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Also I'll say that this is the most thought- and conversation-provoking series I've maybe ever seen. Feels like the first real event viewing since GOT.
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3dender wrote: ↑25 Jan 2025 13:53 pm We liked E2 but were not blown away. The only real reveal is thatSaw a Twitter clip that showed how the scene of them each going back down to the floor in turn was synced perfectly with the scene in E1 where Mark greets each of them on the severed floor. That kind of attention to detail in the direction and editing is pretty impressive.Spoiler
Mark (and Gemma?) is uniquely important to Lumon's project. Love seeing Burt back too.
Also I'll say that this is the most thought- and conversation-provoking series I've maybe ever seen. Feels like the first real event viewing since GOT.
I think I missed something. What exactly did we learn in episode 3? I was expecting it would end with
If your bar for episode excitement is what new info we learned, then we are watching with different goals. I'm watching to see the characters I really like figure stuff out. So from my perspective this is what happened that was exciting in the episode (the bolded pieces are "what exactly we learned" imo that would count toward your criteria):Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2025 23:42 pmI think I missed something. What exactly did we learn in episode 3? I was expecting it would end withSpoiler
Mark counting "38," but I guess that moment is going to have to wait a few episodes, while we flashback.
Nice take ! Some questions/obs :3dender wrote: ↑31 Jan 2025 07:30 amIf your bar for episode excitement is what new info we learned, then we are watching with different goals. I'm watching to see the characters I really like figure stuff out. So from my perspective this is what happened that was exciting in the episode (the bolded pieces are "what exactly we learned" imo that would count toward your criteria):Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2025 23:42 pmI think I missed something. What exactly did we learn in episode 3? I was expecting it would end withSpoiler
Mark counting "38," but I guess that moment is going to have to wait a few episodes, while we flashback.Also:Spoiler
Felicia tells Irving about "exports"
Milchick is dissatisfied, and Natalie arguably shares the sentiment
Natalie is trying to woo Ricken to Lumon's end
Dylan got to meet with his wife
Dylan's wife may be more attracted to innie than outie.
Helena wants to kill Cobel (who narrowly avoided it)
Mark/Helly discover an entire clan of goat people who seem like half-formed innies (all of them kidnapped/cloned like Gemma?)
Outie Mark still investigating the Gemma lead
The doctor is still keeping tabs on Mark
Mark discovers Gemma is alive
Mark immediately decides to reintegrate, setting up a fascinating triangle with him, his innie and Helly.
Episodes ends with an amazing sequence on him reintegrating, something we didn't think was going to happen until end of S2 at earliest
Leaves us wondering where they can possibly go from here.Spoiler
Not sure the significance of "38," per your post, or why we'd care about that after the whole timing scheme collapses by the end of the episode.
MikoTython wrote: ↑31 Jan 2025 15:42 pm Nice take ! Some questions/obs :
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What happened to so markedly change Milkshake's attitude ? Why do you think Natalie shares that sentiment ?
The mammals seemed to be concerned about a marsupial infiltration - wierd. Mark's adept mention of lost sheep turned that right around.
Arquette's over-the-top Cobel character rubs me the wrong way. Guess we'll find out her fixation w/ our hero, before/after they kill her off, hopefully but not probably soon.
Project Cold Harbor was mentioned, Mark seems to be central to it, probably Gemma as well. NOT Dylan & Irv, who were temp. sheet-canned.
Irving's prior (scalding) experience w/ the exports implies the innies have been jacked around in ways we have yet to understand, moved around in different 'departments', etc.
iDylan doesn't have the demoralization of oDylan. He's far more on-the-ball.
Those Ricken nuggets o' wisdom are hilarious.
If so, he already came in to the office hangdog. Did something occur earlier that I missed ? Must have because, otherwise, it doesn't make sense. I buy your take on Natalie, though. Nicely subtle.3dender wrote: ↑31 Jan 2025 15:50 pmMikoTython wrote: ↑31 Jan 2025 15:42 pm Nice take ! Some questions/obs :
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What happened to so markedly change Milkshake's attitude ? Why do you think Natalie shares that sentiment ?
The mammals seemed to be concerned about a marsupial infiltration - wierd. Mark's adept mention of lost sheep turned that right around.
Arquette's over-the-top Cobel character rubs me the wrong way. Guess we'll find out her fixation w/ our hero, before/after they kill her off, hopefully but not probably soon.
Project Cold Harbor was mentioned, Mark seems to be central to it, probably Gemma as well. NOT Dylan & Irv, who were temp. sheet-canned.
Irving's prior (scalding) experience w/ the exports implies the innies have been jacked around in ways we have yet to understand, moved around in different 'departments', etc.
iDylan doesn't have the demoralization of oDylan. He's far more on-the-ball.
Those Ricken nuggets o' wisdom are hilarious.Spoiler
For Milchick and Natalie I think it's race. Seeing familiar paintings with himself inserted into them, he realized that no matter how much he idolized Kier he'd never be fully accepted by the family/Board. I read Natalie's reaction as her commiserating with him but reminding him that he has to keep up appearances.
And yes, there was plenty of evidence in S2E1 that Mark S and ONLY Mark S is vital to whatever the "Cold Harbor" project is, which also seems to involve Gemma.
Before he gets to the office he encounters Mark's deflated balloons from the previous ep, which I took as reminding him that he still doesn't have MDR under control.MikoTython wrote: ↑31 Jan 2025 15:56 pmIf so, he already came in to the office hangdog. Did something occur earlier that I missed ? Must have because, otherwise, it doesn't make sense. I buy your take on Natalie, though. Nicely subtle.3dender wrote: ↑31 Jan 2025 15:50 pmMikoTython wrote: ↑31 Jan 2025 15:42 pm Nice take ! Some questions/obs :
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What happened to so markedly change Milkshake's attitude ? Why do you think Natalie shares that sentiment ?
The mammals seemed to be concerned about a marsupial infiltration - wierd. Mark's adept mention of lost sheep turned that right around.
Arquette's over-the-top Cobel character rubs me the wrong way. Guess we'll find out her fixation w/ our hero, before/after they kill her off, hopefully but not probably soon.
Project Cold Harbor was mentioned, Mark seems to be central to it, probably Gemma as well. NOT Dylan & Irv, who were temp. sheet-canned.
Irving's prior (scalding) experience w/ the exports implies the innies have been jacked around in ways we have yet to understand, moved around in different 'departments', etc.
iDylan doesn't have the demoralization of oDylan. He's far more on-the-ball.
Those Ricken nuggets o' wisdom are hilarious.Spoiler
For Milchick and Natalie I think it's race. Seeing familiar paintings with himself inserted into them, he realized that no matter how much he idolized Kier he'd never be fully accepted by the family/Board. I read Natalie's reaction as her commiserating with him but reminding him that he has to keep up appearances.
And yes, there was plenty of evidence in S2E1 that Mark S and ONLY Mark S is vital to whatever the "Cold Harbor" project is, which also seems to involve Gemma.
Regarding Cold Harbor, one of the theories on the Internet is:MikoTython wrote: ↑31 Jan 2025 15:42 pmNice take ! Some questions/obs :3dender wrote: ↑31 Jan 2025 07:30 amIf your bar for episode excitement is what new info we learned, then we are watching with different goals. I'm watching to see the characters I really like figure stuff out. So from my perspective this is what happened that was exciting in the episode (the bolded pieces are "what exactly we learned" imo that would count toward your criteria):Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2025 23:42 pmI think I missed something. What exactly did we learn in episode 3? I was expecting it would end withSpoiler
Mark counting "38," but I guess that moment is going to have to wait a few episodes, while we flashback.Also:Spoiler
Felicia tells Irving about "exports"
Milchick is dissatisfied, and Natalie arguably shares the sentiment
Natalie is trying to woo Ricken to Lumon's end
Dylan got to meet with his wife
Dylan's wife may be more attracted to innie than outie.
Helena wants to kill Cobel (who narrowly avoided it)
Mark/Helly discover an entire clan of goat people who seem like half-formed innies (all of them kidnapped/cloned like Gemma?)
Outie Mark still investigating the Gemma lead
The doctor is still keeping tabs on Mark
Mark discovers Gemma is alive
Mark immediately decides to reintegrate, setting up a fascinating triangle with him, his innie and Helly.
Episodes ends with an amazing sequence on him reintegrating, something we didn't think was going to happen until end of S2 at earliest
Leaves us wondering where they can possibly go from here.Spoiler
Not sure the significance of "38," per your post, or why we'd care about that after the whole timing scheme collapses by the end of the episode.Spoiler
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What happened to so markedly change Milkshake's attitude ? Why do you think Natalie shares that sentiment ?
The mammals seemed to be concerned about a marsupial infiltration - wierd. Mark's adept mention of lost sheep turned that right around.
Arquette's over-the-top Cobel character rubs me the wrong way. Guess we'll find out her fixation w/ our hero, before/after they kill her off, hopefully but not probably soon.
Project Cold Harbor was mentioned, Mark seems to be central to it, probably Gemma as well. NOT Dylan & Irv, who were temp. sheet-canned.
Irving's prior (scalding) experience w/ the exports implies the innies have been jacked around in ways we have yet to understand, moved around in different 'departments', etc.
iDylan doesn't have the demoralization of oDylan. He's far more on-the-ball.
Those Ricken nuggets o' wisdom are hilarious.
'You Have To Let The Show Surprise You'
Erickson assured fans he has a definitive ending for the show. "I have an end point," he confirmed. "I have elements that I want to hit along the way, but it's more of connecting the dots thing than it is a strict road map." There's plenty of leeway for improvisation, however. Season 1's Music/Dance Experience was not in the original script and the cast performed that on the fly. "You have to let the show be alive, and you have to let the show surprise you," he added. Sometimes the show decides which way we're going to go, because all of a sudden you see a performance, or you see a detail that you didn't expect to fall in love with, but you do… We have to see where that goes."
She was also on the Walking Dead for about a season and a half.Definitely cool to see Merritt Wever join the cast. I had to rack my brain to remember where I’d seen her, but I knew it was a performance and character that had an impact with me. It was from Nurse Jackie.