to start at the top.

The difference is his performance has not been good and he is not clutch. Since it should go both ways how about he lower his salary in recognition of his lower performance.

Players are loyal to themselves and owners should be loyal to the organization. And as for future FA’s pay them and they will come.

As explained before, Arenado is a very serious man who is highly competitive. He is toughest on himself.

He and his family are happy in St Louis and at no time did Arenado initiate any discussion on leaving the Cardinals.

I'm certain he holds Mo and DeWitt responsible for keeping their word on any promises made when he had the options to opt-out.

It would be laughable if Nolan told Mo/DeWitt do what you think you need to do as far as any potential trade; KNOWING FULL WELL HE HELD 100% OF THE LEVERAGE AND POWER.

Make 10 deals Mo, they are all a waste of time when I veto whatever you want to do.

Which of course is why he was never traded.

Here is the simplest explanation as to why he wasn't traded...he sucks

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This dud being charged again with hitting cleanup will tell you all you need to know about this year's Cardinals.