Cards need to stop with excuses

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Re: Cards need to stop with excuses

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thetank2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 04:22 am
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2025 22:09 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: 16 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2025 17:46 pm The tradeable assets are Helsley and Fedde.

Can’t trade Mikolas and Matz if there is no market for them.
Cranny don’t you agree that if they told Miles he wasn’t going to be in the rotation that he would change his mind about his NTC?
Also, what I believe Cardly is saying, is that there are probably teams that would take Matz and Mikolas, but not at their full contact value. In order to trade them the Cardinals would have to be willing to eat a portion of that salary, and DeWitt simply won’t do that. He would rather keep them and block, better younger players! It’s as simple as that.
Mikolas had just about the worst ERA of any starter throughout MLB last season. There’s a good chance no team wants him.
His WHIP was 1.27. The Cards were 16-16 when he started.

He may have had the worst ERA but as should be pointed out it is easy to have the worst ERA if you get blown out a few games.
I love how people use advance metrics to suit their needs.
2nd highest batting average against in baseball each of the last two years. Only Patrick Corbin has saved him.

He had a worse than league average ERA in wins, and losses. And his ERA in ND’s was only slightly better than league average.

He has stunk. But he eats a lot of innings while stinking.

Also his 2nd half ERA was 5.76, opponents had an .834 OPS against him in the 2nd half.

He shouldn’t be in the opening day rotation but since he will be, he should be on a VERY short leash.
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Re: Cards need to stop with excuses

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Futuregm2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 09:39 am
thetank2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 04:22 am
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2025 22:09 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: 16 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2025 17:46 pm The tradeable assets are Helsley and Fedde.

Can’t trade Mikolas and Matz if there is no market for them.
Cranny don’t you agree that if they told Miles he wasn’t going to be in the rotation that he would change his mind about his NTC?
Also, what I believe Cardly is saying, is that there are probably teams that would take Matz and Mikolas, but not at their full contact value. In order to trade them the Cardinals would have to be willing to eat a portion of that salary, and DeWitt simply won’t do that. He would rather keep them and block, better younger players! It’s as simple as that.
Mikolas had just about the worst ERA of any starter throughout MLB last season. There’s a good chance no team wants him.
His WHIP was 1.27. The Cards were 16-16 when he started.

He may have had the worst ERA but as should be pointed out it is easy to have the worst ERA if you get blown out a few games.
I love how people use advance metrics to suit their needs.
2nd highest batting average against in baseball each of the last two years. Only Patrick Corbin has saved him.

He had a worse than league average ERA in wins, and losses. And his ERA in ND’s was only slightly better than league average.

He has stunk. But he eats a lot of innings while stinking.

Also his 2nd half ERA was 5.76, opponents had an .834 OPS against him in the 2nd half.

He shouldn’t be in the opening day rotation but since he will be, he should be on a VERY short leash.
And if the Cardinals win half his games...
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Re: Cards need to stop with excuses

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Futuregm2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 09:39 am
thetank2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 04:22 am
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2025 22:09 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: 16 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2025 17:46 pm The tradeable assets are Helsley and Fedde.

Can’t trade Mikolas and Matz if there is no market for them.
Cranny don’t you agree that if they told Miles he wasn’t going to be in the rotation that he would change his mind about his NTC?
Also, what I believe Cardly is saying, is that there are probably teams that would take Matz and Mikolas, but not at their full contact value. In order to trade them the Cardinals would have to be willing to eat a portion of that salary, and DeWitt simply won’t do that. He would rather keep them and block, better younger players! It’s as simple as that.
Mikolas had just about the worst ERA of any starter throughout MLB last season. There’s a good chance no team wants him.
His WHIP was 1.27. The Cards were 16-16 when he started.

He may have had the worst ERA but as should be pointed out it is easy to have the worst ERA if you get blown out a few games.
I love how people use advance metrics to suit their needs.
2nd highest batting average against in baseball each of the last two years. Only Patrick Corbin has saved him.

He had a worse than league average ERA in wins, and losses. And his ERA in ND’s was only slightly better than league average.

He has stunk. But he eats a lot of innings while stinking.

Also his 2nd half ERA was 5.76, opponents had an .834 OPS against him in the 2nd half.

He shouldn’t be in the opening day rotation but since he will be, he should be on a VERY short leash.
It seems like MM is blocking the next-man-up starter, who I guess is McGreevy. This assumes that AP makes the OD rotation. Is McG ready for a full-time MLB job? I’d say he is. The only answer is that the contract plays.
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Re: Cards need to stop with excuses

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thetank2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 09:44 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 09:39 am
thetank2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 04:22 am
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2025 22:09 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: 16 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2025 17:46 pm The tradeable assets are Helsley and Fedde.

Can’t trade Mikolas and Matz if there is no market for them.
Cranny don’t you agree that if they told Miles he wasn’t going to be in the rotation that he would change his mind about his NTC?
Also, what I believe Cardly is saying, is that there are probably teams that would take Matz and Mikolas, but not at their full contact value. In order to trade them the Cardinals would have to be willing to eat a portion of that salary, and DeWitt simply won’t do that. He would rather keep them and block, better younger players! It’s as simple as that.
Mikolas had just about the worst ERA of any starter throughout MLB last season. There’s a good chance no team wants him.
His WHIP was 1.27. The Cards were 16-16 when he started.

He may have had the worst ERA but as should be pointed out it is easy to have the worst ERA if you get blown out a few games.
I love how people use advance metrics to suit their needs.
2nd highest batting average against in baseball each of the last two years. Only Patrick Corbin has saved him.

He had a worse than league average ERA in wins, and losses. And his ERA in ND’s was only slightly better than league average.

He has stunk. But he eats a lot of innings while stinking.

Also his 2nd half ERA was 5.76, opponents had an .834 OPS against him in the 2nd half.

He shouldn’t be in the opening day rotation but since he will be, he should be on a VERY short leash.
And if the Cardinals win half his games...
Cardinals lost 14 games where they scored at least 5 runs last year. If you even cut that in half they are in the playoffs. 4 of those were games started by Mikolas.
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Re: Cards need to stop with excuses

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Cusecards wrote: 16 Mar 2025 17:37 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 16 Mar 2025 17:01 pm
Cardly wrote: 16 Mar 2025 13:29 pm Saying they couldn’t trade Arenado has nothing to do with Gorman being an unproductive bat. It also has nothing to do with they selecting Sinai over Scott3.

Just because their inept off season plan failed is no players fault. It is clearly the dense ability Mo and team have when it comes to working trades.

If they wanted Matz gone, he would be. If they wanted Miklas gone he would be. If they wanted Arenado gone he would be. If they wanted Scott here - he should be - he would.

They are horrible in roster construction and should clearly own it!!
Was VS2 optioned? Who is Scott3? Who is Sinai?
I don’t think VS2 was optioned?
I believe Scott3 is a toilet paper??
And all things considered I would give the edge to Sinai as being an entire peninsula could pay off in roster depth???
Over 600,000 people live in the Sinai....surely they could find at least one serviceable MLB OFer there.
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Re: Cards need to stop with excuses

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thetank2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 09:44 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 09:39 am
thetank2 wrote: 17 Mar 2025 04:22 am
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2025 22:09 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: 16 Mar 2025 21:34 pm
Cranny wrote: 16 Mar 2025 17:46 pm The tradeable assets are Helsley and Fedde.

Can’t trade Mikolas and Matz if there is no market for them.
Cranny don’t you agree that if they told Miles he wasn’t going to be in the rotation that he would change his mind about his NTC?
Also, what I believe Cardly is saying, is that there are probably teams that would take Matz and Mikolas, but not at their full contact value. In order to trade them the Cardinals would have to be willing to eat a portion of that salary, and DeWitt simply won’t do that. He would rather keep them and block, better younger players! It’s as simple as that.
Mikolas had just about the worst ERA of any starter throughout MLB last season. There’s a good chance no team wants him.
His WHIP was 1.27. The Cards were 16-16 when he started.

He may have had the worst ERA but as should be pointed out it is easy to have the worst ERA if you get blown out a few games.
I love how people use advance metrics to suit their needs.
2nd highest batting average against in baseball each of the last two years. Only Patrick Corbin has saved him.

He had a worse than league average ERA in wins, and losses. And his ERA in ND’s was only slightly better than league average.

He has stunk. But he eats a lot of innings while stinking.

Also his 2nd half ERA was 5.76, opponents had an .834 OPS against him in the 2nd half.

He shouldn’t be in the opening day rotation but since he will be, he should be on a VERY short leash.
And if the Cardinals win half his games...
They'll probably need a strong offense to do that. If they win a game 10-6 and he gives up 5 runs in the first 5 innings before being pulled, would that be a win for him?
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Re: Cards need to stop with excuses

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Cardly wrote: 16 Mar 2025 13:29 pm Cards need to stop with excuses
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Re: Cards need to stop with excuses

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Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2025 17:32 pm “We need to see what we have” :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
"We feel like we've addressed our needs"
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Re: Cards need to stop with excuses

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russellhammond wrote: 17 Mar 2025 09:50 am
Cusecards wrote: 16 Mar 2025 17:37 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 16 Mar 2025 17:01 pm
Cardly wrote: 16 Mar 2025 13:29 pm Saying they couldn’t trade Arenado has nothing to do with Gorman being an unproductive bat. It also has nothing to do with they selecting Sinai over Scott3.

Just because their inept off season plan failed is no players fault. It is clearly the dense ability Mo and team have when it comes to working trades.

If they wanted Matz gone, he would be. If they wanted Miklas gone he would be. If they wanted Arenado gone he would be. If they wanted Scott here - he should be - he would.

They are horrible in roster construction and should clearly own it!!
Was VS2 optioned? Who is Scott3? Who is Sinai?
I don’t think VS2 was optioned?
I believe Scott3 is a toilet paper??
And all things considered I would give the edge to Sinai as being an entire peninsula could pay off in roster depth???
Over 600,000 people live in the Sinai....surely they could find at least one serviceable MLB OFer there.
One would think they could???
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Re: Cards need to stop with excuses

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Goldfan wrote: 16 Mar 2025 17:32 pm “We need to see what we have” :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hey when they call up Quinn Mathews from AAA it can be just like a trade!
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